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24829 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 0:18am
Subject: RE: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
Joey,
Discount will beat those MT/R prices for sure. For a solid deal try Sears. They will match Discount's price but where you really save with them is their cheaper pricing on mounting and balancing.
Scott
Joey K wrote:
I am thinkin' it is high too. Especially for Big O house brand tires.
Actually in the quote there are a couple of items that add to the price but
not significantly.
Big O
Big Foot MT 33x12.50R15 177.99 (too high) each w/warranty. The white wagon
wheels are 35.00 (acceptable but on the high side) each. labor is 17.50
total.
Goodyear Auto Service Center
Wrangle MT/R 33x12.50R15 170.00 each w/out warrenty. Warranty 22.74 each
tire. same wheels 34.99. Oh and add 10.73 labor each tire (unacceptablly
high) NOTE: quality tire.
Discount
Have not got there yet.
I would add that the wheel locks are a necessary evil for piece of mind.
Those added seconds and fumbling by a would be thief could be the difference
between tires or no tires.
I definitly will be shopping for a better deal.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@yahoo.com [mailto:jeepindog@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
>
>
> You should definitely look into tires from
> 4WheelPartsWholesalers. I got my tires there, and recommend them.
> There prices are WAY better than the one you quoted. $1200 for steel
> wheels and only 33" tires? Good God! I hope that comes with 6
> months of free gasoline!!!
>
> Lachlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., linda luik wrote:
> > > I went through 4 33x9.50 MTs in a year. I have never sliced the
> > > 285/75r16 MTs (which are slightly wider than the 9.50s). So go
> > figure.
> > >
> > > Don't waste your time on the wheel locks. I bought a set for my
> > > expensive Al alloy wheels and all they did was get in the way. If
> > you
> > > want wheel locks you can have my old set. I think I still have
> > them.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > > Joey K wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All/Anyone
> > > > I am looking at getting some new shoes for the Jeep. White Wagon
> > > > Wheels and Mud Terrains. 33x12.50R15.
> > > > Big O quoted me around $1,200 for a set of 5 Big O MT's. That
> > includes
> > > > road hazard, balancing, stems etc. and a set of wheel locks.
> > > > Changing a sliced Big O tire no questions and no money.
> > > >
> > > > Or should I go with the BFG MT's for about $170 dollars more.
> > (With
> > > > same warranty).
> > > > The difference being I will have to buy a new warranty every
> flat.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone got some suggestions or a better deal?
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > > 93YJ
> > > > www.desertjeep.com
> > > >
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> > Service.
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24830 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 0:28am
Subject: RE: body lift vs spacer lift
At 2.5" you are probably getting by without a slip yoke eliminator and CV driveshaft. If you add spacers and bump into the 3.5" range you would probably need to start thinking about doing that or a 1" motor mount lift to eliminate the vibes.
I'd suggest that you consider doing both a 1" motor mount lift and a 1" body lift together. If you do have your tcase spaced down from the 2.5" lift there is a good chance that with the improved driveline angle from the motor mount lift that you can remove the tcase spacers too. Also with the combo there is no need to worry about the fan shroud. Sometimes you need to use the linkage drop down bracket with the 1" body lift and on some TJ's you don't. If you go with a kit from Performance Accessories you will get everything you need including radiator dropdown brackets which you won't need. I also recommend the Challenger 1" motor mounts. I've installed the Challengers in 2 different TJ's and the fit was perfect on both. You can order both of these with the AZVJC discount from www.macromotive.com It shouldn't be more than $160 for both.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
The major differnce is that one lifts the frame (and thus everything
attached to it) while the other only lifts the body.
When you lift your frame, other things can be affected....shocks, steering,
alignment, drive shaft angles, etc. Granted, a 3/4" spacer lift shouldn't
cause much of a probelm....maybe vibes, maybe not. A spacer lift will raise
your center of gravity more than will a body lift, since more things go
higher.
The 1" body lift....about all you have to worry about is the fan shroud and
maybe t-case shift linkage. Some folks find they need to cut a little of
the tub away around the tranny shifter....sometimes it makes contact with
the metal and won't let you get into gear (usually 2 and/or 4th).
Others probably have some other ideas.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 5:05 PM
To: AZ VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] body lift vs spacer lift
I have a 2.5 lift now and I want a little more height,
but I cant decide if I should go with a 3/4 in spacer
lift or a 1 in body. I would love to be enlightened
to the pro's and con's of each route.
Thanks, FRZ
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24831 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 0:35am
Subject: RE: body lift vs spacer lift
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention one more bonus of installing the MM/bodylift combo. The 1" MM lift will raise the oil pan an inch higher and moves it almost up into the framerails. This helps keep it off the rocks.
Scott
Scott Kruize wrote:
At 2.5" you are probably getting by without a slip yoke eliminator and CV driveshaft. If you add spacers and bump into the 3.5" range you would probably need to start thinking about doing that or a 1" motor mount lift to eliminate the vibes.
I'd suggest that you consider doing both a 1" motor mount lift and a 1" body lift together. If you do have your tcase spaced down from the 2.5" lift there is a good chance that with the improved driveline angle from the motor mount lift that you can remove the tcase spacers too. Also with the combo there is no need to worry about the fan shroud. Sometimes you need to use the linkage drop down bracket with the 1" body lift and on some TJ's you don't. If you go with a kit from Performance Accessories you will get everything you need including radiator dropdown brackets which you won't need. I also recommend the Challenger 1" motor mounts. I've installed the Challengers in 2 different TJ's and the fit was perfect on both. You can order both of these with the AZVJC discount from www.macromotive.com It shouldn't be more than $160 for both.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
The major differnce is that one lifts the frame (and thus everything
attached to it) while the other only lifts the body.
When you lift your frame, other things can be affected....shocks, steering,
alignment, drive shaft angles, etc. Granted, a 3/4" spacer lift shouldn't
cause much of a probelm....maybe vibes, maybe not. A spacer lift will raise
your center of gravity more than will a body lift, since more things go
higher.
The 1" body lift....about all you have to worry about is the fan shroud and
maybe t-case shift linkage. Some folks find they need to cut a little of
the tub away around the tranny shifter....sometimes it makes contact with
the metal and won't let you get into gear (usually 2 and/or 4th).
Others probably have some other ideas.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 5:05 PM
To: AZ VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] body lift vs spacer lift
I have a 2.5 lift now and I want a little more height,
but I cant decide if I should go with a 3/4 in spacer
lift or a 1 in body. I would love to be enlightened
to the pro's and con's of each route.
Thanks, FRZ
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24832 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 1:00am
Subject: TR: GILA MONSTER
Hey gang..
Gila Monster 3+ to 4+ depending on lines...
June 9th, 6am Circle K on Jackrabbit trail.
I10 west to Jackrabbit trail. South on Jackrabbit
trail 1/2 mile. Pulling out of Circle K at 6:30am sharp.. Trail head
by 7am
See website for some pix of the trail...
Http://Arizonaxj.rockcrawler.com
Dave
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24833 From: Templar <templar1@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 0:04am
Subject: RE: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
I second that comment to talk to Rick at Discount - I recently purchased 5
35" MTRs and 5 Centerlines from him - he treated me right and had the best
prices around as well. If you decide to get a quote make sure you let him
know your from VJC.
-Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:35 PM
To: Joey K; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
You might want to give RICK BEER [RIKNAZ@m...] an e-mail.....he is a VJC
member too. He works at the Discount Tire up on Bell Road on the west side
of town.
He got me great pricing on my 35" MT/Rs (significantly less than the 33" B/O
tires referenced below).
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joey K [mailto:joey@j...]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:08 PM
To: jeepindog@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
I am thinkin' it is high too. Especially for Big O house brand tires.
Actually in the quote there are a couple of items that add to the price but
not significantly.
Big O
Big Foot MT 33x12.50R15 177.99 (too high) each w/warranty. The white wagon
wheels are 35.00 (acceptable but on the high side) each. labor is 17.50
total.
Goodyear Auto Service Center
Wrangle MT/R 33x12.50R15 170.00 each w/out warrenty. Warranty 22.74 each
tire. same wheels 34.99. Oh and add 10.73 labor each tire (unacceptablly
high) NOTE: quality tire.
Discount
Have not got there yet.
I would add that the wheel locks are a necessary evil for piece of mind.
Those added seconds and fumbling by a would be thief could be the difference
between tires or no tires.
I definitly will be shopping for a better deal.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
>
>
> You should definitely look into tires from
> 4WheelPartsWholesalers. I got my tires there, and recommend them.
> There prices are WAY better than the one you quoted. $1200 for steel
> wheels and only 33" tires? Good God! I hope that comes with 6
> months of free gasoline!!!
>
> Lachlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., linda luik <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> > > I went through 4 33x9.50 MTs in a year. I have never sliced the
> > > 285/75r16 MTs (which are slightly wider than the 9.50s). So go
> > figure.
> > >
> > > Don't waste your time on the wheel locks. I bought a set for my
> > > expensive Al alloy wheels and all they did was get in the way. If
> > you
> > > want wheel locks you can have my old set. I think I still have
> > them.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > > Joey K wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All/Anyone
> > > > I am looking at getting some new shoes for the Jeep. White Wagon
> > > > Wheels and Mud Terrains. 33x12.50R15.
> > > > Big O quoted me around $1,200 for a set of 5 Big O MT's. That
> > includes
> > > > road hazard, balancing, stems etc. and a set of wheel locks.
> > > > Changing a sliced Big O tire no questions and no money.
> > > >
> > > > Or should I go with the BFG MT's for about $170 dollars more.
> > (With
> > > > same warranty).
> > > > The difference being I will have to buy a new warranty every
> flat.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone got some suggestions or a better deal?
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > > 93YJ
> > > > www.desertjeep.com
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > Service.
>
>
>
>
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24834 From: <nickcarrie@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 3:00am
Subject: 94',Y.J. For Sale
My friend is jumping on the band wagon again...He wants to sell his
y.j. and buy a rail, and boat.
Here are the details, recently tuned inline six, with 90k. 5 speed,
a/c, just serviced for summer. Borla, header, Gibson cat-back
exhaust. 4" pro-comp spring lift, with 3/4 elliptical springs in
rear, 2" body lift. 3/4" grade 8 shackles. Brand New 33" bfg mudd
terrains, on new crome steel 15x7.5" wheels, with warranties. Lock-
rite in front, limited slip in rear. new dana 35 axels, 30/35 diffs.
411 gears, big brake conversion for front disc's. Warn 8000lbs winch
on stubby bumper, with d-rings, and hi-lift jack. k&n filter. rear
bumber with class III hitch. Exterior is dark Green, new spice soft
top with tint, spice int. with cloth seats. Spice tuffy center
console, with protective stereo, and c.b. mount. $200.00 new cobra
c.b.,4' carbon fiber antenna; $300.00, kenwood cd; kenwood speakers
behind seat in seperate boxes. Loud air hornes under the hood,
clifford car alarm and spice carpet.
This jeep is just a barbie jeep, JUST FOR LOOKS, is has literally
been off road 4 times, on trails rated 2, you know improved dirt
roads. Its a great running jeep, and looks sweet.
He is looking to get around 10,500 for it. so spread the word or give
him a call to check it out. His name is Spencer, he lives in Tempe
around Warner and Rural, his number is 480-897-1402. Or just e-mail
me and I will relay the message. We will get some pics. if you want
them. Thanks,
Nick L. trying to sell my 93 yj soa (6500)
24835 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 4:50am
Subject: Fwd: Driving Force - June 2001, Email Edition
very useful legislation information.
Dave
Below is the June 2001 email edition of the Specialty Equipment Market
Association's (SEMA) "Driving Force" newsletter. As always, feel free
toreprint any or all of the information contained within it. All we ask is
for attribution if you choose to do so. If you need any additional
background, please do not hesitate to contact us.
If you do not wish to receive any future editions of the email Driving
Brian Caudill, Editor
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Scrappage: Smashing Success . . . We Don’t Think So!
It seems our friends at the California Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR)
are very proud of their efforts as of late.
In their newsletter, (Smog Check Advisory, March/April 2000 edition), there
is an article on the front page touting the supreme goodness of their
scrappage program. They even go so far as to call it a “smashing success.”
How clever of them.
To put what BAR is doing into perspective, 2,778 vehicles were crushed in
February. Almost 1,600 were crushed the month before that. Who knows how
many future classics and rare parts sources were lost in those 2 months
alone?
BAR was even gracious enough to provide a picture of them crushing a 1985
Cadillac Eldorado in a recent Dog and Pony Show they conducted. Driving
Force understands that 1985 Cadillacs aren’t exactly hemi ’Cudas, but then
again, if we really knew what cars were destined to become classics, there
wouldn’t be so many stories about guys and gals selling their 428 Cobra Jet
Mach One ’Stangs because they were tired of tinkering with the carburetor
all the time.
Some of you may be wondering why such a late-model car would be eligible to
be scrapped? It’s actually quite easy to qualify for California’s program,
and if you do, the BAR will fork over $1,000 for your vehicle. What’s
noteworthy about that figure is that if you participate in BAR’s Consumer
Assistance Program which is supposed to help cover the cost of repairs to
bring a vehicle into compliance, the most they will give you is $500, and
that’s if you even qualify for the program based on your income. However,
anyone can scrap his or her qualifying car, regardless of economic status.
This disparity leaves little doubt as to the agency’s ultimate goal.
BAR says that it is providing a great service to the community by getting
so many “polluting” vehicles off the road. However, there’s no test
conducted to measure just how much pollution these cars are producing and no
way to be certain that they are even driven on a regular basis. It’s quite
possible that vehicles are being scrapped when $50 worth of work could have
brought them into compliance.
BAR also touts how scrapped vehicles are recycled and sent off to
manufacturing facilities to be used in new products. While many folks not
involved with the hobby might think that this is a great system, collectors
and restorers know that once you crush a car, you’ve lost a valuable source
of parts for other vehicles. In fact, the BAR not only prohibits parting out
cars that have been surrendered to the program; it also sends state
inspectors to audit dismantler sites just to make sure nothing is salvaged.
So if some unenlightened motorist happens to take Grandpa’s old, black Buick
in to collect his $1,000, there’s no hope that someone is going to recognize
that it’s a Grand National and save it from a most unbecoming end. The car
is going to be reduced to brick-sized pieces before the guy even gets to the
bank and cashes the check.
If you’re interested in what the California BAR has to say about their
program, you can check out their web site at: www.smogcheck.ca.gov. If you’
re interested in BAR’s Smog Check newsletter, it can be accessed at
www.smogcheck.ca.gov/smogweb/ftp/scapdf/sca0301.pdf.
California Bill Calls for Destruction of Pre-1970 Cars
A bill (A.B. 1390) has been introduced in the California legislature that
would allow automobile manufacturers to crush pre-1970 vehicles in exchange
for credits toward their obligations under the state’s Zero Emission Vehicle
(ZEV) program. The owners who surrender their vehicles would receive a
voucher of at least $2,500 for the purchase of a new or used vehicle.
This legislation would essentially create a “back-door” scrappage plan
alarmingly aimed directly at crushing muscle-car era and earlier vehicles.
There are a number of glaring problems with this legislation.
At a minimum, A.B. 1390 allows auto manufacturers to create markets for
their new cars at the expense of automotive hobbyists. At the same time, the
bill is self-defeating because lower-income car owners cannot reasonably
afford to purchase new — or even newer — used vehicles with the limited
money this program would provide.
The bill also neglects to set up a program to verify emissions reductions
from destroyed vehicles, so it will never be clear if such a program helps
clean the air or not! Further, A.B. 1390 fails to recognize that pre-1970
cars are typically second or third vehicles rarely driven in the first place
and makes no provisions for rescuing valuable parts and parts-cars for
repair and restoration projects. SEMA has said it many times before: Crush
old cars and watch the restoration market die off and parts prices
skyrocket, turning an accessible and fun hobby into the sole playground of
the affluent.
SEMA-member companies, the popular press and SEMA Action Network contacts
in California, including the Beach Cities Mustang Club, Mopar Alley and the
Golden West Chevelle and El Camino Club, have all been alerted to this bill.
We are pleased with and hopeful that the sizable amount of letters, faxes
and e-mails pouring into the legislature from enthusiasts will stop this
bill before it moves any further.
Massachusetts Legislation Bans the Sale/Installation of Custom Exhaust
Systems
A bill (H.B. 3593) has passed the Massachusetts Legislature’s Joint
Committee on Public Safety that would prohibit the sale or installation of
“an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or
increase the noise emitted by the exhaust.” This bill could soon be voted on
by the full House of Representatives.
This legislation was introduced by a well-meaning Massachusetts legislator
who somehow came to the conclusion that the throatier sound of performance
exhaust systems has some sort of correlation to car-related gang activity.
Not knowing the particulars of this legislator’s home or district, SEMA
cannot comment on the level of gang activity and whether this is a problem
that needs addressing or not. However, at a minimum, we find the notion that
exhaust noise and gang activity are intertwined questionable. At a maximum,
we find the assertion ludicrous and dangerous in that it stereotypes
custom-car enthusiasts as hoodlums.
The facts on H.B. 3593 are clear: First and foremost, the bill ignores the
fact that aftermarket exhaust systems are designed to increase performance,
making vehicles run more efficiently without increasing emissions. Second,
H.B. 3593 would make it difficult for hobbyists to replace factory exhaust
systems with more durable and better-looking stainless steel ones. Finally,
H.B. 3593 does not supply law enforcement officials with a clear standard to
enforce, allowing them to make subjective judgments on whether or not a
modified exhaust system is in violation.
“Decidedly non-hoodlum” SEMA Action Network members in Massachusetts such
as the upstanding Bearing Burners Car Club, the above-board Dominators Car
Club, and the pillar-of-the-community Massachusetts Cruisers Auto Club, have
been contacted about this legislation and have all registered concerns with
the legislature. On a serious note, SEMA is proud of their participation in
this effort and is hopeful that through our combined efforts we will be able
to kill this ill-reasoned and harmful legislation.
What’s The Deal with Street Rods in Pennsylvania?
Thanks to a number of our SEMA Action Network contacts in Pennsylvania, we
were recently made aware of a situation concerning the street rod community.
Many folks were attempting to register their vehicles and were shocked when
they did not pass the street rod safety inspection. We looked into the
matter and were surprised at what we discovered.
We went online and studied the Pennsylvania Street Rod inspection criteria
and learned that it hasn’t changed over the last 20 years. At this point, we
were a little perplexed, so we called Tom Zamboni, manager of the Special
Services Unit at the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation (PennDOT),
who confirmed that the regulations have not changed at all. What has changed
is that inspectors are enforcing standards much more strictly than they have
in the past. Vehicles are being failed for violations such as shaded glass,
inadequate fender
coverage and non-approved fuel cells. However, Zamboni said that he was
unaware of any directive for police to step up enforcement on the street.
Why PennDOT has chosen to follow the inspection criteria so closely after
20 years of lax enforcement is unclear, but there is no denying that they
are and it looks like they will continue to do so. Many Pennsylvania street
rodders, including some SEMA Action Network members, have begun work on
drafting more hobbyist-friendly legislation. Zamboni and PennDOT also remain
open to discussing policy issues regarding street rod regulations. We are
hopeful that a resolution to this problem can be found in the near future.
If you live in Pennsylvania and are currently building or plan to build a
street rod, Zamboni recommends that you pay close attention to the
inspection manual. It can be accessed at: www.pacode.com/secure/data/067/
chapter175/subchapKtoc.html, or you can purchase a copy at the Department of
Motor Vehicles for a nominal fee.
Driving Force would like to recognize Mike Kramer, Joe Paplosky and the
many SEMA Action Network
members in Pennsylvania for keeping us informed about this situation and for
working to find a solution. Also,
we want to commend Zamboni at PennDOT for his willingness to speak with our
members while keeping an open mind.
Driving Force Wants to Hear Your Automotive-Related “Horror Stories”
More and more, SEMA hears about people being “turned in” to authorities
because they violated the law by changing their oil in the driveway rather
than at the local gas station or because a nosy neighbor peered over their
privacy fence and reported them to zoning officials for having a project car
in their backyard.
Other folks point to being pulled over (and sometimes ticketed) for silly
reasons, including, but not
limited to, the following: Street rodders pulled over for “unsafe” blue-dot
taillights or for having “non-stock” parts on customized vehicles.
Antique-car owners ticketed for not wearing seatbelts when the car was never
originally equipped with them. Import-performance rides pulled over and
cited because they simply have a modified exhaust or it “sounds too loud.”
Lowriders ticketed for using hydraulics at a designated car show (not while
driving). Lifted 4x4 owners pulled over and cited because, “Man, that thing
is just TOO tall.” Garage owners who were forced out of business because of
overzealous government regulation.
The automotive hobby, from street rods to lifted 4x4’s and every vehicle
type in-between, is subject to a nationwide hodge-podge of silly laws, weird
regulations and chaotic enforcement . And it seems everybody has a story to
tell about their experiences.
We want to hear these stories!
Write to SEMA with your experiences, tales of woe, accounts of silliness
and narratives of the bizarre. We’ll do our part by publishing them in a
semi-regular column in Driving Force called “Can You Believe?!”
Perhaps by publicizing the ridiculous lengths the government will go
through to harass, restrict and
confuse hobbyists, we can inject a little common sense into how vehicle laws
(and vehicle hobbyist laws) are developed and enforced.
Submit stories, pictures, documentary evidence, etc. to “Can You
Believe?!,” Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA),1317 F Street,
NW, Suite 500, Washington, D.C., 20004; fax: 202/783-6024; e-mail:
brianc@s....
Hey, Is That My Car?! Driving Force Needs Your Pictures
While we'll never run out of legislation to fight, we are short of pictures
to accompany our stories!
In order to replenish our photo library and to continue publishing a
visually appealing newsletter, we are asking for your photos or access to
your website’s photo archives. We need restoration process pictures,
junkyard pictures, street rod pictures, antique/classic pictures, import
performance pictures and lifted 4x4 pictures. Send us photos of your trail
ride, rod run, car show, charity event, drag race.... Hell, send us the
pictures you took from your last fender bender or breakdown; we can use
those, too!
Submit photos to: SEMA,1575 south Valley Vista Drive, Diamond Bar, CA. You
can send high-resolution e-mail pictures to jasonc@s.... While we regret
that we cannot return any picture to you, take heart that next time we do a
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as the example.
Newly Introduced Legislation
Note: The following state bills are not laws. They have been recently
introduced and are currently being considered for adoption by the respective
state legislatures.
Emissions
California: A.B. 1560 would increase the penalties for crimes relating to
vehicle emissions inspections.
Colorado: S.B. 242/H.B. 1402 would allow the Clean Screen emissions
inspection contract to be extended for two additional years.
Missouri: H.B. 985 would establish a complaint procedure for owners of
vehicles that had been damaged during emissions inspections.
Nevada: A.B. 657 would make provisions for establishing air pollution
control programs, including inspection and maintenance programs for motor
vehicles.
North Carolina: H.B. 1175 would change the motor vehicle emissions
inspection exemption from vehicles manufactured in 1975 or earlier to
vehicles 25 years old or older.
Ohio: H.B. 232 would prohibit emissions inspections from including nitrous
oxide tests unless the E.P.A. mandated it.
Pennsylvania: H.B. 1343 would prohibit the state from entering into a new
emissions inspection management program contract until the E.P.A. finalized
its regulations governing on-board diagnostic systems.
Pennsylvania: H.B. 1511 would eliminate the emissions inspection program
until the E.P.A.’s particulate emissions standards for heavy-duty engines
and vehicles took effect.
Registration and Plates
Alaska: H.B. 265 would provide that motor vehicles display only one
registration plate on the rear of the vehicle.
Louisiana: S.B. 1044 would provide for a one-time registration fee of $25
for antique motor vehicles.
Nevada: A.B. 643 would provide for a special registration classification for
antique trucks and truck-tractors.
South Carolina: H.B. 3272 would provide for NASCAR license plates.
Miscellaneous
Massachusetts: H.B. 3649 would provide that the excise tax rate for new
motor vehicles be determined by fuel efficiency.
North Carolina: H.B. 1213 would provide rebates and grants for the purchase
of alternate fuel vehicles.
North Carolina: H.B. 1333 would require that motor vehicles have
windshields and operating windows on the driver’s door.
Wisconsin: A.B. 363 would require drivers to burn headlamps when traveling
on the highway.
JUNE SAN CLUB EVENTS
CALIFORNIA
• June 23, Sacramento—8th annual Mopar Day at the Park
Sponsor: Capital City Mopar
Information: 916/631-0297
• June 24, Anaheim—25th annual ’40 Ford Day
Sponsor: Forties Limited
Information: 714/968-6440
COLORADO
• June 22-24, Pueblo—17th annual NSRA Rocky Mountain Street Rod Nationals
Sponsor: National Street Rod Association
Information: 505/763-5771
ILLINOIS
• June 17-23, Bloomington—15th annual Solid Axle Corvette National
Convention
Sponsor: Solid Axle Corvette Club
Information: 217/457-2555
• June 30, Downers Grove—Chicagoland Buick Club Road Rally
Sponsor: Chicagoland Buick Club
Information: 630/852-0056
IOWA
• June 3, Marion—20th annual Chevy and Chevy Powered Car Show
Sponsor: Hawkeye Area Classic Chevy Club
Information: 319/622-3293
KENTUCKY
• June 27-29, Louisville—22nd annual National Cosworth Vega Owners
Association Roundup
Sponsor: Cosworth Vega Owners Association
Information: 812/294-4836
MINNESOTA
• June 22-24, St. Paul—28th annual MSRA’64 & Older Rods and Customs Show
Sponsor: Minnesota Street Rod Association
Information: 651/641-1992
NEW YORK
• June 9-10, Greece—27th annual Outdoor Car Show
Sponsor: The Street Machines of Rochester
Information: 716/663-0393
OHIO
• June 9, McConnelsville—16th Annual “CRUISE-IN”
Sponsor: Y-City Customs & M&M Jaycees
Information: 740/982-4213
PENNSYLVANIA
• June 16, Mt. Lebanon—6th annual Classic Car Show
Sponsor: Oakland Club International, Western PA Chapter
Information: 412/833-1441
WISCONSIN
• June 15-17, Warrens—Wizards of Rods Car Show
Sponsor: Wizards of Rods
Information: 608/985-8040
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24836 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:40am
Subject: Way,Way, out west residents....
If you live on the far west side (Avondale/Goodyear/Buckeye area) and want
to do some exploring this thursday evening like 6pm or so.
Give me a hollar at home.
Dave
623-327-1486
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24837 From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda <zepeda199@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:05am
Subject: RE: body lift vs spacer lift
Thanks for all the great info. I think now I'm
definetly leaning more towards the body lift side with
the motor mount lift also. Thanks again
FRZ
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24838 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:51am
Subject: LU: OHV PR Campaign
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: OHV PR Campaign
Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:57:26 -0700
From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
Reply-To: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
To: Outdoor Enthusiasts <:>
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
Arizona State Parks has launched a public relations campaign to
encourage responsible use of OHVs.
Here is a related link:
Arizona launches off-road vehicle campaign
http://arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0602trails02.html
The media still does not get the importance of using the term
off-highway vs. 'off-road' vehicle. Further, they cannot resist the
impulse to sensationalize issues (e.g. the opening sentence claiming
that this is an "uphill battle").
There will be two live radio interviews tomorrow (Tuesday, June 5), 1)
8:10 a.m. on KXAM 1310 AM (10 minutes) and 2) 9:30 a.m. on KMLE FM 107.9
(30 minutes).
24839 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:40am
Subject: RE: Re: Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
Very true but most hard core wheels have already done something about the
Dana 30. I have seen lots of jeeps with very big tires, lots of HP and
torque still running the puny stock front drive shaft. On inspection of the
front drive shaft you will find every one of them will be twisted.
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:55 AM
To: Siade, Randy
Cc: 'jal@c...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
The same applies to the axles and I'd be more concerned about the front
axle u-joints (assuming a CJ Dana 30) than the drive shafts. Of course,
I'm not that familiar with CJ drive shafts.
-Roger
"Siade, Randy" wrote:
>
> Just one thing to remember when doing this and that is you will be able to
> apply about 2.4 times more torque to the drive shafts then the stock
> configuration can. So be prepared to brake them if you do not upgrade
them.
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24840 From: David Burke <davewburke@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:43am
Subject: Crank sensor
Does anyone know of a way to test a crank position sensor? This is for a
1997 5.7L chevy Vortec motor.
-Trick-CJ
24841 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:10am
Subject: Fixed locker, Saturday night run, and new KJ
Ok, first things first. Big thanks to Blake Van de Loo for giving me one
of his pins from his locker. He lives about 2 miles from my work, so it
was easy to drop by and run home. I got to start on it at 8:00, and was
done by 10:30, including cleaning the garage up. It is working great!
Which leads to the next subject....
Saturday night run....Lower Terminator! 4.5- trail, someone was going to
lead...was it Mike Anderson? Sorry I deleted the message. If you can
make a trip at the vjc web site.....James T., you up for the northside?
I went to Earnhardts yesterday duringlunch and checked out a few KJ's.
Since it is for my wife, I would prefer to get her the 4x2 Limited option
"G", which is pretty nicely loaded. Unfortunatly, Earnhardts told me that
Jeep is not producing the 4x2's right now, only the 4x4 because they are
in demand. I asked about special ordering, and he said it would be a
while before it came in, hence they are not in production.
=====
Mike Baney
2001 TJ
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24842 From: David W. Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:49am
Subject: Re: LU: OHV PR Campaign
I actually seen a comercial on channel 3 this morning at about 7:15 am about
responsible OHV activity or it will be closed. The arizona game fish made
the commercial. It showed ATC, Rockcrawlers and motorcycles in OHV
Activities.
>From: Daver <daver@c...>
>To: "az_vjc@egroups.com" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] LU: OHV PR Campaign
>Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:51:35 -0700
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: OHV PR Campaign
>Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:57:26 -0700
>From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
>Reply-To: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
>To: Outdoor Enthusiasts <:>
>
>Outdoor Enthusiasts:
>
>Arizona State Parks has launched a public relations campaign to
>encourage responsible use of OHVs.
>
>Here is a related link:
>Arizona launches off-road vehicle campaign
>http://arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0602trails02.html
>
>The media still does not get the importance of using the term
>off-highway vs. 'off-road' vehicle. Further, they cannot resist the
>impulse to sensationalize issues (e.g. the opening sentence claiming
>that this is an "uphill battle").
>
>There will be two live radio interviews tomorrow (Tuesday, June 5), 1)
>8:10 a.m. on KXAM 1310 AM (10 minutes) and 2) 9:30 a.m. on KMLE FM 107.9
>(30 minutes).
>
>
>
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>
>
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24843 From: Michael B. Wixom <mwixom@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 9:32am
Subject: GPS Suggestions
Once again I am going to ask about a topic that has already been discussed in some detail on here in the recent past. Believe it or not my wife wants to buy me a GPS for my birthday this week. I was hoping to get some suggestions on brand, model, features, dealers, price etc for a handheld GPS unit. Any help would be appreciated.
Michael B. Wixom
Quality Manager
Certified Inspection Service Co., Inc.
24844 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 9:49am
Subject: Re: LU: OHV PR Campaign
So, when the article says that "a permit is required to drive...on
state land", are they referring to state 'trust' land permits? Or is
there some other state land permit that I am unaware of?
-Roger
Daver wrote:
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: OHV PR Campaign
> Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:57:26 -0700
> From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
> Reply-To: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
> To: Outdoor Enthusiasts <:>
>
> Outdoor Enthusiasts:
>
> Arizona State Parks has launched a public relations campaign to
> encourage responsible use of OHVs.
>
> Here is a related link:
> Arizona launches off-road vehicle campaign
> http://arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0602trails02.html
>
> The media still does not get the importance of using the term
> off-highway vs. 'off-road' vehicle. Further, they cannot resist the
> impulse to sensationalize issues (e.g. the opening sentence claiming
> that this is an "uphill battle").
>
> There will be two live radio interviews tomorrow (Tuesday, June 5), 1)
> 8:10 a.m. on KXAM 1310 AM (10 minutes) and 2) 9:30 a.m. on KMLE FM 107.9
> (30 minutes).
24845 From: <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 9:51am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
As with any security device, if a thief wants it bad enough -- he'll
get it. Mostly we use security devices to make our vehicles harder
to break into than the vehicle parked next to us.
Its like the old joke about the two guys going hiking in bear
country. One's putting on Hiking boots, the other running shoes.
The guy putting on Hiking boots asks the other why hes putting on
running shoes. His friend tells him, in case they see a bear so he
can run fast. The guy putting on Hiking boots laughs and says that
his friend is nuts if he thinks he can out run a bear. His friend
replies "I don't have to out run the bear; I just have to out run
YOU!"
A professional thief can get into and steal any car, alarmed or not
in less than 60 seconds. (Hence the movie title) An old socket and a
big hammer is all it takes for a thief to remove the locks, but many
won't go through the trouble for $50 - $150 rims when they can go
down three cars and hit the low-rider with $500 rims.
Of course you can alway deter thieves the way I do. Make sure your
rims have rock dings and scrapes and the tires are missing small
chunks and have rock scars on them. :)
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> I agree with Linda, dont waste your time on wheel locks... the only
> one they make it difficult for to remove a wheel is you.
>
24846 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:12am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
To add to that, if someone wants to steel my rims they are gonna have
to deal with using a hi-lift or getting a BF jack, cause a small
lightweight portable jack wouldn't work to well. Plus I hope with
all the moss, mud and dirt on my wheels they may move on to something
nicer. I've noticed my wheels are starting to smell a bit, I
probably should wash them soon before they rot or something. =)
--- In az_vjc@y..., mike.chatfield@p... wrote:
> As with any security device, if a thief wants it bad enough --
he'll
> get it. Mostly we use security devices to make our vehicles harder
> to break into than the vehicle parked next to us.
>
> Its like the old joke about the two guys going hiking in bear
> country. One's putting on Hiking boots, the other running shoes.
> The guy putting on Hiking boots asks the other why hes putting on
> running shoes. His friend tells him, in case they see a bear so he
> can run fast. The guy putting on Hiking boots laughs and says that
> his friend is nuts if he thinks he can out run a bear. His friend
> replies "I don't have to out run the bear; I just have to out run
> YOU!"
>
> A professional thief can get into and steal any car, alarmed or not
> in less than 60 seconds. (Hence the movie title) An old socket and
a
> big hammer is all it takes for a thief to remove the locks, but
many
> won't go through the trouble for $50 - $150 rims when they can go
> down three cars and hit the low-rider with $500 rims.
>
> Of course you can alway deter thieves the way I do. Make sure your
> rims have rock dings and scrapes and the tires are missing small
> chunks and have rock scars on them. :)
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> > I agree with Linda, dont waste your time on wheel locks... the
only
> > one they make it difficult for to remove a wheel is you.
> >
24847 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:24am
Subject: RE: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
Talking about security for you tires and wheels. I have a friend that has
five different lock lugs on his wheels. That maybe a little of an over
kill, but what ever it takes to make that person who wants them move on to
another vehicle that is not that secure. Just a thought.
Scott Thomas
97' Tj
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:12 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
To add to that, if someone wants to steel my rims they are gonna have
to deal with using a hi-lift or getting a BF jack, cause a small
lightweight portable jack wouldn't work to well. Plus I hope with
all the moss, mud and dirt on my wheels they may move on to something
nicer. I've noticed my wheels are starting to smell a bit, I
probably should wash them soon before they rot or something. =)
--- In az_vjc@y..., mike.chatfield@p... wrote:
> As with any security device, if a thief wants it bad enough --
he'll
> get it. Mostly we use security devices to make our vehicles harder
> to break into than the vehicle parked next to us.
>
> Its like the old joke about the two guys going hiking in bear
> country. One's putting on Hiking boots, the other running shoes.
> The guy putting on Hiking boots asks the other why hes putting on
> running shoes. His friend tells him, in case they see a bear so he
> can run fast. The guy putting on Hiking boots laughs and says that
> his friend is nuts if he thinks he can out run a bear. His friend
> replies "I don't have to out run the bear; I just have to out run
> YOU!"
>
> A professional thief can get into and steal any car, alarmed or not
> in less than 60 seconds. (Hence the movie title) An old socket and
a
> big hammer is all it takes for a thief to remove the locks, but
many
> won't go through the trouble for $50 - $150 rims when they can go
> down three cars and hit the low-rider with $500 rims.
>
> Of course you can alway deter thieves the way I do. Make sure your
> rims have rock dings and scrapes and the tires are missing small
> chunks and have rock scars on them. :)
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> > I agree with Linda, dont waste your time on wheel locks... the
only
> > one they make it difficult for to remove a wheel is you.
> >
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24848 From: <ansink@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:32am
Subject: FS: DT3000 Shocks for YJ (~ 4" lift)
The shocks are Doetsch Tech 3000. The specific information is as
follows:
Front: Part # DT3386
compressed 17"
extended 29 1/2"
Rear: Part # 32650 LL
compressed 14 1/2"
extended 24 1/2"
There is also a steering stabilizer (Explorer) that fits the stock
location. All of the shocks have only had approximately 3,000 miles
on them. They have never been offroad and are not bent/ dented in the
body either.
$70 obo
e-mail me at ansink@h...
24849 From: Dan Siegel <cruzeunit@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:44am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
Wheel locks are ok for a theft deterrent. But, Think about the very
real possibiliy of loosing or breaking one of the "keys" to the wheel
locks on the trail, when Its 100 degrees out, & there are 5 jeeps
behind you waiting for you to fix the flat. That happend to me once
(kinda) & I was very lucky that the lock came off with vise grips.
(so it wasn't doing much good as a lock or a lugnut anyway.)
After that all 5 of the locks went into the junk drawer in the garage.
Also... Ive broken the "keys" trying to tourque the locks down to
the recommended specs.
Dan Siegel
24850 From: <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:52am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
Thats why you carry an old socket that is just a little too small to
fit over the lock and a 3 pound hammer. Its called the "Backup
Key" :)
Another thing that works is a hammer and a punch, I've removed locks
I lost the key to this way before I learned about the old socket
trick.
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Siegel" <cruzeunit@y...> wrote:
> Wheel locks are ok for a theft deterrent. But, Think about the
very
> real possibiliy of loosing or breaking one of the "keys" to the
wheel
> locks on the trail, when Its 100 degrees out, & there are 5 jeeps
> behind you waiting for you to fix the flat. That happend to me once
> (kinda) & I was very lucky that the lock came off with vise grips.
> (so it wasn't doing much good as a lock or a lugnut anyway.)
> After that all 5 of the locks went into the junk drawer in the
garage.
> Also... Ive broken the "keys" trying to tourque the locks down to
> the recommended specs.
> Dan Siegel
24851 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 11:00am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
I am running 33" BFG MT's I picked up used from an AZVJC member. I
have run them my last 2 jeeps as well. Good highway ride, snow/wet
traction, and they work good on the rocks and mud. People say the
sidewall strength is not what it used to be, but mine have yet to
fail me. I did pop a bead off when I rolled my Jeep, but they were
aired down to 8 lbs so... The new Goodyear MT/R's are sweet though,
everyone seems to be happy with them on this board and another board
I post on.
Chris M
87 YJ
"There are two kinds of Jeepers, those that have rolled, and those
who are about to."
\
\
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joey K [mailto:joey@j...]
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:08 PM
> To: jeepindog@y...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
>
>
> I am thinkin' it is high too. Especially for Big O house brand
tires.
> Actually in the quote there are a couple of items that add to the
price but
> not significantly.
>
> Big O
> Big Foot MT 33x12.50R15 177.99 (too high) each w/warranty. The
white wagon
> wheels are 35.00 (acceptable but on the high side) each. labor is
17.50
> total.
>
> Goodyear Auto Service Center
> Wrangle MT/R 33x12.50R15 170.00 each w/out warrenty. Warranty 22.74
each
> tire. same wheels 34.99. Oh and add 10.73 labor each tire
(unacceptablly
> high) NOTE: quality tire.
>
> Discount
> Have not got there yet.
>
>
> I would add that the wheel locks are a necessary evil for piece of
mind.
> Those added seconds and fumbling by a would be thief could be the
difference
> between tires or no tires.
>
> I definitly will be shopping for a better deal.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:39 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
> >
> >
> > You should definitely look into tires from
> > 4WheelPartsWholesalers. I got my tires there, and recommend them.
> > There prices are WAY better than the one you quoted. $1200 for
steel
> > wheels and only 33" tires? Good God! I hope that comes with 6
> > months of free gasoline!!!
> >
> > Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., linda luik <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> > > > I went through 4 33x9.50 MTs in a year. I have never sliced
the
> > > > 285/75r16 MTs (which are slightly wider than the 9.50s). So go
> > > figure.
> > > >
> > > > Don't waste your time on the wheel locks. I bought a set for
my
> > > > expensive Al alloy wheels and all they did was get in the
way. If
> > > you
> > > > want wheel locks you can have my old set. I think I still have
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > > Linda
> > > >
> > > > > Joey K wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All/Anyone
> > > > > I am looking at getting some new shoes for the Jeep. White
Wagon
> > > > > Wheels and Mud Terrains. 33x12.50R15.
> > > > > Big O quoted me around $1,200 for a set of 5 Big O MT's.
That
> > > includes
> > > > > road hazard, balancing, stems etc. and a set of wheel locks.
> > > > > Changing a sliced Big O tire no questions and no money.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or should I go with the BFG MT's for about $170 dollars
more.
> > > (With
> > > > > same warranty).
> > > > > The difference being I will have to buy a new warranty every
> > flat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone got some suggestions or a better deal?
> > > > >
> > > > > Joey K
> > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > www.desertjeep.com
> > > > >
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> > > Service.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
>
>
>
>
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24852 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 11:21am
Subject: Tucson OHV Park to Open end of month
For all who did not know, the Pima County OHV Park will be opening
at the end of this month. Got Check it out.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/
ANd read all about it.
WoooHooo
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
24853 From: <jaylalib@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 0:04pm
Subject: Gambler Wheels for sale(5)
I am selling 5 Gambler rims? Factory ones that come with the 30"
tire package. $175 or best offer.
Jason
24829 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 0:18am
Subject: RE: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
Joey,
Discount will beat those MT/R prices for sure. For a solid deal try Sears. They will match Discount's price but where you really save with them is their cheaper pricing on mounting and balancing.
Scott
Joey K wrote:
I am thinkin' it is high too. Especially for Big O house brand tires.
Actually in the quote there are a couple of items that add to the price but
not significantly.
Big O
Big Foot MT 33x12.50R15 177.99 (too high) each w/warranty. The white wagon
wheels are 35.00 (acceptable but on the high side) each. labor is 17.50
total.
Goodyear Auto Service Center
Wrangle MT/R 33x12.50R15 170.00 each w/out warrenty. Warranty 22.74 each
tire. same wheels 34.99. Oh and add 10.73 labor each tire (unacceptablly
high) NOTE: quality tire.
Discount
Have not got there yet.
I would add that the wheel locks are a necessary evil for piece of mind.
Those added seconds and fumbling by a would be thief could be the difference
between tires or no tires.
I definitly will be shopping for a better deal.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@yahoo.com [mailto:jeepindog@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
>
>
> You should definitely look into tires from
> 4WheelPartsWholesalers. I got my tires there, and recommend them.
> There prices are WAY better than the one you quoted. $1200 for steel
> wheels and only 33" tires? Good God! I hope that comes with 6
> months of free gasoline!!!
>
> Lachlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., linda luik wrote:
> > > I went through 4 33x9.50 MTs in a year. I have never sliced the
> > > 285/75r16 MTs (which are slightly wider than the 9.50s). So go
> > figure.
> > >
> > > Don't waste your time on the wheel locks. I bought a set for my
> > > expensive Al alloy wheels and all they did was get in the way. If
> > you
> > > want wheel locks you can have my old set. I think I still have
> > them.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > > Joey K wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All/Anyone
> > > > I am looking at getting some new shoes for the Jeep. White Wagon
> > > > Wheels and Mud Terrains. 33x12.50R15.
> > > > Big O quoted me around $1,200 for a set of 5 Big O MT's. That
> > includes
> > > > road hazard, balancing, stems etc. and a set of wheel locks.
> > > > Changing a sliced Big O tire no questions and no money.
> > > >
> > > > Or should I go with the BFG MT's for about $170 dollars more.
> > (With
> > > > same warranty).
> > > > The difference being I will have to buy a new warranty every
> flat.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone got some suggestions or a better deal?
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > > 93YJ
> > > > www.desertjeep.com
> > > >
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> > Service.
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24830 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 0:28am
Subject: RE: body lift vs spacer lift
At 2.5" you are probably getting by without a slip yoke eliminator and CV driveshaft. If you add spacers and bump into the 3.5" range you would probably need to start thinking about doing that or a 1" motor mount lift to eliminate the vibes.
I'd suggest that you consider doing both a 1" motor mount lift and a 1" body lift together. If you do have your tcase spaced down from the 2.5" lift there is a good chance that with the improved driveline angle from the motor mount lift that you can remove the tcase spacers too. Also with the combo there is no need to worry about the fan shroud. Sometimes you need to use the linkage drop down bracket with the 1" body lift and on some TJ's you don't. If you go with a kit from Performance Accessories you will get everything you need including radiator dropdown brackets which you won't need. I also recommend the Challenger 1" motor mounts. I've installed the Challengers in 2 different TJ's and the fit was perfect on both. You can order both of these with the AZVJC discount from www.macromotive.com It shouldn't be more than $160 for both.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
The major differnce is that one lifts the frame (and thus everything
attached to it) while the other only lifts the body.
When you lift your frame, other things can be affected....shocks, steering,
alignment, drive shaft angles, etc. Granted, a 3/4" spacer lift shouldn't
cause much of a probelm....maybe vibes, maybe not. A spacer lift will raise
your center of gravity more than will a body lift, since more things go
higher.
The 1" body lift....about all you have to worry about is the fan shroud and
maybe t-case shift linkage. Some folks find they need to cut a little of
the tub away around the tranny shifter....sometimes it makes contact with
the metal and won't let you get into gear (usually 2 and/or 4th).
Others probably have some other ideas.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 5:05 PM
To: AZ VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] body lift vs spacer lift
I have a 2.5 lift now and I want a little more height,
but I cant decide if I should go with a 3/4 in spacer
lift or a 1 in body. I would love to be enlightened
to the pro's and con's of each route.
Thanks, FRZ
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24831 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 0:35am
Subject: RE: body lift vs spacer lift
Oh yeah, I forgot to mention one more bonus of installing the MM/bodylift combo. The 1" MM lift will raise the oil pan an inch higher and moves it almost up into the framerails. This helps keep it off the rocks.
Scott
Scott Kruize wrote:
At 2.5" you are probably getting by without a slip yoke eliminator and CV driveshaft. If you add spacers and bump into the 3.5" range you would probably need to start thinking about doing that or a 1" motor mount lift to eliminate the vibes.
I'd suggest that you consider doing both a 1" motor mount lift and a 1" body lift together. If you do have your tcase spaced down from the 2.5" lift there is a good chance that with the improved driveline angle from the motor mount lift that you can remove the tcase spacers too. Also with the combo there is no need to worry about the fan shroud. Sometimes you need to use the linkage drop down bracket with the 1" body lift and on some TJ's you don't. If you go with a kit from Performance Accessories you will get everything you need including radiator dropdown brackets which you won't need. I also recommend the Challenger 1" motor mounts. I've installed the Challengers in 2 different TJ's and the fit was perfect on both. You can order both of these with the AZVJC discount from www.macromotive.com It shouldn't be more than $160 for both.
Scott
Stu Olson wrote:
The major differnce is that one lifts the frame (and thus everything
attached to it) while the other only lifts the body.
When you lift your frame, other things can be affected....shocks, steering,
alignment, drive shaft angles, etc. Granted, a 3/4" spacer lift shouldn't
cause much of a probelm....maybe vibes, maybe not. A spacer lift will raise
your center of gravity more than will a body lift, since more things go
higher.
The 1" body lift....about all you have to worry about is the fan shroud and
maybe t-case shift linkage. Some folks find they need to cut a little of
the tub away around the tranny shifter....sometimes it makes contact with
the metal and won't let you get into gear (usually 2 and/or 4th).
Others probably have some other ideas.
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda [mailto:zepeda199@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 5:05 PM
To: AZ VJC
Subject: [az_vjc] body lift vs spacer lift
I have a 2.5 lift now and I want a little more height,
but I cant decide if I should go with a 3/4 in spacer
lift or a 1 in body. I would love to be enlightened
to the pro's and con's of each route.
Thanks, FRZ
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24832 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 1:00am
Subject: TR: GILA MONSTER
Hey gang..
Gila Monster 3+ to 4+ depending on lines...
June 9th, 6am Circle K on Jackrabbit trail.
I10 west to Jackrabbit trail. South on Jackrabbit
trail 1/2 mile. Pulling out of Circle K at 6:30am sharp.. Trail head
by 7am
See website for some pix of the trail...
Http://Arizonaxj.rockcrawler.com
Dave
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24833 From: Templar <templar1@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 0:04am
Subject: RE: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
I second that comment to talk to Rick at Discount - I recently purchased 5
35" MTRs and 5 Centerlines from him - he treated me right and had the best
prices around as well. If you decide to get a quote make sure you let him
know your from VJC.
-Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:35 PM
To: Joey K; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
You might want to give RICK BEER [RIKNAZ@m...] an e-mail.....he is a VJC
member too. He works at the Discount Tire up on Bell Road on the west side
of town.
He got me great pricing on my 35" MT/Rs (significantly less than the 33" B/O
tires referenced below).
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Joey K [mailto:joey@j...]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:08 PM
To: jeepindog@y...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
I am thinkin' it is high too. Especially for Big O house brand tires.
Actually in the quote there are a couple of items that add to the price but
not significantly.
Big O
Big Foot MT 33x12.50R15 177.99 (too high) each w/warranty. The white wagon
wheels are 35.00 (acceptable but on the high side) each. labor is 17.50
total.
Goodyear Auto Service Center
Wrangle MT/R 33x12.50R15 170.00 each w/out warrenty. Warranty 22.74 each
tire. same wheels 34.99. Oh and add 10.73 labor each tire (unacceptablly
high) NOTE: quality tire.
Discount
Have not got there yet.
I would add that the wheel locks are a necessary evil for piece of mind.
Those added seconds and fumbling by a would be thief could be the difference
between tires or no tires.
I definitly will be shopping for a better deal.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:39 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
>
>
> You should definitely look into tires from
> 4WheelPartsWholesalers. I got my tires there, and recommend them.
> There prices are WAY better than the one you quoted. $1200 for steel
> wheels and only 33" tires? Good God! I hope that comes with 6
> months of free gasoline!!!
>
> Lachlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., linda luik <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> > > I went through 4 33x9.50 MTs in a year. I have never sliced the
> > > 285/75r16 MTs (which are slightly wider than the 9.50s). So go
> > figure.
> > >
> > > Don't waste your time on the wheel locks. I bought a set for my
> > > expensive Al alloy wheels and all they did was get in the way. If
> > you
> > > want wheel locks you can have my old set. I think I still have
> > them.
> > >
> > > Linda
> > >
> > > > Joey K wrote:
> > > >
> > > > All/Anyone
> > > > I am looking at getting some new shoes for the Jeep. White Wagon
> > > > Wheels and Mud Terrains. 33x12.50R15.
> > > > Big O quoted me around $1,200 for a set of 5 Big O MT's. That
> > includes
> > > > road hazard, balancing, stems etc. and a set of wheel locks.
> > > > Changing a sliced Big O tire no questions and no money.
> > > >
> > > > Or should I go with the BFG MT's for about $170 dollars more.
> > (With
> > > > same warranty).
> > > > The difference being I will have to buy a new warranty every
> flat.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone got some suggestions or a better deal?
> > > >
> > > > Joey K
> > > > 93YJ
> > > > www.desertjeep.com
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of
> > Service.
>
>
>
>
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24834 From: <nickcarrie@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 3:00am
Subject: 94',Y.J. For Sale
My friend is jumping on the band wagon again...He wants to sell his
y.j. and buy a rail, and boat.
Here are the details, recently tuned inline six, with 90k. 5 speed,
a/c, just serviced for summer. Borla, header, Gibson cat-back
exhaust. 4" pro-comp spring lift, with 3/4 elliptical springs in
rear, 2" body lift. 3/4" grade 8 shackles. Brand New 33" bfg mudd
terrains, on new crome steel 15x7.5" wheels, with warranties. Lock-
rite in front, limited slip in rear. new dana 35 axels, 30/35 diffs.
411 gears, big brake conversion for front disc's. Warn 8000lbs winch
on stubby bumper, with d-rings, and hi-lift jack. k&n filter. rear
bumber with class III hitch. Exterior is dark Green, new spice soft
top with tint, spice int. with cloth seats. Spice tuffy center
console, with protective stereo, and c.b. mount. $200.00 new cobra
c.b.,4' carbon fiber antenna; $300.00, kenwood cd; kenwood speakers
behind seat in seperate boxes. Loud air hornes under the hood,
clifford car alarm and spice carpet.
This jeep is just a barbie jeep, JUST FOR LOOKS, is has literally
been off road 4 times, on trails rated 2, you know improved dirt
roads. Its a great running jeep, and looks sweet.
He is looking to get around 10,500 for it. so spread the word or give
him a call to check it out. His name is Spencer, he lives in Tempe
around Warner and Rural, his number is 480-897-1402. Or just e-mail
me and I will relay the message. We will get some pics. if you want
them. Thanks,
Nick L. trying to sell my 93 yj soa (6500)
24835 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 4:50am
Subject: Fwd: Driving Force - June 2001, Email Edition
very useful legislation information.
Dave
Below is the June 2001 email edition of the Specialty Equipment Market
Association's (SEMA) "Driving Force" newsletter. As always, feel free
toreprint any or all of the information contained within it. All we ask is
for attribution if you choose to do so. If you need any additional
background, please do not hesitate to contact us.
If you do not wish to receive any future editions of the email Driving
Brian Caudill, Editor
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Scrappage: Smashing Success . . . We Don’t Think So!
It seems our friends at the California Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR)
are very proud of their efforts as of late.
In their newsletter, (Smog Check Advisory, March/April 2000 edition), there
is an article on the front page touting the supreme goodness of their
scrappage program. They even go so far as to call it a “smashing success.”
How clever of them.
To put what BAR is doing into perspective, 2,778 vehicles were crushed in
February. Almost 1,600 were crushed the month before that. Who knows how
many future classics and rare parts sources were lost in those 2 months
alone?
BAR was even gracious enough to provide a picture of them crushing a 1985
Cadillac Eldorado in a recent Dog and Pony Show they conducted. Driving
Force understands that 1985 Cadillacs aren’t exactly hemi ’Cudas, but then
again, if we really knew what cars were destined to become classics, there
wouldn’t be so many stories about guys and gals selling their 428 Cobra Jet
Mach One ’Stangs because they were tired of tinkering with the carburetor
all the time.
Some of you may be wondering why such a late-model car would be eligible to
be scrapped? It’s actually quite easy to qualify for California’s program,
and if you do, the BAR will fork over $1,000 for your vehicle. What’s
noteworthy about that figure is that if you participate in BAR’s Consumer
Assistance Program which is supposed to help cover the cost of repairs to
bring a vehicle into compliance, the most they will give you is $500, and
that’s if you even qualify for the program based on your income. However,
anyone can scrap his or her qualifying car, regardless of economic status.
This disparity leaves little doubt as to the agency’s ultimate goal.
BAR says that it is providing a great service to the community by getting
so many “polluting” vehicles off the road. However, there’s no test
conducted to measure just how much pollution these cars are producing and no
way to be certain that they are even driven on a regular basis. It’s quite
possible that vehicles are being scrapped when $50 worth of work could have
brought them into compliance.
BAR also touts how scrapped vehicles are recycled and sent off to
manufacturing facilities to be used in new products. While many folks not
involved with the hobby might think that this is a great system, collectors
and restorers know that once you crush a car, you’ve lost a valuable source
of parts for other vehicles. In fact, the BAR not only prohibits parting out
cars that have been surrendered to the program; it also sends state
inspectors to audit dismantler sites just to make sure nothing is salvaged.
So if some unenlightened motorist happens to take Grandpa’s old, black Buick
in to collect his $1,000, there’s no hope that someone is going to recognize
that it’s a Grand National and save it from a most unbecoming end. The car
is going to be reduced to brick-sized pieces before the guy even gets to the
bank and cashes the check.
If you’re interested in what the California BAR has to say about their
program, you can check out their web site at: www.smogcheck.ca.gov. If you’
re interested in BAR’s Smog Check newsletter, it can be accessed at
www.smogcheck.ca.gov/smogweb/ftp/scapdf/sca0301.pdf.
California Bill Calls for Destruction of Pre-1970 Cars
A bill (A.B. 1390) has been introduced in the California legislature that
would allow automobile manufacturers to crush pre-1970 vehicles in exchange
for credits toward their obligations under the state’s Zero Emission Vehicle
(ZEV) program. The owners who surrender their vehicles would receive a
voucher of at least $2,500 for the purchase of a new or used vehicle.
This legislation would essentially create a “back-door” scrappage plan
alarmingly aimed directly at crushing muscle-car era and earlier vehicles.
There are a number of glaring problems with this legislation.
At a minimum, A.B. 1390 allows auto manufacturers to create markets for
their new cars at the expense of automotive hobbyists. At the same time, the
bill is self-defeating because lower-income car owners cannot reasonably
afford to purchase new — or even newer — used vehicles with the limited
money this program would provide.
The bill also neglects to set up a program to verify emissions reductions
from destroyed vehicles, so it will never be clear if such a program helps
clean the air or not! Further, A.B. 1390 fails to recognize that pre-1970
cars are typically second or third vehicles rarely driven in the first place
and makes no provisions for rescuing valuable parts and parts-cars for
repair and restoration projects. SEMA has said it many times before: Crush
old cars and watch the restoration market die off and parts prices
skyrocket, turning an accessible and fun hobby into the sole playground of
the affluent.
SEMA-member companies, the popular press and SEMA Action Network contacts
in California, including the Beach Cities Mustang Club, Mopar Alley and the
Golden West Chevelle and El Camino Club, have all been alerted to this bill.
We are pleased with and hopeful that the sizable amount of letters, faxes
and e-mails pouring into the legislature from enthusiasts will stop this
bill before it moves any further.
Massachusetts Legislation Bans the Sale/Installation of Custom Exhaust
Systems
A bill (H.B. 3593) has passed the Massachusetts Legislature’s Joint
Committee on Public Safety that would prohibit the sale or installation of
“an exhaust system which has been modified in a manner which will amplify or
increase the noise emitted by the exhaust.” This bill could soon be voted on
by the full House of Representatives.
This legislation was introduced by a well-meaning Massachusetts legislator
who somehow came to the conclusion that the throatier sound of performance
exhaust systems has some sort of correlation to car-related gang activity.
Not knowing the particulars of this legislator’s home or district, SEMA
cannot comment on the level of gang activity and whether this is a problem
that needs addressing or not. However, at a minimum, we find the notion that
exhaust noise and gang activity are intertwined questionable. At a maximum,
we find the assertion ludicrous and dangerous in that it stereotypes
custom-car enthusiasts as hoodlums.
The facts on H.B. 3593 are clear: First and foremost, the bill ignores the
fact that aftermarket exhaust systems are designed to increase performance,
making vehicles run more efficiently without increasing emissions. Second,
H.B. 3593 would make it difficult for hobbyists to replace factory exhaust
systems with more durable and better-looking stainless steel ones. Finally,
H.B. 3593 does not supply law enforcement officials with a clear standard to
enforce, allowing them to make subjective judgments on whether or not a
modified exhaust system is in violation.
“Decidedly non-hoodlum” SEMA Action Network members in Massachusetts such
as the upstanding Bearing Burners Car Club, the above-board Dominators Car
Club, and the pillar-of-the-community Massachusetts Cruisers Auto Club, have
been contacted about this legislation and have all registered concerns with
the legislature. On a serious note, SEMA is proud of their participation in
this effort and is hopeful that through our combined efforts we will be able
to kill this ill-reasoned and harmful legislation.
What’s The Deal with Street Rods in Pennsylvania?
Thanks to a number of our SEMA Action Network contacts in Pennsylvania, we
were recently made aware of a situation concerning the street rod community.
Many folks were attempting to register their vehicles and were shocked when
they did not pass the street rod safety inspection. We looked into the
matter and were surprised at what we discovered.
We went online and studied the Pennsylvania Street Rod inspection criteria
and learned that it hasn’t changed over the last 20 years. At this point, we
were a little perplexed, so we called Tom Zamboni, manager of the Special
Services Unit at the Pennsylvania Department of Transportation (PennDOT),
who confirmed that the regulations have not changed at all. What has changed
is that inspectors are enforcing standards much more strictly than they have
in the past. Vehicles are being failed for violations such as shaded glass,
inadequate fender
coverage and non-approved fuel cells. However, Zamboni said that he was
unaware of any directive for police to step up enforcement on the street.
Why PennDOT has chosen to follow the inspection criteria so closely after
20 years of lax enforcement is unclear, but there is no denying that they
are and it looks like they will continue to do so. Many Pennsylvania street
rodders, including some SEMA Action Network members, have begun work on
drafting more hobbyist-friendly legislation. Zamboni and PennDOT also remain
open to discussing policy issues regarding street rod regulations. We are
hopeful that a resolution to this problem can be found in the near future.
If you live in Pennsylvania and are currently building or plan to build a
street rod, Zamboni recommends that you pay close attention to the
inspection manual. It can be accessed at: www.pacode.com/secure/data/067/
chapter175/subchapKtoc.html, or you can purchase a copy at the Department of
Motor Vehicles for a nominal fee.
Driving Force would like to recognize Mike Kramer, Joe Paplosky and the
many SEMA Action Network
members in Pennsylvania for keeping us informed about this situation and for
working to find a solution. Also,
we want to commend Zamboni at PennDOT for his willingness to speak with our
members while keeping an open mind.
Driving Force Wants to Hear Your Automotive-Related “Horror Stories”
More and more, SEMA hears about people being “turned in” to authorities
because they violated the law by changing their oil in the driveway rather
than at the local gas station or because a nosy neighbor peered over their
privacy fence and reported them to zoning officials for having a project car
in their backyard.
Other folks point to being pulled over (and sometimes ticketed) for silly
reasons, including, but not
limited to, the following: Street rodders pulled over for “unsafe” blue-dot
taillights or for having “non-stock” parts on customized vehicles.
Antique-car owners ticketed for not wearing seatbelts when the car was never
originally equipped with them. Import-performance rides pulled over and
cited because they simply have a modified exhaust or it “sounds too loud.”
Lowriders ticketed for using hydraulics at a designated car show (not while
driving). Lifted 4x4 owners pulled over and cited because, “Man, that thing
is just TOO tall.” Garage owners who were forced out of business because of
overzealous government regulation.
The automotive hobby, from street rods to lifted 4x4’s and every vehicle
type in-between, is subject to a nationwide hodge-podge of silly laws, weird
regulations and chaotic enforcement . And it seems everybody has a story to
tell about their experiences.
We want to hear these stories!
Write to SEMA with your experiences, tales of woe, accounts of silliness
and narratives of the bizarre. We’ll do our part by publishing them in a
semi-regular column in Driving Force called “Can You Believe?!”
Perhaps by publicizing the ridiculous lengths the government will go
through to harass, restrict and
confuse hobbyists, we can inject a little common sense into how vehicle laws
(and vehicle hobbyist laws) are developed and enforced.
Submit stories, pictures, documentary evidence, etc. to “Can You
Believe?!,” Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA),1317 F Street,
NW, Suite 500, Washington, D.C., 20004; fax: 202/783-6024; e-mail:
brianc@s....
Hey, Is That My Car?! Driving Force Needs Your Pictures
While we'll never run out of legislation to fight, we are short of pictures
to accompany our stories!
In order to replenish our photo library and to continue publishing a
visually appealing newsletter, we are asking for your photos or access to
your website’s photo archives. We need restoration process pictures,
junkyard pictures, street rod pictures, antique/classic pictures, import
performance pictures and lifted 4x4 pictures. Send us photos of your trail
ride, rod run, car show, charity event, drag race.... Hell, send us the
pictures you took from your last fender bender or breakdown; we can use
those, too!
Submit photos to: SEMA,1575 south Valley Vista Drive, Diamond Bar, CA. You
can send high-resolution e-mail pictures to jasonc@s.... While we regret
that we cannot return any picture to you, take heart that next time we do a
story focusing on your segment of the automobile hobby, we may use your ride
as the example.
Newly Introduced Legislation
Note: The following state bills are not laws. They have been recently
introduced and are currently being considered for adoption by the respective
state legislatures.
Emissions
California: A.B. 1560 would increase the penalties for crimes relating to
vehicle emissions inspections.
Colorado: S.B. 242/H.B. 1402 would allow the Clean Screen emissions
inspection contract to be extended for two additional years.
Missouri: H.B. 985 would establish a complaint procedure for owners of
vehicles that had been damaged during emissions inspections.
Nevada: A.B. 657 would make provisions for establishing air pollution
control programs, including inspection and maintenance programs for motor
vehicles.
North Carolina: H.B. 1175 would change the motor vehicle emissions
inspection exemption from vehicles manufactured in 1975 or earlier to
vehicles 25 years old or older.
Ohio: H.B. 232 would prohibit emissions inspections from including nitrous
oxide tests unless the E.P.A. mandated it.
Pennsylvania: H.B. 1343 would prohibit the state from entering into a new
emissions inspection management program contract until the E.P.A. finalized
its regulations governing on-board diagnostic systems.
Pennsylvania: H.B. 1511 would eliminate the emissions inspection program
until the E.P.A.’s particulate emissions standards for heavy-duty engines
and vehicles took effect.
Registration and Plates
Alaska: H.B. 265 would provide that motor vehicles display only one
registration plate on the rear of the vehicle.
Louisiana: S.B. 1044 would provide for a one-time registration fee of $25
for antique motor vehicles.
Nevada: A.B. 643 would provide for a special registration classification for
antique trucks and truck-tractors.
South Carolina: H.B. 3272 would provide for NASCAR license plates.
Miscellaneous
Massachusetts: H.B. 3649 would provide that the excise tax rate for new
motor vehicles be determined by fuel efficiency.
North Carolina: H.B. 1213 would provide rebates and grants for the purchase
of alternate fuel vehicles.
North Carolina: H.B. 1333 would require that motor vehicles have
windshields and operating windows on the driver’s door.
Wisconsin: A.B. 363 would require drivers to burn headlamps when traveling
on the highway.
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• June 22-24, Pueblo—17th annual NSRA Rocky Mountain Street Rod Nationals
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• June 17-23, Bloomington—15th annual Solid Axle Corvette National
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• June 3, Marion—20th annual Chevy and Chevy Powered Car Show
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• June 22-24, St. Paul—28th annual MSRA’64 & Older Rods and Customs Show
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24836 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 5:40am
Subject: Way,Way, out west residents....
If you live on the far west side (Avondale/Goodyear/Buckeye area) and want
to do some exploring this thursday evening like 6pm or so.
Give me a hollar at home.
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24837 From: Frank and Amanda Zepeda <zepeda199@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:05am
Subject: RE: body lift vs spacer lift
Thanks for all the great info. I think now I'm
definetly leaning more towards the body lift side with
the motor mount lift also. Thanks again
FRZ
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24838 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 6:51am
Subject: LU: OHV PR Campaign
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: OHV PR Campaign
Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:57:26 -0700
From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
Reply-To: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
To: Outdoor Enthusiasts <:>
Outdoor Enthusiasts:
Arizona State Parks has launched a public relations campaign to
encourage responsible use of OHVs.
Here is a related link:
Arizona launches off-road vehicle campaign
http://arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0602trails02.html
The media still does not get the importance of using the term
off-highway vs. 'off-road' vehicle. Further, they cannot resist the
impulse to sensationalize issues (e.g. the opening sentence claiming
that this is an "uphill battle").
There will be two live radio interviews tomorrow (Tuesday, June 5), 1)
8:10 a.m. on KXAM 1310 AM (10 minutes) and 2) 9:30 a.m. on KMLE FM 107.9
(30 minutes).
24839 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:40am
Subject: RE: Re: Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
Very true but most hard core wheels have already done something about the
Dana 30. I have seen lots of jeeps with very big tires, lots of HP and
torque still running the puny stock front drive shaft. On inspection of the
front drive shaft you will find every one of them will be twisted.
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 10:55 AM
To: Siade, Randy
Cc: 'jal@c...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
The same applies to the axles and I'd be more concerned about the front
axle u-joints (assuming a CJ Dana 30) than the drive shafts. Of course,
I'm not that familiar with CJ drive shafts.
-Roger
"Siade, Randy" wrote:
>
> Just one thing to remember when doing this and that is you will be able to
> apply about 2.4 times more torque to the drive shafts then the stock
> configuration can. So be prepared to brake them if you do not upgrade
them.
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24840 From: David Burke <davewburke@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 7:43am
Subject: Crank sensor
Does anyone know of a way to test a crank position sensor? This is for a
1997 5.7L chevy Vortec motor.
-Trick-CJ
24841 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:10am
Subject: Fixed locker, Saturday night run, and new KJ
Ok, first things first. Big thanks to Blake Van de Loo for giving me one
of his pins from his locker. He lives about 2 miles from my work, so it
was easy to drop by and run home. I got to start on it at 8:00, and was
done by 10:30, including cleaning the garage up. It is working great!
Which leads to the next subject....
Saturday night run....Lower Terminator! 4.5- trail, someone was going to
lead...was it Mike Anderson? Sorry I deleted the message. If you can
make a trip at the vjc web site.....James T., you up for the northside?
I went to Earnhardts yesterday duringlunch and checked out a few KJ's.
Since it is for my wife, I would prefer to get her the 4x2 Limited option
"G", which is pretty nicely loaded. Unfortunatly, Earnhardts told me that
Jeep is not producing the 4x2's right now, only the 4x4 because they are
in demand. I asked about special ordering, and he said it would be a
while before it came in, hence they are not in production.
=====
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2001 TJ
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24842 From: David W. Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 8:49am
Subject: Re: LU: OHV PR Campaign
I actually seen a comercial on channel 3 this morning at about 7:15 am about
responsible OHV activity or it will be closed. The arizona game fish made
the commercial. It showed ATC, Rockcrawlers and motorcycles in OHV
Activities.
>From: Daver <daver@c...>
>To: "az_vjc@egroups.com" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] LU: OHV PR Campaign
>Date: Tue, 05 Jun 2001 06:51:35 -0700
>
>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: OHV PR Campaign
>Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:57:26 -0700
>From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
>Reply-To: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
>To: Outdoor Enthusiasts <:>
>
>Outdoor Enthusiasts:
>
>Arizona State Parks has launched a public relations campaign to
>encourage responsible use of OHVs.
>
>Here is a related link:
>Arizona launches off-road vehicle campaign
>http://arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0602trails02.html
>
>The media still does not get the importance of using the term
>off-highway vs. 'off-road' vehicle. Further, they cannot resist the
>impulse to sensationalize issues (e.g. the opening sentence claiming
>that this is an "uphill battle").
>
>There will be two live radio interviews tomorrow (Tuesday, June 5), 1)
>8:10 a.m. on KXAM 1310 AM (10 minutes) and 2) 9:30 a.m. on KMLE FM 107.9
>(30 minutes).
>
>
>
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>
>
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24843 From: Michael B. Wixom <mwixom@q...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 9:32am
Subject: GPS Suggestions
Once again I am going to ask about a topic that has already been discussed in some detail on here in the recent past. Believe it or not my wife wants to buy me a GPS for my birthday this week. I was hoping to get some suggestions on brand, model, features, dealers, price etc for a handheld GPS unit. Any help would be appreciated.
Michael B. Wixom
Quality Manager
Certified Inspection Service Co., Inc.
24844 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 9:49am
Subject: Re: LU: OHV PR Campaign
So, when the article says that "a permit is required to drive...on
state land", are they referring to state 'trust' land permits? Or is
there some other state land permit that I am unaware of?
-Roger
Daver wrote:
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: OHV PR Campaign
> Date: 04 Jun 2001 16:57:26 -0700
> From: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
> Reply-To: Terry Heslin <theslin@p...>
> To: Outdoor Enthusiasts <:>
>
> Outdoor Enthusiasts:
>
> Arizona State Parks has launched a public relations campaign to
> encourage responsible use of OHVs.
>
> Here is a related link:
> Arizona launches off-road vehicle campaign
> http://arizonarepublic.com/arizona/articles/0602trails02.html
>
> The media still does not get the importance of using the term
> off-highway vs. 'off-road' vehicle. Further, they cannot resist the
> impulse to sensationalize issues (e.g. the opening sentence claiming
> that this is an "uphill battle").
>
> There will be two live radio interviews tomorrow (Tuesday, June 5), 1)
> 8:10 a.m. on KXAM 1310 AM (10 minutes) and 2) 9:30 a.m. on KMLE FM 107.9
> (30 minutes).
24845 From: <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 9:51am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
As with any security device, if a thief wants it bad enough -- he'll
get it. Mostly we use security devices to make our vehicles harder
to break into than the vehicle parked next to us.
Its like the old joke about the two guys going hiking in bear
country. One's putting on Hiking boots, the other running shoes.
The guy putting on Hiking boots asks the other why hes putting on
running shoes. His friend tells him, in case they see a bear so he
can run fast. The guy putting on Hiking boots laughs and says that
his friend is nuts if he thinks he can out run a bear. His friend
replies "I don't have to out run the bear; I just have to out run
YOU!"
A professional thief can get into and steal any car, alarmed or not
in less than 60 seconds. (Hence the movie title) An old socket and a
big hammer is all it takes for a thief to remove the locks, but many
won't go through the trouble for $50 - $150 rims when they can go
down three cars and hit the low-rider with $500 rims.
Of course you can alway deter thieves the way I do. Make sure your
rims have rock dings and scrapes and the tires are missing small
chunks and have rock scars on them. :)
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> I agree with Linda, dont waste your time on wheel locks... the only
> one they make it difficult for to remove a wheel is you.
>
24846 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:12am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
To add to that, if someone wants to steel my rims they are gonna have
to deal with using a hi-lift or getting a BF jack, cause a small
lightweight portable jack wouldn't work to well. Plus I hope with
all the moss, mud and dirt on my wheels they may move on to something
nicer. I've noticed my wheels are starting to smell a bit, I
probably should wash them soon before they rot or something. =)
--- In az_vjc@y..., mike.chatfield@p... wrote:
> As with any security device, if a thief wants it bad enough --
he'll
> get it. Mostly we use security devices to make our vehicles harder
> to break into than the vehicle parked next to us.
>
> Its like the old joke about the two guys going hiking in bear
> country. One's putting on Hiking boots, the other running shoes.
> The guy putting on Hiking boots asks the other why hes putting on
> running shoes. His friend tells him, in case they see a bear so he
> can run fast. The guy putting on Hiking boots laughs and says that
> his friend is nuts if he thinks he can out run a bear. His friend
> replies "I don't have to out run the bear; I just have to out run
> YOU!"
>
> A professional thief can get into and steal any car, alarmed or not
> in less than 60 seconds. (Hence the movie title) An old socket and
a
> big hammer is all it takes for a thief to remove the locks, but
many
> won't go through the trouble for $50 - $150 rims when they can go
> down three cars and hit the low-rider with $500 rims.
>
> Of course you can alway deter thieves the way I do. Make sure your
> rims have rock dings and scrapes and the tires are missing small
> chunks and have rock scars on them. :)
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> > I agree with Linda, dont waste your time on wheel locks... the
only
> > one they make it difficult for to remove a wheel is you.
> >
24847 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:24am
Subject: RE: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
Talking about security for you tires and wheels. I have a friend that has
five different lock lugs on his wheels. That maybe a little of an over
kill, but what ever it takes to make that person who wants them move on to
another vehicle that is not that secure. Just a thought.
Scott Thomas
97' Tj
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Coley [mailto:mt_b@y...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:12 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
To add to that, if someone wants to steel my rims they are gonna have
to deal with using a hi-lift or getting a BF jack, cause a small
lightweight portable jack wouldn't work to well. Plus I hope with
all the moss, mud and dirt on my wheels they may move on to something
nicer. I've noticed my wheels are starting to smell a bit, I
probably should wash them soon before they rot or something. =)
--- In az_vjc@y..., mike.chatfield@p... wrote:
> As with any security device, if a thief wants it bad enough --
he'll
> get it. Mostly we use security devices to make our vehicles harder
> to break into than the vehicle parked next to us.
>
> Its like the old joke about the two guys going hiking in bear
> country. One's putting on Hiking boots, the other running shoes.
> The guy putting on Hiking boots asks the other why hes putting on
> running shoes. His friend tells him, in case they see a bear so he
> can run fast. The guy putting on Hiking boots laughs and says that
> his friend is nuts if he thinks he can out run a bear. His friend
> replies "I don't have to out run the bear; I just have to out run
> YOU!"
>
> A professional thief can get into and steal any car, alarmed or not
> in less than 60 seconds. (Hence the movie title) An old socket and
a
> big hammer is all it takes for a thief to remove the locks, but
many
> won't go through the trouble for $50 - $150 rims when they can go
> down three cars and hit the low-rider with $500 rims.
>
> Of course you can alway deter thieves the way I do. Make sure your
> rims have rock dings and scrapes and the tires are missing small
> chunks and have rock scars on them. :)
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> > I agree with Linda, dont waste your time on wheel locks... the
only
> > one they make it difficult for to remove a wheel is you.
> >
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24848 From: <ansink@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:32am
Subject: FS: DT3000 Shocks for YJ (~ 4" lift)
The shocks are Doetsch Tech 3000. The specific information is as
follows:
Front: Part # DT3386
compressed 17"
extended 29 1/2"
Rear: Part # 32650 LL
compressed 14 1/2"
extended 24 1/2"
There is also a steering stabilizer (Explorer) that fits the stock
location. All of the shocks have only had approximately 3,000 miles
on them. They have never been offroad and are not bent/ dented in the
body either.
$70 obo
e-mail me at ansink@h...
24849 From: Dan Siegel <cruzeunit@y...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:44am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
Wheel locks are ok for a theft deterrent. But, Think about the very
real possibiliy of loosing or breaking one of the "keys" to the wheel
locks on the trail, when Its 100 degrees out, & there are 5 jeeps
behind you waiting for you to fix the flat. That happend to me once
(kinda) & I was very lucky that the lock came off with vise grips.
(so it wasn't doing much good as a lock or a lugnut anyway.)
After that all 5 of the locks went into the junk drawer in the garage.
Also... Ive broken the "keys" trying to tourque the locks down to
the recommended specs.
Dan Siegel
24850 From: <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 10:52am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
Thats why you carry an old socket that is just a little too small to
fit over the lock and a 3 pound hammer. Its called the "Backup
Key" :)
Another thing that works is a hammer and a punch, I've removed locks
I lost the key to this way before I learned about the old socket
trick.
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Siegel" <cruzeunit@y...> wrote:
> Wheel locks are ok for a theft deterrent. But, Think about the
very
> real possibiliy of loosing or breaking one of the "keys" to the
wheel
> locks on the trail, when Its 100 degrees out, & there are 5 jeeps
> behind you waiting for you to fix the flat. That happend to me once
> (kinda) & I was very lucky that the lock came off with vise grips.
> (so it wasn't doing much good as a lock or a lugnut anyway.)
> After that all 5 of the locks went into the junk drawer in the
garage.
> Also... Ive broken the "keys" trying to tourque the locks down to
> the recommended specs.
> Dan Siegel
24851 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 11:00am
Subject: Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
I am running 33" BFG MT's I picked up used from an AZVJC member. I
have run them my last 2 jeeps as well. Good highway ride, snow/wet
traction, and they work good on the rocks and mud. People say the
sidewall strength is not what it used to be, but mine have yet to
fail me. I did pop a bead off when I rolled my Jeep, but they were
aired down to 8 lbs so... The new Goodyear MT/R's are sweet though,
everyone seems to be happy with them on this board and another board
I post on.
Chris M
87 YJ
"There are two kinds of Jeepers, those that have rolled, and those
who are about to."
\
\
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joey K [mailto:joey@j...]
> Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:08 PM
> To: jeepindog@y...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
>
>
> I am thinkin' it is high too. Especially for Big O house brand
tires.
> Actually in the quote there are a couple of items that add to the
price but
> not significantly.
>
> Big O
> Big Foot MT 33x12.50R15 177.99 (too high) each w/warranty. The
white wagon
> wheels are 35.00 (acceptable but on the high side) each. labor is
17.50
> total.
>
> Goodyear Auto Service Center
> Wrangle MT/R 33x12.50R15 170.00 each w/out warrenty. Warranty 22.74
each
> tire. same wheels 34.99. Oh and add 10.73 labor each tire
(unacceptablly
> high) NOTE: quality tire.
>
> Discount
> Have not got there yet.
>
>
> I would add that the wheel locks are a necessary evil for piece of
mind.
> Those added seconds and fumbling by a would be thief could be the
difference
> between tires or no tires.
>
> I definitly will be shopping for a better deal.
>
> Joey K
> 93YJ
> www.desertjeep.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 7:39 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Suggestions for getting new tires.
> >
> >
> > You should definitely look into tires from
> > 4WheelPartsWholesalers. I got my tires there, and recommend them.
> > There prices are WAY better than the one you quoted. $1200 for
steel
> > wheels and only 33" tires? Good God! I hope that comes with 6
> > months of free gasoline!!!
> >
> > Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., linda luik <minihummer@w...> wrote:
> > > > I went through 4 33x9.50 MTs in a year. I have never sliced
the
> > > > 285/75r16 MTs (which are slightly wider than the 9.50s). So go
> > > figure.
> > > >
> > > > Don't waste your time on the wheel locks. I bought a set for
my
> > > > expensive Al alloy wheels and all they did was get in the
way. If
> > > you
> > > > want wheel locks you can have my old set. I think I still have
> > > them.
> > > >
> > > > Linda
> > > >
> > > > > Joey K wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > All/Anyone
> > > > > I am looking at getting some new shoes for the Jeep. White
Wagon
> > > > > Wheels and Mud Terrains. 33x12.50R15.
> > > > > Big O quoted me around $1,200 for a set of 5 Big O MT's.
That
> > > includes
> > > > > road hazard, balancing, stems etc. and a set of wheel locks.
> > > > > Changing a sliced Big O tire no questions and no money.
> > > > >
> > > > > Or should I go with the BFG MT's for about $170 dollars
more.
> > > (With
> > > > > same warranty).
> > > > > The difference being I will have to buy a new warranty every
> > flat.
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone got some suggestions or a better deal?
> > > > >
> > > > > Joey K
> > > > > 93YJ
> > > > > www.desertjeep.com
> > > > >
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> > > Service.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
>
>
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24852 From: JEEP THANG <jeep_thang@h...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 11:21am
Subject: Tucson OHV Park to Open end of month
For all who did not know, the Pima County OHV Park will be opening
at the end of this month. Got Check it out.
http://www.tucsoncitizen.com/local/
ANd read all about it.
WoooHooo
Sincerely: JEEP THANG
24853 From: <jaylalib@a...>
Date: Tue Jun 5, 2001 0:04pm
Subject: Gambler Wheels for sale(5)
I am selling 5 Gambler rims? Factory ones that come with the 30"
tire package. $175 or best offer.
Jason