blooddrive
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24729-24753
24729 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 6:42am
Subject: Re: Re: No_Slip install
I have always used a gasket but I use some 3M "gorilla snot" (weatherstrip
adhisive) to glue the gasket to the diff cover, then put a thin coat of RTV
on the gasket top... then the gasket dosent slide off of the cover AND it
seals!!!!!
GOOD LUCK FLEXY
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24730 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 11:38am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Linda Luik lead a trail run Saturday, June 2, 2001 across South End White Tanks Area
Even though the Az State Parks did their best to advertise
National Trails Day 4x4 evening trail ride we only had 13
vehicles on the trail with RickN and GlennM showing up later
on. The trail ride was advertised in the East Valley Tribune
and the Arizona Republic. I received a few calls about trail
conditions and a couple of crackpots left their own brand of
humor on the answering machine.
We met at the Loves Truckstop at Miller Rd (Exit 114) and I-10
at 5:30pm and waited until 6:00pm to give any latecomers a
chance. After that we crossed the freeway, aired down and
headed for the Appetizer Trail. ScottK and Sharky headed
off to play around in lower Tax Collector where GlennM found
them a little after 7:00pm. The rest of us dropped into the
wash and started up the trail. We had two novice drivers in
the group, Annette Radoccia and Michael Sturn, who were
really great about paying attention to the spotters. A few of
the drivers tried the harder lines and provided entertainment
and a few scares. Bob Carney gracefully piloted his restored
Jeep Scrambler over an obstacle that I though for sure was
going to crush in the passenger side. We also lost our first
tire. JoeyK put a 3" slice in a tire going through another
wedge obstacle at the end of the trail. RickN caught up with
us just as we were finishing the Appetizer.
From here we took off for Lower Tax Collector (LTC). MichaelS left
his stock TJ and rode with me. Here the group got a little
separated since the trail looks a lot different in the dark.
Part of the group found the right route and disappeared, the
rest of us followed ScottK to the wrong wash. Oops! After a
consultation we decided to go down LTC since I knew how to get
there.
We made it to the top of LTC just when the group that disappered
came up the trail. We turned everyone around and prepared to
go back down the trail. But first we had the raffle. Tickets were
sold for $1 each. I had 4 NTD t-shirts, the NTD banner, and a
magnetic light that plugged into the cigarette lighter as
prizes. The raffle netted $64.50 for the ASA4WDC Land Use
Fund. Way to go!!!
After the raffle we drove down LTC. We were all pretty tired and
took our time on the obstacles. ScottK, Sharky, and the folks in
the teal YJ left to run Upper Tax Collector and Firebird. The
little YJ was't really set up to do these trails. I hope they
made it through successfully.
At the end of the trail we took the wash south to the big sand
pile and then back to pavement. The truck stop has fast and free
air in the back. We refilled our tires. Said our farewells and
headed for home.
Click Here for more Information and to View Pictures
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
24731 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 11:55am
Subject: Re: Towing impressions with Airlift suspension airbags
Chris,
I also had to replace my front output shaft seal. Unfortunately this could not be done without removing the transfercase and splitting it open. Good luck with it.
Scott
Chris Krieg wrote:
Out on the trail I've had many people ask me about the Airlift airbags I
have in the rear coils of my TJ. They usually ask how much it helps towing.
Well, this weekend, I finaly found out. We towed my 1800lb popup camper up
to Woods Canyon Lake on the Mogollon rim.
Prior to installing the airbags, the backend on the TJ would sag when I
hooked up the trailer. My lights would always be shining too high and people
constantly flashed their highbeam lights at me. The backend would also
bounce a lot when going over bumps and I bottomed out a couple times. This
was even with the RS9000 shocks set to 5.
With the airbags, I set the bag pressure to 30psi (I normally run at the
minimum 5psi on the street) and it is back to normal level. That coupled
with the RS9000s set to 4.5 and the bouncy ride has gone away completely.
Except for the added weight of the trailer slowing it down, it rides like
there is no trailer there. I really like it.
Unfortunately, my trip was cut short by what I think is a leaky front output
shaft seal on my transfer case. I noticed the smell of gear oil on the
uphill stretches between Payson and Woods Canyon Lake. It wasn't leaking
that much, but it left its mark wherever it parked and it had me a bit
paranoid so I came back a day early in case it gave me problems on the way
home. I stopped in Payson on the way back and the XJ owner there checked my
tcase level. It was actually almost full. They through in a little extra and
I was off. No charge. Great guys. They also checked the tranny fluid and it
was fine. They leaking fluid was red so it was tcase fluid. Gonna drop the
skid tomorrow and verify the leak source.
Chris K
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24732 From: Randall A. Mutter <ramaz@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 4:01pm
Subject: Wheels 4 Sale
Hello All
I got a set of 4 aluminum Jeep wheels for sale. They are 15x7 (5 on 4.5 bolt pattern). Three wheels still have good tires on them. Asking $140 or best offer. See attached photo if interested.
RAM 95 Cherokee
Attachment: (image/jpeg) Tire.jpg [not stored]
24733 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 4:44pm
Subject: Body lift?
Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
In the meantime...
Lachlan
24734 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:03pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
I've got a 2" Performance Accessories kit and it is very complete. Their 1" kit lacks the front grill spaces so I can't recommend that kit. From everything I hear the Daystar 1" bodylift is the best. It replaces the stock body mounts with 1 piece 1" lifted poly mounts. It is very clean looking. From what I've seen I prefer the black color over the red (unless your name is Sharky ;)
Scott
jeepindog@yahoo.com wrote:
Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
In the meantime...
Lachlan
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24735 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:10pm
Subject: RE: Body lift?
Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is really a
"best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts (unless you install
the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic action
between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere around $70 mail
order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything it is suppose
to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most difficult job in
the world) ;)
There are other brands on the market that would certainly be able to do that
job just as well.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
In the meantime...
Lachlan
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24736 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:16pm
Subject: RE: Body lift?
Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me want to do one
on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory A/C and I've
heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I think I would
only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be worth it for
me to do it. Any insight?
Scott Thomas
97' Tj
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is really a
"best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts (unless you install
the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic action
between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere around $70 mail
order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything it is suppose
to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most difficult job in
the world) ;)
There are other brands on the market that would certainly be able to do that
job just as well.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
In the meantime...
Lachlan
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24737 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:22pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Yep, we turned in to the wrong wash at first. We were heading down the main wash going south and Linda was heading north. We all sort of thought the other group knew where we were and turned into the wash. I remember scouting this one day with JonL and MikeC and it doesn't go anywhere so we headed south to what Sharkey and I both thought was Lower Tax Collector. I guess it actually is Ross's version of Appetizer, though it remains unnamed as far as I know. Sharkey and I had already ran up it and back down before finding Linda. She told us this was a little more than some of the group was up for so we all headed up to where the trail crosses Upper and Lower Tax Collector. When we got there RickN was just finishing it up so Sharkey and I went on to Upper with him and the rest went south down Lower. The little YJ did his best and it was a struggle but he did it under his own power taking all of the bypasses. Right before the red Firebird there is a tree in the middle of the wash and the main route goes to the left. On the right is a gnarly little waterfall with some well placed 3' boulders on the left and a 70 degree wall on the right. I managed to get right up the top before gravity decided it wasn't my day. Even with RickN and sharkey providing ballast I couldn't keeping it from tipping to the right. I took out me treesaver and hooked up the winch to a nice looking mesquite. I made the mistake of not helping the winch with some throttle from the Jeep and ended up snapping the winchline. When the line snapped the TJ plopped over on its side onto the bank and then settled back onto all fours afters bouncing off the wall. Sharkey couldn't believe it when he couldn't find anybody damage. I guess thats the benefit of having the tires stick out so far because when it hit it only made contact at the rollbar behind the passengers door. So instead of making it up with the winch I carfelly backed down. Thankfully nobody was hurt when the line broke. I learned a lesson or two though. Always drape a jacket or something over the line. We all had mentioned it but nobody had one handy. Next time I won't pull until we do. Second always give it a little gogo gas to aid the winch. Third don't underestimate how much a kink in your line can weaken your cable. I will not be replacing it with another steel rope. This time around I am going to go with Masterpull's synthetic winchrope. Its much stronger, and far superior to wirerope. And you gotta love that cool purple color. There is a good article in the tech section under 'winch' at www.jeepwire.com for anyone that is interested. Anyway we drove over the Firebird and headed back to Love's to airup.
That was it. We all had a great time and I want to thank Linda for organizing this. Too bad more of you didn't make it. It was a beautiful night for wheeling.
Scott
AzVJC Website wrote:
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Linda Luik lead a trail run Saturday, June 2, 2001 across South End White Tanks Area
Even though the Az State Parks did their best to advertise
National Trails Day 4x4 evening trail ride we only had 13
vehicles on the trail with RickN and GlennM showing up later
on. The trail ride was advertised in the East Valley Tribune
and the Arizona Republic. I received a few calls about trail
conditions and a couple of crackpots left their own brand of
humor on the answering machine.
We met at the Loves Truckstop at Miller Rd (Exit 114) and I-10
at 5:30pm and waited until 6:00pm to give any latecomers a
chance. After that we crossed the freeway, aired down and
headed for the Appetizer Trail. ScottK and Sharky headed
off to play around in lower Tax Collector where GlennM found
them a little after 7:00pm. The rest of us dropped into the
wash and started up the trail. We had two novice drivers in
the group, Annette Radoccia and Michael Sturn, who were
really great about paying attention to the spotters. A few of
the drivers tried the harder lines and provided entertainment
and a few scares. Bob Carney gracefully piloted his restored
Jeep Scrambler over an obstacle that I though for sure was
going to crush in the passenger side. We also lost our first
tire. JoeyK put a 3" slice in a tire going through another
wedge obstacle at the end of the trail. RickN caught up with
us just as we were finishing the Appetizer.
From here we took off for Lower Tax Collector (LTC). MichaelS left
his stock TJ and rode with me. Here the group got a little
separated since the trail looks a lot different in the dark.
Part of the group found the right route and disappeared, the
rest of us followed ScottK to the wrong wash. Oops! After a
consultation we decided to go down LTC since I knew how to get
there.
We made it to the top of LTC just when the group that disappered
came up the trail. We turned everyone around and prepared to
go back down the trail. But first we had the raffle. Tickets were
sold for $1 each. I had 4 NTD t-shirts, the NTD banner, and a
magnetic light that plugged into the cigarette lighter as
prizes. The raffle netted $64.50 for the ASA4WDC Land Use
Fund. Way to go!!!
After the raffle we drove down LTC. We were all pretty tired and
took our time on the obstacles. ScottK, Sharky, and the folks in
the teal YJ left to run Upper Tax Collector and Firebird. The
little YJ was't really set up to do these trails. I hope they
made it through successfully.
At the end of the trail we took the wash south to the big sand
pile and then back to pavement. The truck stop has fast and free
air in the back. We refilled our tires. Said our farewells and
headed for home.
Click Here for more Information and to View Pictures
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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24738 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:35pm
Subject: RE: Body lift?
I have factory A/C on my '98TJ and I put a 1" BL on it. There was no
clearance issues with the A/C.
As to being worth it??? Well, if you need an extra 1" of clerance in your
fender wells, it is very much worth it. Without it, I woldn't fit 35" tires
on mine with the setup I have. If you don't need the extra inch, then there
would be no reason to do it unless you were doing some other kind of mod
that required the body to be higher, perhaps a custom gas tank lift or some
of the belly-up skids.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me want to do one
on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory A/C and I've
heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I think I would
only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be worth it for
me to do it. Any insight?
Scott Thomas
97' Tj
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is really a
"best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts (unless you install
the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic action
between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere around $70 mail
order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything it is suppose
to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most difficult job in
the world) ;)
There are other brands on the market that would certainly be able to do that
job just as well.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
In the meantime...
Lachlan
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24739 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:35pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
Scott,
I have a 97 TJ and a 1" BL does make a difference. I also have AC. The main
thing to watch out for is you will have to lower your fan shroud and keep an
eye on your O2 sensor to make sure it has slack. I had to undo mine at the
top and re-route it to give it slack. I used .99c hockey pucks and so far
they are doing ok after nearly a year. I think I would trend more toward the
Daystar kit over the others. With a 2.5" lift and 1" BL I am running 33 x
12.5 MT's with very little rubbing. I do need to add an inch to my bump
stops for extreme scenarios.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
To: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me want to do
one
> on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory A/C and I've
> heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I think I would
> only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be worth it
for
> me to do it. Any insight?
>
> Scott Thomas
> 97' Tj
24740 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:36pm
Subject: Trail run this Wednesday
I'll be leading a run down here in Tucson this coming Wednesday, 6/6/01. I am going to be going in to Chiva Falls through Italian Trap and out through Three Feathers with a possible stop off at Three Ponds.
For those not familiar with this trail, on a 1 - 5 rating system it usually rates at between a 3 and a 4 depending on water (if any) and if the last group through wimped out and stacked rocks. I have made this trail in a stock YJ with 215/75R15's and no traction devices, it was a little tricking in some spots and there is the possibility of dents to the underside of a non-lifted vehicle, but it is do-able.
I'll be meeting at the Safeway at the corner of Tanque Verde and Catalina Highway at 8:00AM and leaving shortly after that. Expect between 6 and 8 hours from start to finish, please remember to bring lunch, sunscreen and LOTS of fluids, the weather channel I watch is predicting around 105 as the high that day. If there is any water at Three Ponds (there usually is) you might consider bringing something to wear for a quick dip to cool down.
If anyone has questions or needs directions please feel free to e-mail me on or off list.
Hal Loy
Tucson Roughriders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@earthlink.net
I Jeep, therefore I am.
24741 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:48pm
Subject: RE: [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Glad to hear you and the TJ are both OK, Scott! The part about the winch line is rather sobering for sure!
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:23 PM
To: AzVJC Website; AzVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Yep, we turned in to the wrong wash at first. We were heading down the main wash going south and Linda was heading north. We all sort of thought the other group knew where we were and turned into the wash. I remember scouting this one day with JonL and MikeC and it doesn't go anywhere so we headed south to what Sharkey and I both thought was Lower Tax Collector. I guess it actually is Ross's version of Appetizer, though it remains unnamed as far as I know. Sharkey and I had already ran up it and back down before finding Linda. She told us this was a little more than some of the group was up for so we all headed up to where the trail crosses Upper and Lower Tax Collector. When we got there RickN was just finishing it up so Sharkey and I went on to Upper with him and the rest went south down Lower. The little YJ did his best and it was a struggle but he did it under his own power taking all of the bypasses. Right before the red Firebird there is a tree in the middle of the wash and the main route goes to the left. On the right is a gnarly little waterfall with some well placed 3' boulders on the left and a 70 degree wall on the right. I managed to get right up the top before gravity decided it wasn't my day. Even with RickN and sharkey providing ballast I couldn't keeping it from tipping to the right. I took out me treesaver and hooked up the winch to a nice looking mesquite. I made the mistake of not helping the winch with some throttle from the Jeep and ended up snapping the winchline. When the line snapped the TJ plopped over on its side onto the bank and then settled back onto all fours afters bouncing off the wall. Sharkey couldn't believe it when he couldn't find anybody damage. I guess thats the benefit of having the tires stick out so far because when it hit it only made contact at the rollbar behind the passengers door. So instead of making it up with the winch I carfelly backed down. Thankfully nobody was hurt when the line broke. I learned a lesson or two though. Always drape a jacket or something over the line. We all had mentioned it but nobody had one handy. Next time I won't pull until we do. Second always give it a little gogo gas to aid the winch. Third don't underestimate how much a kink in your line can weaken your cable. I will not be replacing it with another steel rope. This time around I am going to go with Masterpull's synthetic winchrope. Its much stronger, and far superior to wirerope. And you gotta love that cool purple color. There is a good article in the tech section under 'winch' at www.jeepwire.com for anyone that is interested. Anyway we drove over the Firebird and headed back to Love's to airup.
That was it. We all had a great time and I want to thank Linda for organizing this. Too bad more of you didn't make it. It was a beautiful night for wheeling.
Scott
AzVJC Website wrote:
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Linda Luik lead a trail run Saturday, June 2, 2001 across South End White Tanks Area
Even though the Az State Parks did their best to advertise
National Trails Day 4x4 evening trail ride we only had 13
vehicles on the trail with RickN and GlennM showing up later
on. The trail ride was advertised in the East Valley Tribune
and the Arizona Republic. I received a few calls about trail
conditions and a couple of crackpots left their own brand of
humor on the answering machine.
We met at the Loves Truckstop at Miller Rd (Exit 114) and I-10
at 5:30pm and waited until 6:00pm to give any latecomers a
chance. After that we crossed the freeway, aired down and
headed for the Appetizer Trail. ScottK and Sharky headed
off to play around in lower Tax Collector where GlennM found
them a little after 7:00pm. The rest of us dropped into the
wash and started up the trail. We had two novice drivers in
the group, Annette Radoccia and Michael Sturn, who were
really great about paying attention to the spotters. A few of
the drivers tried the harder lines and provided entertainment
and a few scares. Bob Carney gracefully piloted his restored
Jeep Scrambler over an obstacle that I though for sure was
going to crush in the passenger side. We also lost our first
tire. JoeyK put a 3" slice in a tire going through another
wedge obstacle at the end of the trail. RickN caught up with
us just as we were finishing the Appetizer.
From here we took off for Lower Tax Collector (LTC). MichaelS left
his stock TJ and rode with me. Here the group got a little
separated since the trail looks a lot different in the dark.
Part of the group found the right route and disappeared, the
rest of us followed ScottK to the wrong wash. Oops! After a
consultation we decided to go down LTC since I knew how to get
there.
We made it to the top of LTC just when the group that disappered
came up the trail. We turned everyone around and prepared to
go back down the trail. But first we had the raffle. Tickets were
sold for $1 each. I had 4 NTD t-shirts, the NTD banner, and a
magnetic light that plugged into the cigarette lighter as
prizes. The raffle netted $64.50 for the ASA4WDC Land Use
Fund. Way to go!!!
After the raffle we drove down LTC. We were all pretty tired and
took our time on the obstacles. ScottK, Sharky, and the folks in
the teal YJ left to run Upper Tax Collector and Firebird. The
little YJ was't really set up to do these trails. I hope they
made it through successfully.
At the end of the trail we took the wash south to the big sand
pile and then back to pavement. The truck stop has fast and free
air in the back. We refilled our tires. Said our farewells and
headed for home.
Click Here for more Information and to View Pictures
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Proud owner of "Daddy Longlegs"
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24742 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:54pm
Subject: RE: [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Linda,
Thank you for the great National Trails Day (night) run. I very much enjoyed having fun and meeting new people along with seeing some familiar faces as well.
Now I have an excuse to get those new shoes for the Jeep. I guess I got a job just in time.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
-----Original Message-----
From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:38 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Linda Luik lead a trail run Saturday, June 2, 2001 across South End White Tanks Area
Even though the Az State Parks did their best to advertise
National Trails Day 4x4 evening trail ride we only had 13
vehicles on the trail with RickN and GlennM showing up later
on. The trail ride was advertised in the East Valley Tribune
and the Arizona Republic. I received a few calls about trail
conditions and a couple of crackpots left their own brand of
humor on the answering machine.
We met at the Loves Truckstop at Miller Rd (Exit 114) and I-10
at 5:30pm and waited until 6:00pm to give any latecomers a
chance. After that we crossed the freeway, aired down and
headed for the Appetizer Trail. ScottK and Sharky headed
off to play around in lower Tax Collector where GlennM found
them a little after 7:00pm. The rest of us dropped into the
wash and started up the trail. We had two novice drivers in
the group, Annette Radoccia and Michael Sturn, who were
really great about paying attention to the spotters. A few of
the drivers tried the harder lines and provided entertainment
and a few scares. Bob Carney gracefully piloted his restored
Jeep Scrambler over an obstacle that I though for sure was
going to crush in the passenger side. We also lost our first
tire. JoeyK put a 3" slice in a tire going through another
wedge obstacle at the end of the trail. RickN caught up with
us just as we were finishing the Appetizer.
From here we took off for Lower Tax Collector (LTC). MichaelS left
his stock TJ and rode with me. Here the group got a little
separated since the trail looks a lot different in the dark.
Part of the group found the right route and disappeared, the
rest of us followed ScottK to the wrong wash. Oops! After a
consultation we decided to go down LTC since I knew how to get
there.
We made it to the top of LTC just when the group that disappered
came up the trail. We turned everyone around and prepared to
go back down the trail. But first we had the raffle. Tickets were
sold for $1 each. I had 4 NTD t-shirts, the NTD banner, and a
magnetic light that plugged into the cigarette lighter as
prizes. The raffle netted $64.50 for the ASA4WDC Land Use
Fund. Way to go!!!
After the raffle we drove down LTC. We were all pretty tired and
took our time on the obstacles. ScottK, Sharky, and the folks in
the teal YJ left to run Upper Tax Collector and Firebird. The
little YJ was't really set up to do these trails. I hope they
made it through successfully.
At the end of the trail we took the wash south to the big sand
pile and then back to pavement. The truck stop has fast and free
air in the back. We refilled our tires. Said our farewells and
headed for home.
Click Here for more Information and to View Pictures
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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24743 From: Dan Siegel <cruzeunit@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 6:31pm
Subject: Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
I am considering doing the Tera Low 4:1 in my CJ-7. (dana 300,
automatic, 3:07's???). My question is for all of you that have done
the conversion...
Is it really worth it?
Does it really make a huge difference? (like going from unlocked to
locked)
I can get through the 4-4.5 trails now with out too much hassle. I
just don't know if my money will be better spent on somthing else..
TIA
Dan Siegel
24744 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 6:45pm
Subject: RE: Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
Dan,
I put in a 4:1 two months ago. Best thing I did for traction since putting
in a Detroit.
I did it with 4.56 gears. With your 3.07 gears, it will be even more
noticable crawling up the washes. I have yet to meet a 4:1 owner who didn't
enjoy the new found crawl speed!
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Siegel [mailto:cruzeunit@y...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
I am considering doing the Tera Low 4:1 in my CJ-7. (dana 300,
automatic, 3:07's???). My question is for all of you that have done
the conversion...
Is it really worth it?
Does it really make a huge difference? (like going from unlocked to
locked)
I can get through the 4-4.5 trails now with out too much hassle. I
just don't know if my money will be better spent on somthing else..
TIA
Dan Siegel
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24745 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 3:09pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
Well if I had known they were red I would have gotten those...awe
shucks...lol
Sharky
24746 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 7:28pm
Subject: extended lines for your TJ
Many of you TJ owners may have already done this, but I just got around to
doing it yesterday....extended front brake hoses for my TJ.
You can spend significant $$ for the "extended hoses", but if you want to
save some money, bolt on a set of stock YJ lines. $36 a pair at Checker
Auto.
Details (pics and write-up) at www.stu-offroad.com Scroll to the "Do it
Yourself" section and select the link for the "extended front brake hose"
project.
Stu
24747 From: <jeepw99@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 7:31pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
With the 1" BL, what size Suspension lift will be needed to run 35s?
I'm going to lift my TJ and was going to go with 33s, but after
reading all the posts it has convinced me to go with 35s.
Would a 4" RE or Teraflex with the 1" BL and 1" motor mounts be able
to handle the 35 x 12.50?
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> I have factory A/C on my '98TJ and I put a 1" BL on it. There was
no
> clearance issues with the A/C.
>
> As to being worth it??? Well, if you need an extra 1" of clerance
in your
> fender wells, it is very much worth it. Without it, I woldn't fit
35" tires
> on mine with the setup I have. If you don't need the extra inch,
then there
> would be no reason to do it unless you were doing some other kind
of mod
> that required the body to be higher, perhaps a custom gas tank lift
or some
> of the belly-up skids.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
> To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
>
>
> Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me want
to do one
> on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory A/C
and I've
> heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I think I
would
> only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be
worth it for
> me to do it. Any insight?
>
> Scott Thomas
> 97' Tj
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
>
>
> Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is
really a
> "best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts (unless
you install
> the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
>
> I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic
action
> between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
>
> PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere around
$70 mail
> order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything it is
suppose
> to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most difficult
job in
> the world) ;)
>
> There are other brands on the market that would certainly be able
to do that
> job just as well.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
>
>
> Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
> particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
> and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
> Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
>
> In the meantime...
>
> Lachlan
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
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24748 From: <jal@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
I second Stu's comments. I love my TeraLow. Having said that, though,
you will probably notice somewhat less of a dramatic difference since
you have an automatic. Automatics by nature act somewhat like low
gearing. You can literally come to a complete stop and the transition
between stop and start is smooth with an automatic. I have ridden in
an automatic with 4:1, though, and it is sweet.
Jon
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Dan,
> I put in a 4:1 two months ago. Best thing I did for traction since
putting
> in a Detroit.
>
> I did it with 4.56 gears. With your 3.07 gears, it will be even
more
> noticable crawling up the washes. I have yet to meet a 4:1 owner
who didn't
> enjoy the new found crawl speed!
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Siegel [mailto:cruzeunit@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:32 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
>
>
> I am considering doing the Tera Low 4:1 in my CJ-7. (dana 300,
> automatic, 3:07's???). My question is for all of you that have done
> the conversion...
> Is it really worth it?
> Does it really make a huge difference? (like going from unlocked to
> locked)
> I can get through the 4-4.5 trails now with out too much hassle. I
> just don't know if my money will be better spent on somthing else..
> TIA
> Dan Siegel
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24749 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 8:03pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
According to everything I have ever read about lift heights for
TJs, you'd need any suspension system that will allow you to run 33"
tires, which equates to any 4" lift. As far as a body lift and motor
mount go, you'll only need that combination if you plan on running
either a flat skidplate with a slip-yoke eliminator and CV
driveshaft, or no SYE with the stock driveshaft and the transfer case
lowering spacers that will undoubtedly come with whatever kit you
get. I would recommend the slip-yoke elim and CV shaft, as that will
be both stronger than stock, and vibration free! Hope this helps.
Have you considered the Tomken 4" system? It is only $940 and it
includes upper and lower arms for front and rear, 4 coils, sway bar
disconnects, and related hardware. The heim-style joints on the ends
of the control arms are made by Currie, so reliability is assured.
The other kit you should look at is the 5.5" system from
Rockcrawler. Check out www.Tomken.com and www.rockkrawler.com to see
which is best for you. The Tomken kit doesn't require a sye, but the
Rockkrawler does, so budget accordingly. There's no cheap route to
getting set up to spin 35s...
Lachlan '98 TJ
o|||||o
24750 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
I've got the JKS (http://www.jksmfg.com) 1.25" body lift. I didn't
have any problems installing it ('99 TJ with AC) and had it and my 1"
motor mounts from MORE installed in a little over and hour (with some
help).
Keep in mind, if you're installing a body lift the same time as you
install raised motor mounts, you won't have to do anything to the
radiator shroud.
As far as clearance for running 35" tires, you'll need at least 4" of
lift. A Teraflex or Rubicon Express lift should do the trick. Keep in
mind all 35" tires are not really 35" in dia. I can just barely tuck
my 35"x12.5" Good Year MT/R's with only the most minor of rubbing on
my flares. Without the body lift, I probably wouldn't be able to get
them up there that tight.
As someone else mentioned, you're going to need a slip yoke
eliminator to go along with the lift required to run 35" tires. It's
sort of a hidden cost (around $300 for the parts, but the
installation isn't too bad if you decide to do it yourself). The
benefit of running only 33" tires is that you can probably get by
with a 3" lift and body lift and just drop the transfer case a bit to
keep those driveline angles happy. Once you decide you want to run
those bigger tires, there's a little bit more to add to the mod list.
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
> With the 1" BL, what size Suspension lift will be needed to run
35s?
> I'm going to lift my TJ and was going to go with 33s, but after
> reading all the posts it has convinced me to go with 35s.
>
> Would a 4" RE or Teraflex with the 1" BL and 1" motor mounts be
able
> to handle the 35 x 12.50?
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > I have factory A/C on my '98TJ and I put a 1" BL on it. There
was
> no
> > clearance issues with the A/C.
> >
> > As to being worth it??? Well, if you need an extra 1" of
clerance
> in your
> > fender wells, it is very much worth it. Without it, I woldn't
fit
> 35" tires
> > on mine with the setup I have. If you don't need the extra inch,
> then there
> > would be no reason to do it unless you were doing some other kind
> of mod
> > that required the body to be higher, perhaps a custom gas tank
lift
> or some
> > of the belly-up skids.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
> > To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> >
> >
> > Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me want
> to do one
> > on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory A/C
> and I've
> > heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I think
I
> would
> > only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be
> worth it for
> > me to do it. Any insight?
> >
> > Scott Thomas
> > 97' Tj
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> >
> >
> > Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is
> really a
> > "best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts (unless
> you install
> > the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
> >
> > I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic
> action
> > between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
> >
> > PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere around
> $70 mail
> > order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything it
is
> suppose
> > to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most
difficult
> job in
> > the world) ;)
> >
> > There are other brands on the market that would certainly be able
> to do that
> > job just as well.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> >
> >
> > Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
> > particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my
Jeep,
> > and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
> > Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
> >
> > In the meantime...
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24751 From: <jaylalib@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 8:52pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
What is the purpose of doing the 1" motor mounts? I am thinking of
doing a 1" body lift as well, I have a 2" suspension lift on my 99 TJ
but I have put on 33" 12.5s, they rub a little.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> I've got the JKS (http://www.jksmfg.com) 1.25" body lift. I didn't
> have any problems installing it ('99 TJ with AC) and had it and my
1"
> motor mounts from MORE installed in a little over and hour (with
some
> help).
>
> Keep in mind, if you're installing a body lift the same time as you
> install raised motor mounts, you won't have to do anything to the
> radiator shroud.
>
> As far as clearance for running 35" tires, you'll need at least 4"
of
> lift. A Teraflex or Rubicon Express lift should do the trick. Keep
in
> mind all 35" tires are not really 35" in dia. I can just barely
tuck
> my 35"x12.5" Good Year MT/R's with only the most minor of rubbing
on
> my flares. Without the body lift, I probably wouldn't be able to
get
> them up there that tight.
>
> As someone else mentioned, you're going to need a slip yoke
> eliminator to go along with the lift required to run 35" tires.
It's
> sort of a hidden cost (around $300 for the parts, but the
> installation isn't too bad if you decide to do it yourself). The
> benefit of running only 33" tires is that you can probably get by
> with a 3" lift and body lift and just drop the transfer case a bit
to
> keep those driveline angles happy. Once you decide you want to run
> those bigger tires, there's a little bit more to add to the mod
list.
>
>
> Brent
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
> > With the 1" BL, what size Suspension lift will be needed to run
> 35s?
> > I'm going to lift my TJ and was going to go with 33s, but after
> > reading all the posts it has convinced me to go with 35s.
> >
> > Would a 4" RE or Teraflex with the 1" BL and 1" motor mounts be
> able
> > to handle the 35 x 12.50?
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > > I have factory A/C on my '98TJ and I put a 1" BL on it. There
> was
> > no
> > > clearance issues with the A/C.
> > >
> > > As to being worth it??? Well, if you need an extra 1" of
> clerance
> > in your
> > > fender wells, it is very much worth it. Without it, I woldn't
> fit
> > 35" tires
> > > on mine with the setup I have. If you don't need the extra
inch,
> > then there
> > > would be no reason to do it unless you were doing some other
kind
> > of mod
> > > that required the body to be higher, perhaps a custom gas tank
> lift
> > or some
> > > of the belly-up skids.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
> > > To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me
want
> > to do one
> > > on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory
A/C
> > and I've
> > > heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I
think
> I
> > would
> > > only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be
> > worth it for
> > > me to do it. Any insight?
> > >
> > > Scott Thomas
> > > 97' Tj
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is
> > really a
> > > "best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts
(unless
> > you install
> > > the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
> > >
> > > I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic
> > action
> > > between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
> > >
> > > PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere
around
> > $70 mail
> > > order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything
it
> is
> > suppose
> > > to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most
> difficult
> > job in
> > > the world) ;)
> > >
> > > There are other brands on the market that would certainly be
able
> > to do that
> > > job just as well.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
> > > particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my
> Jeep,
> > > and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday
adding a
> > > Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
> > >
> > > In the meantime...
> > >
> > > Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24752 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:04pm
Subject: Re: Re: Body lift?
The RE 4.5" plus a 1" body is enough for the 35"s. I have it on mine and
it works great.
Sharky
24753 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 9:13pm
Subject: RE: Re: Body lift?
The 1" motor mount lift is pretty easy to do and compliments the body lift.
I did both on my TJ. I did not need to install the t-case linkage adapter
that came with the body lift since the t-case was raise some when the motor
went up. This will usually eliminate the tub clearance problem (around the
gear shift lever) that can sometimes occur. It also causes the output shaft
on your t-case to drop a bit. In my case, it was enough that I was able to
pull the t-case lowering kit and still keep the rear drive shaft vibes away
(when I was running a 2" coil lift). :)
The last benefit you get with the motor mount lift is that your oil pan is
raised up an inch and more out of harms way. Also, since your motor went up
with your body lift, you don't have to do any fan shroud adjustment which is
required when you do only the body lift.
Don't get me wrong....none of the issues that arise from a body lift are
that difficult to deal with. It is just that the motor mount lift being
done at the same time makes for no problems at all.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jaylalib@a... [mailto:jaylalib@a...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:53 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Body lift?
What is the purpose of doing the 1" motor mounts? I am thinking of
doing a 1" body lift as well, I have a 2" suspension lift on my 99 TJ
but I have put on 33" 12.5s, they rub a little.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> I've got the JKS (http://www.jksmfg.com) 1.25" body lift. I didn't
> have any problems installing it ('99 TJ with AC) and had it and my
1"
> motor mounts from MORE installed in a little over and hour (with
some
> help).
>
> Keep in mind, if you're installing a body lift the same time as you
> install raised motor mounts, you won't have to do anything to the
> radiator shroud.
>
> As far as clearance for running 35" tires, you'll need at least 4"
of
> lift. A Teraflex or Rubicon Express lift should do the trick. Keep
in
> mind all 35" tires are not really 35" in dia. I can just barely
tuck
> my 35"x12.5" Good Year MT/R's with only the most minor of rubbing
on
> my flares. Without the body lift, I probably wouldn't be able to
get
> them up there that tight.
>
> As someone else mentioned, you're going to need a slip yoke
> eliminator to go along with the lift required to run 35" tires.
It's
> sort of a hidden cost (around $300 for the parts, but the
> installation isn't too bad if you decide to do it yourself). The
> benefit of running only 33" tires is that you can probably get by
> with a 3" lift and body lift and just drop the transfer case a bit
to
> keep those driveline angles happy. Once you decide you want to run
> those bigger tires, there's a little bit more to add to the mod
list.
>
>
> Brent
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
> > With the 1" BL, what size Suspension lift will be needed to run
> 35s?
> > I'm going to lift my TJ and was going to go with 33s, but after
> > reading all the posts it has convinced me to go with 35s.
> >
> > Would a 4" RE or Teraflex with the 1" BL and 1" motor mounts be
> able
> > to handle the 35 x 12.50?
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > > I have factory A/C on my '98TJ and I put a 1" BL on it. There
> was
> > no
> > > clearance issues with the A/C.
> > >
> > > As to being worth it??? Well, if you need an extra 1" of
> clerance
> > in your
> > > fender wells, it is very much worth it. Without it, I woldn't
> fit
> > 35" tires
> > > on mine with the setup I have. If you don't need the extra
inch,
> > then there
> > > would be no reason to do it unless you were doing some other
kind
> > of mod
> > > that required the body to be higher, perhaps a custom gas tank
> lift
> > or some
> > > of the belly-up skids.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
> > > To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me
want
> > to do one
> > > on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory
A/C
> > and I've
> > > heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I
think
> I
> > would
> > > only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be
> > worth it for
> > > me to do it. Any insight?
> > >
> > > Scott Thomas
> > > 97' Tj
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is
> > really a
> > > "best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts
(unless
> > you install
> > > the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
> > >
> > > I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic
> > action
> > > between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
> > >
> > > PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere
around
> > $70 mail
> > > order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything
it
> is
> > suppose
> > > to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most
> difficult
> > job in
> > > the world) ;)
> > >
> > > There are other brands on the market that would certainly be
able
> > to do that
> > > job just as well.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
> > > particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my
> Jeep,
> > > and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday
adding a
> > > Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
> > >
> > > In the meantime...
> > >
> > > Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
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24729 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 6:42am
Subject: Re: Re: No_Slip install
I have always used a gasket but I use some 3M "gorilla snot" (weatherstrip
adhisive) to glue the gasket to the diff cover, then put a thin coat of RTV
on the gasket top... then the gasket dosent slide off of the cover AND it
seals!!!!!
GOOD LUCK FLEXY
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24730 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 11:38am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Linda Luik lead a trail run Saturday, June 2, 2001 across South End White Tanks Area
Even though the Az State Parks did their best to advertise
National Trails Day 4x4 evening trail ride we only had 13
vehicles on the trail with RickN and GlennM showing up later
on. The trail ride was advertised in the East Valley Tribune
and the Arizona Republic. I received a few calls about trail
conditions and a couple of crackpots left their own brand of
humor on the answering machine.
We met at the Loves Truckstop at Miller Rd (Exit 114) and I-10
at 5:30pm and waited until 6:00pm to give any latecomers a
chance. After that we crossed the freeway, aired down and
headed for the Appetizer Trail. ScottK and Sharky headed
off to play around in lower Tax Collector where GlennM found
them a little after 7:00pm. The rest of us dropped into the
wash and started up the trail. We had two novice drivers in
the group, Annette Radoccia and Michael Sturn, who were
really great about paying attention to the spotters. A few of
the drivers tried the harder lines and provided entertainment
and a few scares. Bob Carney gracefully piloted his restored
Jeep Scrambler over an obstacle that I though for sure was
going to crush in the passenger side. We also lost our first
tire. JoeyK put a 3" slice in a tire going through another
wedge obstacle at the end of the trail. RickN caught up with
us just as we were finishing the Appetizer.
From here we took off for Lower Tax Collector (LTC). MichaelS left
his stock TJ and rode with me. Here the group got a little
separated since the trail looks a lot different in the dark.
Part of the group found the right route and disappeared, the
rest of us followed ScottK to the wrong wash. Oops! After a
consultation we decided to go down LTC since I knew how to get
there.
We made it to the top of LTC just when the group that disappered
came up the trail. We turned everyone around and prepared to
go back down the trail. But first we had the raffle. Tickets were
sold for $1 each. I had 4 NTD t-shirts, the NTD banner, and a
magnetic light that plugged into the cigarette lighter as
prizes. The raffle netted $64.50 for the ASA4WDC Land Use
Fund. Way to go!!!
After the raffle we drove down LTC. We were all pretty tired and
took our time on the obstacles. ScottK, Sharky, and the folks in
the teal YJ left to run Upper Tax Collector and Firebird. The
little YJ was't really set up to do these trails. I hope they
made it through successfully.
At the end of the trail we took the wash south to the big sand
pile and then back to pavement. The truck stop has fast and free
air in the back. We refilled our tires. Said our farewells and
headed for home.
Click Here for more Information and to View Pictures
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
24731 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 11:55am
Subject: Re: Towing impressions with Airlift suspension airbags
Chris,
I also had to replace my front output shaft seal. Unfortunately this could not be done without removing the transfercase and splitting it open. Good luck with it.
Scott
Chris Krieg wrote:
Out on the trail I've had many people ask me about the Airlift airbags I
have in the rear coils of my TJ. They usually ask how much it helps towing.
Well, this weekend, I finaly found out. We towed my 1800lb popup camper up
to Woods Canyon Lake on the Mogollon rim.
Prior to installing the airbags, the backend on the TJ would sag when I
hooked up the trailer. My lights would always be shining too high and people
constantly flashed their highbeam lights at me. The backend would also
bounce a lot when going over bumps and I bottomed out a couple times. This
was even with the RS9000 shocks set to 5.
With the airbags, I set the bag pressure to 30psi (I normally run at the
minimum 5psi on the street) and it is back to normal level. That coupled
with the RS9000s set to 4.5 and the bouncy ride has gone away completely.
Except for the added weight of the trailer slowing it down, it rides like
there is no trailer there. I really like it.
Unfortunately, my trip was cut short by what I think is a leaky front output
shaft seal on my transfer case. I noticed the smell of gear oil on the
uphill stretches between Payson and Woods Canyon Lake. It wasn't leaking
that much, but it left its mark wherever it parked and it had me a bit
paranoid so I came back a day early in case it gave me problems on the way
home. I stopped in Payson on the way back and the XJ owner there checked my
tcase level. It was actually almost full. They through in a little extra and
I was off. No charge. Great guys. They also checked the tranny fluid and it
was fine. They leaking fluid was red so it was tcase fluid. Gonna drop the
skid tomorrow and verify the leak source.
Chris K
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24732 From: Randall A. Mutter <ramaz@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 4:01pm
Subject: Wheels 4 Sale
Hello All
I got a set of 4 aluminum Jeep wheels for sale. They are 15x7 (5 on 4.5 bolt pattern). Three wheels still have good tires on them. Asking $140 or best offer. See attached photo if interested.
RAM 95 Cherokee
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24733 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 4:44pm
Subject: Body lift?
Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
In the meantime...
Lachlan
24734 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:03pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
I've got a 2" Performance Accessories kit and it is very complete. Their 1" kit lacks the front grill spaces so I can't recommend that kit. From everything I hear the Daystar 1" bodylift is the best. It replaces the stock body mounts with 1 piece 1" lifted poly mounts. It is very clean looking. From what I've seen I prefer the black color over the red (unless your name is Sharky ;)
Scott
jeepindog@yahoo.com wrote:
Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
In the meantime...
Lachlan
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24735 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:10pm
Subject: RE: Body lift?
Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is really a
"best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts (unless you install
the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic action
between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere around $70 mail
order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything it is suppose
to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most difficult job in
the world) ;)
There are other brands on the market that would certainly be able to do that
job just as well.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
In the meantime...
Lachlan
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24736 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:16pm
Subject: RE: Body lift?
Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me want to do one
on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory A/C and I've
heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I think I would
only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be worth it for
me to do it. Any insight?
Scott Thomas
97' Tj
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is really a
"best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts (unless you install
the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic action
between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere around $70 mail
order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything it is suppose
to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most difficult job in
the world) ;)
There are other brands on the market that would certainly be able to do that
job just as well.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
In the meantime...
Lachlan
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24737 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:22pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Yep, we turned in to the wrong wash at first. We were heading down the main wash going south and Linda was heading north. We all sort of thought the other group knew where we were and turned into the wash. I remember scouting this one day with JonL and MikeC and it doesn't go anywhere so we headed south to what Sharkey and I both thought was Lower Tax Collector. I guess it actually is Ross's version of Appetizer, though it remains unnamed as far as I know. Sharkey and I had already ran up it and back down before finding Linda. She told us this was a little more than some of the group was up for so we all headed up to where the trail crosses Upper and Lower Tax Collector. When we got there RickN was just finishing it up so Sharkey and I went on to Upper with him and the rest went south down Lower. The little YJ did his best and it was a struggle but he did it under his own power taking all of the bypasses. Right before the red Firebird there is a tree in the middle of the wash and the main route goes to the left. On the right is a gnarly little waterfall with some well placed 3' boulders on the left and a 70 degree wall on the right. I managed to get right up the top before gravity decided it wasn't my day. Even with RickN and sharkey providing ballast I couldn't keeping it from tipping to the right. I took out me treesaver and hooked up the winch to a nice looking mesquite. I made the mistake of not helping the winch with some throttle from the Jeep and ended up snapping the winchline. When the line snapped the TJ plopped over on its side onto the bank and then settled back onto all fours afters bouncing off the wall. Sharkey couldn't believe it when he couldn't find anybody damage. I guess thats the benefit of having the tires stick out so far because when it hit it only made contact at the rollbar behind the passengers door. So instead of making it up with the winch I carfelly backed down. Thankfully nobody was hurt when the line broke. I learned a lesson or two though. Always drape a jacket or something over the line. We all had mentioned it but nobody had one handy. Next time I won't pull until we do. Second always give it a little gogo gas to aid the winch. Third don't underestimate how much a kink in your line can weaken your cable. I will not be replacing it with another steel rope. This time around I am going to go with Masterpull's synthetic winchrope. Its much stronger, and far superior to wirerope. And you gotta love that cool purple color. There is a good article in the tech section under 'winch' at www.jeepwire.com for anyone that is interested. Anyway we drove over the Firebird and headed back to Love's to airup.
That was it. We all had a great time and I want to thank Linda for organizing this. Too bad more of you didn't make it. It was a beautiful night for wheeling.
Scott
AzVJC Website wrote:
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Linda Luik lead a trail run Saturday, June 2, 2001 across South End White Tanks Area
Even though the Az State Parks did their best to advertise
National Trails Day 4x4 evening trail ride we only had 13
vehicles on the trail with RickN and GlennM showing up later
on. The trail ride was advertised in the East Valley Tribune
and the Arizona Republic. I received a few calls about trail
conditions and a couple of crackpots left their own brand of
humor on the answering machine.
We met at the Loves Truckstop at Miller Rd (Exit 114) and I-10
at 5:30pm and waited until 6:00pm to give any latecomers a
chance. After that we crossed the freeway, aired down and
headed for the Appetizer Trail. ScottK and Sharky headed
off to play around in lower Tax Collector where GlennM found
them a little after 7:00pm. The rest of us dropped into the
wash and started up the trail. We had two novice drivers in
the group, Annette Radoccia and Michael Sturn, who were
really great about paying attention to the spotters. A few of
the drivers tried the harder lines and provided entertainment
and a few scares. Bob Carney gracefully piloted his restored
Jeep Scrambler over an obstacle that I though for sure was
going to crush in the passenger side. We also lost our first
tire. JoeyK put a 3" slice in a tire going through another
wedge obstacle at the end of the trail. RickN caught up with
us just as we were finishing the Appetizer.
From here we took off for Lower Tax Collector (LTC). MichaelS left
his stock TJ and rode with me. Here the group got a little
separated since the trail looks a lot different in the dark.
Part of the group found the right route and disappeared, the
rest of us followed ScottK to the wrong wash. Oops! After a
consultation we decided to go down LTC since I knew how to get
there.
We made it to the top of LTC just when the group that disappered
came up the trail. We turned everyone around and prepared to
go back down the trail. But first we had the raffle. Tickets were
sold for $1 each. I had 4 NTD t-shirts, the NTD banner, and a
magnetic light that plugged into the cigarette lighter as
prizes. The raffle netted $64.50 for the ASA4WDC Land Use
Fund. Way to go!!!
After the raffle we drove down LTC. We were all pretty tired and
took our time on the obstacles. ScottK, Sharky, and the folks in
the teal YJ left to run Upper Tax Collector and Firebird. The
little YJ was't really set up to do these trails. I hope they
made it through successfully.
At the end of the trail we took the wash south to the big sand
pile and then back to pavement. The truck stop has fast and free
air in the back. We refilled our tires. Said our farewells and
headed for home.
Click Here for more Information and to View Pictures
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
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24738 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:35pm
Subject: RE: Body lift?
I have factory A/C on my '98TJ and I put a 1" BL on it. There was no
clearance issues with the A/C.
As to being worth it??? Well, if you need an extra 1" of clerance in your
fender wells, it is very much worth it. Without it, I woldn't fit 35" tires
on mine with the setup I have. If you don't need the extra inch, then there
would be no reason to do it unless you were doing some other kind of mod
that required the body to be higher, perhaps a custom gas tank lift or some
of the belly-up skids.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me want to do one
on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory A/C and I've
heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I think I would
only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be worth it for
me to do it. Any insight?
Scott Thomas
97' Tj
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is really a
"best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts (unless you install
the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic action
between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere around $70 mail
order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything it is suppose
to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most difficult job in
the world) ;)
There are other brands on the market that would certainly be able to do that
job just as well.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
In the meantime...
Lachlan
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24739 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:35pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
Scott,
I have a 97 TJ and a 1" BL does make a difference. I also have AC. The main
thing to watch out for is you will have to lower your fan shroud and keep an
eye on your O2 sensor to make sure it has slack. I had to undo mine at the
top and re-route it to give it slack. I used .99c hockey pucks and so far
they are doing ok after nearly a year. I think I would trend more toward the
Daystar kit over the others. With a 2.5" lift and 1" BL I am running 33 x
12.5 MT's with very little rubbing. I do need to add an inch to my bump
stops for extreme scenarios.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
To: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me want to do
one
> on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory A/C and I've
> heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I think I would
> only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be worth it
for
> me to do it. Any insight?
>
> Scott Thomas
> 97' Tj
24740 From: Hal Loy <tucsonhal@e...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:36pm
Subject: Trail run this Wednesday
I'll be leading a run down here in Tucson this coming Wednesday, 6/6/01. I am going to be going in to Chiva Falls through Italian Trap and out through Three Feathers with a possible stop off at Three Ponds.
For those not familiar with this trail, on a 1 - 5 rating system it usually rates at between a 3 and a 4 depending on water (if any) and if the last group through wimped out and stacked rocks. I have made this trail in a stock YJ with 215/75R15's and no traction devices, it was a little tricking in some spots and there is the possibility of dents to the underside of a non-lifted vehicle, but it is do-able.
I'll be meeting at the Safeway at the corner of Tanque Verde and Catalina Highway at 8:00AM and leaving shortly after that. Expect between 6 and 8 hours from start to finish, please remember to bring lunch, sunscreen and LOTS of fluids, the weather channel I watch is predicting around 105 as the high that day. If there is any water at Three Ponds (there usually is) you might consider bringing something to wear for a quick dip to cool down.
If anyone has questions or needs directions please feel free to e-mail me on or off list.
Hal Loy
Tucson Roughriders
AZ Virtual Jeep Club
ASA4WDC
tucsonhal@earthlink.net
I Jeep, therefore I am.
24741 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:48pm
Subject: RE: [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Glad to hear you and the TJ are both OK, Scott! The part about the winch line is rather sobering for sure!
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Scott Kruize [mailto:osmtj@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:23 PM
To: AzVJC Website; AzVJC
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Yep, we turned in to the wrong wash at first. We were heading down the main wash going south and Linda was heading north. We all sort of thought the other group knew where we were and turned into the wash. I remember scouting this one day with JonL and MikeC and it doesn't go anywhere so we headed south to what Sharkey and I both thought was Lower Tax Collector. I guess it actually is Ross's version of Appetizer, though it remains unnamed as far as I know. Sharkey and I had already ran up it and back down before finding Linda. She told us this was a little more than some of the group was up for so we all headed up to where the trail crosses Upper and Lower Tax Collector. When we got there RickN was just finishing it up so Sharkey and I went on to Upper with him and the rest went south down Lower. The little YJ did his best and it was a struggle but he did it under his own power taking all of the bypasses. Right before the red Firebird there is a tree in the middle of the wash and the main route goes to the left. On the right is a gnarly little waterfall with some well placed 3' boulders on the left and a 70 degree wall on the right. I managed to get right up the top before gravity decided it wasn't my day. Even with RickN and sharkey providing ballast I couldn't keeping it from tipping to the right. I took out me treesaver and hooked up the winch to a nice looking mesquite. I made the mistake of not helping the winch with some throttle from the Jeep and ended up snapping the winchline. When the line snapped the TJ plopped over on its side onto the bank and then settled back onto all fours afters bouncing off the wall. Sharkey couldn't believe it when he couldn't find anybody damage. I guess thats the benefit of having the tires stick out so far because when it hit it only made contact at the rollbar behind the passengers door. So instead of making it up with the winch I carfelly backed down. Thankfully nobody was hurt when the line broke. I learned a lesson or two though. Always drape a jacket or something over the line. We all had mentioned it but nobody had one handy. Next time I won't pull until we do. Second always give it a little gogo gas to aid the winch. Third don't underestimate how much a kink in your line can weaken your cable. I will not be replacing it with another steel rope. This time around I am going to go with Masterpull's synthetic winchrope. Its much stronger, and far superior to wirerope. And you gotta love that cool purple color. There is a good article in the tech section under 'winch' at www.jeepwire.com for anyone that is interested. Anyway we drove over the Firebird and headed back to Love's to airup.
That was it. We all had a great time and I want to thank Linda for organizing this. Too bad more of you didn't make it. It was a beautiful night for wheeling.
Scott
AzVJC Website wrote:
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Linda Luik lead a trail run Saturday, June 2, 2001 across South End White Tanks Area
Even though the Az State Parks did their best to advertise
National Trails Day 4x4 evening trail ride we only had 13
vehicles on the trail with RickN and GlennM showing up later
on. The trail ride was advertised in the East Valley Tribune
and the Arizona Republic. I received a few calls about trail
conditions and a couple of crackpots left their own brand of
humor on the answering machine.
We met at the Loves Truckstop at Miller Rd (Exit 114) and I-10
at 5:30pm and waited until 6:00pm to give any latecomers a
chance. After that we crossed the freeway, aired down and
headed for the Appetizer Trail. ScottK and Sharky headed
off to play around in lower Tax Collector where GlennM found
them a little after 7:00pm. The rest of us dropped into the
wash and started up the trail. We had two novice drivers in
the group, Annette Radoccia and Michael Sturn, who were
really great about paying attention to the spotters. A few of
the drivers tried the harder lines and provided entertainment
and a few scares. Bob Carney gracefully piloted his restored
Jeep Scrambler over an obstacle that I though for sure was
going to crush in the passenger side. We also lost our first
tire. JoeyK put a 3" slice in a tire going through another
wedge obstacle at the end of the trail. RickN caught up with
us just as we were finishing the Appetizer.
From here we took off for Lower Tax Collector (LTC). MichaelS left
his stock TJ and rode with me. Here the group got a little
separated since the trail looks a lot different in the dark.
Part of the group found the right route and disappeared, the
rest of us followed ScottK to the wrong wash. Oops! After a
consultation we decided to go down LTC since I knew how to get
there.
We made it to the top of LTC just when the group that disappered
came up the trail. We turned everyone around and prepared to
go back down the trail. But first we had the raffle. Tickets were
sold for $1 each. I had 4 NTD t-shirts, the NTD banner, and a
magnetic light that plugged into the cigarette lighter as
prizes. The raffle netted $64.50 for the ASA4WDC Land Use
Fund. Way to go!!!
After the raffle we drove down LTC. We were all pretty tired and
took our time on the obstacles. ScottK, Sharky, and the folks in
the teal YJ left to run Upper Tax Collector and Firebird. The
little YJ was't really set up to do these trails. I hope they
made it through successfully.
At the end of the trail we took the wash south to the big sand
pile and then back to pavement. The truck stop has fast and free
air in the back. We refilled our tires. Said our farewells and
headed for home.
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24742 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:54pm
Subject: RE: [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Linda,
Thank you for the great National Trails Day (night) run. I very much enjoyed having fun and meeting new people along with seeing some familiar faces as well.
Now I have an excuse to get those new shoes for the Jeep. I guess I got a job just in time.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
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From: AzVJC Website [mailto:azvjc@azvjc.org]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:38 PM
To: AzVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] [TR] Trip Report - South End White Tanks Area - Saturday, June 2, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Linda Luik lead a trail run Saturday, June 2, 2001 across South End White Tanks Area
Even though the Az State Parks did their best to advertise
National Trails Day 4x4 evening trail ride we only had 13
vehicles on the trail with RickN and GlennM showing up later
on. The trail ride was advertised in the East Valley Tribune
and the Arizona Republic. I received a few calls about trail
conditions and a couple of crackpots left their own brand of
humor on the answering machine.
We met at the Loves Truckstop at Miller Rd (Exit 114) and I-10
at 5:30pm and waited until 6:00pm to give any latecomers a
chance. After that we crossed the freeway, aired down and
headed for the Appetizer Trail. ScottK and Sharky headed
off to play around in lower Tax Collector where GlennM found
them a little after 7:00pm. The rest of us dropped into the
wash and started up the trail. We had two novice drivers in
the group, Annette Radoccia and Michael Sturn, who were
really great about paying attention to the spotters. A few of
the drivers tried the harder lines and provided entertainment
and a few scares. Bob Carney gracefully piloted his restored
Jeep Scrambler over an obstacle that I though for sure was
going to crush in the passenger side. We also lost our first
tire. JoeyK put a 3" slice in a tire going through another
wedge obstacle at the end of the trail. RickN caught up with
us just as we were finishing the Appetizer.
From here we took off for Lower Tax Collector (LTC). MichaelS left
his stock TJ and rode with me. Here the group got a little
separated since the trail looks a lot different in the dark.
Part of the group found the right route and disappeared, the
rest of us followed ScottK to the wrong wash. Oops! After a
consultation we decided to go down LTC since I knew how to get
there.
We made it to the top of LTC just when the group that disappered
came up the trail. We turned everyone around and prepared to
go back down the trail. But first we had the raffle. Tickets were
sold for $1 each. I had 4 NTD t-shirts, the NTD banner, and a
magnetic light that plugged into the cigarette lighter as
prizes. The raffle netted $64.50 for the ASA4WDC Land Use
Fund. Way to go!!!
After the raffle we drove down LTC. We were all pretty tired and
took our time on the obstacles. ScottK, Sharky, and the folks in
the teal YJ left to run Upper Tax Collector and Firebird. The
little YJ was't really set up to do these trails. I hope they
made it through successfully.
At the end of the trail we took the wash south to the big sand
pile and then back to pavement. The truck stop has fast and free
air in the back. We refilled our tires. Said our farewells and
headed for home.
Click Here for more Information and to View Pictures
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
24743 From: Dan Siegel <cruzeunit@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 6:31pm
Subject: Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
I am considering doing the Tera Low 4:1 in my CJ-7. (dana 300,
automatic, 3:07's???). My question is for all of you that have done
the conversion...
Is it really worth it?
Does it really make a huge difference? (like going from unlocked to
locked)
I can get through the 4-4.5 trails now with out too much hassle. I
just don't know if my money will be better spent on somthing else..
TIA
Dan Siegel
24744 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 6:45pm
Subject: RE: Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
Dan,
I put in a 4:1 two months ago. Best thing I did for traction since putting
in a Detroit.
I did it with 4.56 gears. With your 3.07 gears, it will be even more
noticable crawling up the washes. I have yet to meet a 4:1 owner who didn't
enjoy the new found crawl speed!
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Siegel [mailto:cruzeunit@y...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:32 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
I am considering doing the Tera Low 4:1 in my CJ-7. (dana 300,
automatic, 3:07's???). My question is for all of you that have done
the conversion...
Is it really worth it?
Does it really make a huge difference? (like going from unlocked to
locked)
I can get through the 4-4.5 trails now with out too much hassle. I
just don't know if my money will be better spent on somthing else..
TIA
Dan Siegel
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24745 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 3:09pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
Well if I had known they were red I would have gotten those...awe
shucks...lol
Sharky
24746 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 7:28pm
Subject: extended lines for your TJ
Many of you TJ owners may have already done this, but I just got around to
doing it yesterday....extended front brake hoses for my TJ.
You can spend significant $$ for the "extended hoses", but if you want to
save some money, bolt on a set of stock YJ lines. $36 a pair at Checker
Auto.
Details (pics and write-up) at www.stu-offroad.com Scroll to the "Do it
Yourself" section and select the link for the "extended front brake hose"
project.
Stu
24747 From: <jeepw99@m...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 7:31pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
With the 1" BL, what size Suspension lift will be needed to run 35s?
I'm going to lift my TJ and was going to go with 33s, but after
reading all the posts it has convinced me to go with 35s.
Would a 4" RE or Teraflex with the 1" BL and 1" motor mounts be able
to handle the 35 x 12.50?
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> I have factory A/C on my '98TJ and I put a 1" BL on it. There was
no
> clearance issues with the A/C.
>
> As to being worth it??? Well, if you need an extra 1" of clerance
in your
> fender wells, it is very much worth it. Without it, I woldn't fit
35" tires
> on mine with the setup I have. If you don't need the extra inch,
then there
> would be no reason to do it unless you were doing some other kind
of mod
> that required the body to be higher, perhaps a custom gas tank lift
or some
> of the belly-up skids.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
> To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
>
>
> Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me want
to do one
> on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory A/C
and I've
> heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I think I
would
> only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be
worth it for
> me to do it. Any insight?
>
> Scott Thomas
> 97' Tj
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
>
>
> Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is
really a
> "best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts (unless
you install
> the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
>
> I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic
action
> between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
>
> PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere around
$70 mail
> order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything it is
suppose
> to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most difficult
job in
> the world) ;)
>
> There are other brands on the market that would certainly be able
to do that
> job just as well.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
>
>
> Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
> particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my Jeep,
> and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
> Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
>
> In the meantime...
>
> Lachlan
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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24748 From: <jal@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 7:42pm
Subject: Re: Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
I second Stu's comments. I love my TeraLow. Having said that, though,
you will probably notice somewhat less of a dramatic difference since
you have an automatic. Automatics by nature act somewhat like low
gearing. You can literally come to a complete stop and the transition
between stop and start is smooth with an automatic. I have ridden in
an automatic with 4:1, though, and it is sweet.
Jon
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> Dan,
> I put in a 4:1 two months ago. Best thing I did for traction since
putting
> in a Detroit.
>
> I did it with 4.56 gears. With your 3.07 gears, it will be even
more
> noticable crawling up the washes. I have yet to meet a 4:1 owner
who didn't
> enjoy the new found crawl speed!
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan Siegel [mailto:cruzeunit@y...]
> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 6:32 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Tera Low 4:1 Dana 300
>
>
> I am considering doing the Tera Low 4:1 in my CJ-7. (dana 300,
> automatic, 3:07's???). My question is for all of you that have done
> the conversion...
> Is it really worth it?
> Does it really make a huge difference? (like going from unlocked to
> locked)
> I can get through the 4-4.5 trails now with out too much hassle. I
> just don't know if my money will be better spent on somthing else..
> TIA
> Dan Siegel
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24749 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 8:03pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
According to everything I have ever read about lift heights for
TJs, you'd need any suspension system that will allow you to run 33"
tires, which equates to any 4" lift. As far as a body lift and motor
mount go, you'll only need that combination if you plan on running
either a flat skidplate with a slip-yoke eliminator and CV
driveshaft, or no SYE with the stock driveshaft and the transfer case
lowering spacers that will undoubtedly come with whatever kit you
get. I would recommend the slip-yoke elim and CV shaft, as that will
be both stronger than stock, and vibration free! Hope this helps.
Have you considered the Tomken 4" system? It is only $940 and it
includes upper and lower arms for front and rear, 4 coils, sway bar
disconnects, and related hardware. The heim-style joints on the ends
of the control arms are made by Currie, so reliability is assured.
The other kit you should look at is the 5.5" system from
Rockcrawler. Check out www.Tomken.com and www.rockkrawler.com to see
which is best for you. The Tomken kit doesn't require a sye, but the
Rockkrawler does, so budget accordingly. There's no cheap route to
getting set up to spin 35s...
Lachlan '98 TJ
o|||||o
24750 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 8:40pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
I've got the JKS (http://www.jksmfg.com) 1.25" body lift. I didn't
have any problems installing it ('99 TJ with AC) and had it and my 1"
motor mounts from MORE installed in a little over and hour (with some
help).
Keep in mind, if you're installing a body lift the same time as you
install raised motor mounts, you won't have to do anything to the
radiator shroud.
As far as clearance for running 35" tires, you'll need at least 4" of
lift. A Teraflex or Rubicon Express lift should do the trick. Keep in
mind all 35" tires are not really 35" in dia. I can just barely tuck
my 35"x12.5" Good Year MT/R's with only the most minor of rubbing on
my flares. Without the body lift, I probably wouldn't be able to get
them up there that tight.
As someone else mentioned, you're going to need a slip yoke
eliminator to go along with the lift required to run 35" tires. It's
sort of a hidden cost (around $300 for the parts, but the
installation isn't too bad if you decide to do it yourself). The
benefit of running only 33" tires is that you can probably get by
with a 3" lift and body lift and just drop the transfer case a bit to
keep those driveline angles happy. Once you decide you want to run
those bigger tires, there's a little bit more to add to the mod list.
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
> With the 1" BL, what size Suspension lift will be needed to run
35s?
> I'm going to lift my TJ and was going to go with 33s, but after
> reading all the posts it has convinced me to go with 35s.
>
> Would a 4" RE or Teraflex with the 1" BL and 1" motor mounts be
able
> to handle the 35 x 12.50?
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > I have factory A/C on my '98TJ and I put a 1" BL on it. There
was
> no
> > clearance issues with the A/C.
> >
> > As to being worth it??? Well, if you need an extra 1" of
clerance
> in your
> > fender wells, it is very much worth it. Without it, I woldn't
fit
> 35" tires
> > on mine with the setup I have. If you don't need the extra inch,
> then there
> > would be no reason to do it unless you were doing some other kind
> of mod
> > that required the body to be higher, perhaps a custom gas tank
lift
> or some
> > of the belly-up skids.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
> > To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> >
> >
> > Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me want
> to do one
> > on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory A/C
> and I've
> > heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I think
I
> would
> > only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be
> worth it for
> > me to do it. Any insight?
> >
> > Scott Thomas
> > 97' Tj
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> >
> >
> > Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is
> really a
> > "best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts (unless
> you install
> > the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
> >
> > I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic
> action
> > between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
> >
> > PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere around
> $70 mail
> > order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything it
is
> suppose
> > to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most
difficult
> job in
> > the world) ;)
> >
> > There are other brands on the market that would certainly be able
> to do that
> > job just as well.
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> >
> >
> > Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
> > particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my
Jeep,
> > and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday adding a
> > Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
> >
> > In the meantime...
> >
> > Lachlan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24751 From: <jaylalib@a...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 8:52pm
Subject: Re: Body lift?
What is the purpose of doing the 1" motor mounts? I am thinking of
doing a 1" body lift as well, I have a 2" suspension lift on my 99 TJ
but I have put on 33" 12.5s, they rub a little.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> I've got the JKS (http://www.jksmfg.com) 1.25" body lift. I didn't
> have any problems installing it ('99 TJ with AC) and had it and my
1"
> motor mounts from MORE installed in a little over and hour (with
some
> help).
>
> Keep in mind, if you're installing a body lift the same time as you
> install raised motor mounts, you won't have to do anything to the
> radiator shroud.
>
> As far as clearance for running 35" tires, you'll need at least 4"
of
> lift. A Teraflex or Rubicon Express lift should do the trick. Keep
in
> mind all 35" tires are not really 35" in dia. I can just barely
tuck
> my 35"x12.5" Good Year MT/R's with only the most minor of rubbing
on
> my flares. Without the body lift, I probably wouldn't be able to
get
> them up there that tight.
>
> As someone else mentioned, you're going to need a slip yoke
> eliminator to go along with the lift required to run 35" tires.
It's
> sort of a hidden cost (around $300 for the parts, but the
> installation isn't too bad if you decide to do it yourself). The
> benefit of running only 33" tires is that you can probably get by
> with a 3" lift and body lift and just drop the transfer case a bit
to
> keep those driveline angles happy. Once you decide you want to run
> those bigger tires, there's a little bit more to add to the mod
list.
>
>
> Brent
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
> > With the 1" BL, what size Suspension lift will be needed to run
> 35s?
> > I'm going to lift my TJ and was going to go with 33s, but after
> > reading all the posts it has convinced me to go with 35s.
> >
> > Would a 4" RE or Teraflex with the 1" BL and 1" motor mounts be
> able
> > to handle the 35 x 12.50?
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > > I have factory A/C on my '98TJ and I put a 1" BL on it. There
> was
> > no
> > > clearance issues with the A/C.
> > >
> > > As to being worth it??? Well, if you need an extra 1" of
> clerance
> > in your
> > > fender wells, it is very much worth it. Without it, I woldn't
> fit
> > 35" tires
> > > on mine with the setup I have. If you don't need the extra
inch,
> > then there
> > > would be no reason to do it unless you were doing some other
kind
> > of mod
> > > that required the body to be higher, perhaps a custom gas tank
> lift
> > or some
> > > of the belly-up skids.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
> > > To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me
want
> > to do one
> > > on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory
A/C
> > and I've
> > > heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I
think
> I
> > would
> > > only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be
> > worth it for
> > > me to do it. Any insight?
> > >
> > > Scott Thomas
> > > 97' Tj
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is
> > really a
> > > "best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts
(unless
> > you install
> > > the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
> > >
> > > I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic
> > action
> > > between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
> > >
> > > PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere
around
> > $70 mail
> > > order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything
it
> is
> > suppose
> > > to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most
> difficult
> > job in
> > > the world) ;)
> > >
> > > There are other brands on the market that would certainly be
able
> > to do that
> > > job just as well.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
> > > particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my
> Jeep,
> > > and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday
adding a
> > > Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
> > >
> > > In the meantime...
> > >
> > > Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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24752 From: <sharxjeep@c...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 5:04pm
Subject: Re: Re: Body lift?
The RE 4.5" plus a 1" body is enough for the 35"s. I have it on mine and
it works great.
Sharky
24753 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Jun 3, 2001 9:13pm
Subject: RE: Re: Body lift?
The 1" motor mount lift is pretty easy to do and compliments the body lift.
I did both on my TJ. I did not need to install the t-case linkage adapter
that came with the body lift since the t-case was raise some when the motor
went up. This will usually eliminate the tub clearance problem (around the
gear shift lever) that can sometimes occur. It also causes the output shaft
on your t-case to drop a bit. In my case, it was enough that I was able to
pull the t-case lowering kit and still keep the rear drive shaft vibes away
(when I was running a 2" coil lift). :)
The last benefit you get with the motor mount lift is that your oil pan is
raised up an inch and more out of harms way. Also, since your motor went up
with your body lift, you don't have to do any fan shroud adjustment which is
required when you do only the body lift.
Don't get me wrong....none of the issues that arise from a body lift are
that difficult to deal with. It is just that the motor mount lift being
done at the same time makes for no problems at all.
Stu
Stu Olson
www.stu-offroad.com
-----Original Message-----
From: jaylalib@a... [mailto:jaylalib@a...]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 8:53 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Body lift?
What is the purpose of doing the 1" motor mounts? I am thinking of
doing a 1" body lift as well, I have a 2" suspension lift on my 99 TJ
but I have put on 33" 12.5s, they rub a little.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> I've got the JKS (http://www.jksmfg.com) 1.25" body lift. I didn't
> have any problems installing it ('99 TJ with AC) and had it and my
1"
> motor mounts from MORE installed in a little over and hour (with
some
> help).
>
> Keep in mind, if you're installing a body lift the same time as you
> install raised motor mounts, you won't have to do anything to the
> radiator shroud.
>
> As far as clearance for running 35" tires, you'll need at least 4"
of
> lift. A Teraflex or Rubicon Express lift should do the trick. Keep
in
> mind all 35" tires are not really 35" in dia. I can just barely
tuck
> my 35"x12.5" Good Year MT/R's with only the most minor of rubbing
on
> my flares. Without the body lift, I probably wouldn't be able to
get
> them up there that tight.
>
> As someone else mentioned, you're going to need a slip yoke
> eliminator to go along with the lift required to run 35" tires.
It's
> sort of a hidden cost (around $300 for the parts, but the
> installation isn't too bad if you decide to do it yourself). The
> benefit of running only 33" tires is that you can probably get by
> with a 3" lift and body lift and just drop the transfer case a bit
to
> keep those driveline angles happy. Once you decide you want to run
> those bigger tires, there's a little bit more to add to the mod
list.
>
>
> Brent
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
> > With the 1" BL, what size Suspension lift will be needed to run
> 35s?
> > I'm going to lift my TJ and was going to go with 33s, but after
> > reading all the posts it has convinced me to go with 35s.
> >
> > Would a 4" RE or Teraflex with the 1" BL and 1" motor mounts be
> able
> > to handle the 35 x 12.50?
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> > > I have factory A/C on my '98TJ and I put a 1" BL on it. There
> was
> > no
> > > clearance issues with the A/C.
> > >
> > > As to being worth it??? Well, if you need an extra 1" of
> clerance
> > in your
> > > fender wells, it is very much worth it. Without it, I woldn't
> fit
> > 35" tires
> > > on mine with the setup I have. If you don't need the extra
inch,
> > then there
> > > would be no reason to do it unless you were doing some other
kind
> > of mod
> > > that required the body to be higher, perhaps a custom gas tank
> lift
> > or some
> > > of the belly-up skids.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Scott Thomas [mailto:sthomas@a...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:16 PM
> > > To: Stu Olson; az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Now that I hear that it is simple to do a body lift makes me
want
> > to do one
> > > on my Tj. The question that I have though is I have factory
A/C
> > and I've
> > > heard that that can be a problem when doing a body lift. I
think
> I
> > would
> > > only want to do 1" anyway, so I'm not sure if it would even be
> > worth it for
> > > me to do it. Any insight?
> > >
> > > Scott Thomas
> > > 97' Tj
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 5:11 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Considering how simple a body lift is, I don't think there is
> > really a
> > > "best" one on the market. There aren't any moving parts
(unless
> > you install
> > > the usually optional t-case linkage fixer upper).
> > >
> > > I prefer the non-aluminum pucks since I don't like the galvanic
> > action
> > > between aluminum and steel. (just my perosnal preference).
> > >
> > > PA (Performance Accessories) makes a nice kit....somewhere
around
> > $70 mail
> > > order. I've had one on for 1.5 years and it does everything
it
> is
> > suppose
> > > to....it keeps the body 1" above the frame (not the most
> difficult
> > job in
> > > the world) ;)
> > >
> > > There are other brands on the market that would certainly be
able
> > to do that
> > > job just as well.
> > >
> > > Stu
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 4:44 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Body lift?
> > >
> > >
> > > Who makes the "best" body lift for TJs, and what makes that
> > > particular one the best? I want to put a one inch lift on my
> Jeep,
> > > and then 1" motor mounts, with the future plan of someday
adding a
> > > Belly-Up flat skidplate and SYE, etc.
> > >
> > > In the meantime...
> > >
> > > Lachlan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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