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24679 From: <johnrabenius@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:33am
Subject: Warranty Repairs and dealers . . . The Final Conflict
Wasn't there a movie by this title? :)
I've bought a couple of new cars, and had trouble with warranty
repairs with both stock vehicles, and my modified 2000 Cherokee, both
at Earnhardt's dealerships.
I have always ended up getting things fixed under warranty. You just
have to know how to talk to these guys.
The last time I took my Cherokee into Earnhardt's jeep was for a
sticking passenger door lock.
The service manager immediately said I had voided my warranty. I
didn't even let him finish. I interrupted him, and said that there is
a federal law that protects consumer's rights concerning warranties
on modified vehicles, and if he wanted to press the issue further, to
stop and give me Earnhardt's legal department. The service manager
said nothing more and processed the warranty claim. I also said to
make a note on my service record to not mention that to me anymore,
either. While I was at it, I also told him I wanted a complimentary
rental car for the time my truck was in the shop. I got everything I
asked for.
There was an article in a back issue of FOURWHEELER magazine that
explained the manufacturer's warranty issue on modified vehicles very
clearly. It stated that the only parts that have voided warranties
are those parts that have been directly modified or replaced. If I
can find the article, I'll post the legislation number. Keep it in
the glove box with your registration.
John Rabenius
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24680 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:42am
Subject: diff. gasket ?
Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover when you put
the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to auto zone and
asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover, expecting a
color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested rtv black
with the gasket.
What do you guys suggest.
>
24681 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:44am
Subject: Re: diff. gasket ?
RTV blue and RTV black work the same, only a different pigment,
and a few cents extra for the high-temp black packaging.
...from the engineer who made the stuff.
-d
Joey K wrote:
>
> Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover when you put
> the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to auto zone and
> asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover, expecting a
> color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested rtv black
> with the gasket.
> What do you guys suggest.
> >
>
>
>
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24682 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:49am
Subject: RE: Installing A/C
Not sure about the complete install but I had a friend that needed new
hoses. When he looked at the cost for new ones he went to a recycle yard and
got some "recycled" ones for a fraction of the cost and they are working
great.
Joey K
93 YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:07 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Installing A/C
>
>
> Has anyone ever heard of someone buying the necessary parts from
> a junkyard and installing "factory" A/C? I found a good deal at AZ
> 4x4 Recyclers, and I'm thinking about putting it into the TJ. Is
> this even possible? Any thoughts? Should have bought it with A/C
> but never thought I would need it in Colorado. Who knew I would move
> to the desert???
>
> Lachlan
>
>
>
>
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>
24683 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:53am
Subject: diff. gasket ? Pretty colors!
Go with Black....it does not show as bad. "Image is Everything"
I base my RTV choice solely on its color matching abilities.
Blake
(Why does my Jeep always leak?)
-----Original Message-----
From: Damon Gentile [mailto:dgentile@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:45 AM
To: Joey K
Cc: Dan Coley; jeepin_in_az@y...; Az_Vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] diff. gasket ?
RTV blue and RTV black work the same, only a different pigment,
and a few cents extra for the high-temp black packaging.
...from the engineer who made the stuff.
-d
Joey K wrote:
>
> Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover when you
put
> the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to auto zone
and
> asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover, expecting a
> color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested rtv black
> with the gasket.
> What do you guys suggest.
> >
>
>
>
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24684 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:55am
Subject: Re: diff. gasket ?
So couldn't you have made it so it didn't stick oh so well to human
skin?! =)
--- In az_vjc@y..., Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...> wrote:
> RTV blue and RTV black work the same, only a different pigment,
> and a few cents extra for the high-temp black packaging.
>
> ...from the engineer who made the stuff.
>
> -d
>
> Joey K wrote:
> >
> > Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover
when you put
> > the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to
auto zone and
> > asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover,
expecting a
> > color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested
rtv black
> > with the gasket.
> > What do you guys suggest.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24685 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:59am
Subject: Re: Re: diff. gasket ?
Sorry, secondhand from the engineer, not me, can't take credit
for that!
Try some latex gloves !
-d
Dan Coley wrote:
>
> So couldn't you have made it so it didn't stick oh so well to human
> skin?! =)
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...> wrote:
> > RTV blue and RTV black work the same, only a different pigment,
> > and a few cents extra for the high-temp black packaging.
> >
> > ...from the engineer who made the stuff.
> >
> > -d
> >
> > Joey K wrote:
> > >
> > > Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover
> when you put
> > > the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to
> auto zone and
> > > asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover,
> expecting a
> > > color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested
> rtv black
> > > with the gasket.
> > > What do you guys suggest.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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24686 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 0:15pm
Subject: RE: diff. gasket ? Pretty colors!
My thoughts as well!! :-)
Joey K
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blake Van de Loo [mailto:blake@m...]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:54 AM
> To: Az_Vjc (E-mail 2)
> Subject: [az_vjc] diff. gasket ? Pretty colors!
>
>
> Go with Black....it does not show as bad. "Image is Everything"
>
> I base my RTV choice solely on its color matching abilities.
>
>
> Blake
> (Why does my Jeep always leak?)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damon Gentile [mailto:dgentile@s...]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:45 AM
> To: Joey K
> Cc: Dan Coley; jeepin_in_az@y...; Az_Vjc
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] diff. gasket ?
>
>
> RTV blue and RTV black work the same, only a different pigment,
> and a few cents extra for the high-temp black packaging.
>
> ...from the engineer who made the stuff.
>
> -d
>
> Joey K wrote:
> >
> > Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover when you
> put
> > the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to auto zone
> and
> > asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover, expecting a
> > color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested
> rtv black
> > with the gasket.
> > What do you guys suggest.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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>
>
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24687 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:06pm
Subject: Re: diff. gasket ? Pretty colors!
I just use RTV in any color I can scrounge up. I'd go broke if I
bought a new gasket everytime I went in there. :)
Mike
24688 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:38pm
Subject: UPDATED upper ajax run
I have changed the meeting time to 7:00 am on Sunday to run Upper Ajax. I
think it would be too hot to do it later. Anyone coming yet?
=====
Mike Baney
2001 TJ
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24689 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:08pm
Subject: Re: Warranty Repairs and dealers . . . The Final Conflict
Its the Warn & Magnison Act, It basicly say's the modification must
have cuased the problem, if the modification did not cuase the problem
then the Warrenty must be enacted.
i.e. if you put a K&N air filter on, and you bring in for wheel
bearing problem, its going to be a preety far strecht that the K&N
caused a wheel bearing problem.
--- In az_vjc@y..., johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> Wasn't there a movie by this title? :)
>
> I've bought a couple of new cars, and had trouble with warranty
> repairs with both stock vehicles, and my modified 2000 Cherokee,
both
> at Earnhardt's dealerships.
>
> I have always ended up getting things fixed under warranty. You just
> have to know how to talk to these guys.
>
> The last time I took my Cherokee into Earnhardt's jeep was for a
> sticking passenger door lock.
>
> The service manager immediately said I had voided my warranty. I
> didn't even let him finish. I interrupted him, and said that there
is
> a federal law that protects consumer's rights concerning warranties
> on modified vehicles, and if he wanted to press the issue further,
to
> stop and give me Earnhardt's legal department. The service manager
> said nothing more and processed the warranty claim. I also said to
> make a note on my service record to not mention that to me anymore,
> either. While I was at it, I also told him I wanted a complimentary
> rental car for the time my truck was in the shop. I got everything I
> asked for.
>
> There was an article in a back issue of FOURWHEELER magazine that
> explained the manufacturer's warranty issue on modified vehicles
very
> clearly. It stated that the only parts that have voided warranties
> are those parts that have been directly modified or replaced. If I
> can find the article, I'll post the legislation number. Keep it in
> the glove box with your registration.
>
> John Rabenius
24690 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:09pm
Subject: Re: Warranty Repairs and dealers . . . The Final Conflict
I thought it was Magnusson-Moss
???
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., sinanturel@y... wrote:
> Its the Warn & Magnison Act, It basicly say's the modification must
> have cuased the problem, if the modification did not cuase the
problem
> then the Warrenty must be enacted.
> i.e. if you put a K&N air filter on, and you bring in for wheel
> bearing problem, its going to be a preety far strecht that the K&N
> caused a wheel bearing problem.
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > Wasn't there a movie by this title? :)
> >
> > I've bought a couple of new cars, and had trouble with warranty
> > repairs with both stock vehicles, and my modified 2000 Cherokee,
> both
> > at Earnhardt's dealerships.
> >
> > I have always ended up getting things fixed under warranty. You
just
> > have to know how to talk to these guys.
> >
> > The last time I took my Cherokee into Earnhardt's jeep was for a
> > sticking passenger door lock.
> >
> > The service manager immediately said I had voided my warranty. I
> > didn't even let him finish. I interrupted him, and said that there
> is
> > a federal law that protects consumer's rights concerning
warranties
> > on modified vehicles, and if he wanted to press the issue further,
> to
> > stop and give me Earnhardt's legal department. The service manager
> > said nothing more and processed the warranty claim. I also said to
> > make a note on my service record to not mention that to me
anymore,
> > either. While I was at it, I also told him I wanted a
complimentary
> > rental car for the time my truck was in the shop. I got everything
I
> > asked for.
> >
> > There was an article in a back issue of FOURWHEELER magazine that
> > explained the manufacturer's warranty issue on modified vehicles
> very
> > clearly. It stated that the only parts that have voided warranties
> > are those parts that have been directly modified or replaced. If I
> > can find the article, I'll post the legislation number. Keep it in
> > the glove box with your registration.
> >
> > John Rabenius
24691 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:11pm
Subject: Re: Warranty Repairs and dealers . . . The Final Conflict
I shoulda found this before posting:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty/undermag.htm
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> I thought it was Magnusson-Moss
>
> ???
>
> Brent
>
24692 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:11pm
Subject: Re: Warranty Repairs and dealers . . . The Final Conflict
Opps, I thought about it only for a min.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> I thought it was Magnusson-Moss
>
> ???
>
> Brent
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., sinanturel@y... wrote:
> > Its the Warn & Magnison Act, It basicly say's the modification
must
> > have cuased the problem, if the modification did not cuase the
> problem
> > then the Warrenty must be enacted.
> > i.e. if you put a K&N air filter on, and you bring in for wheel
> > bearing problem, its going to be a preety far strecht that the K&N
> > caused a wheel bearing problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > > Wasn't there a movie by this title? :)
> > >
> > > I've bought a couple of new cars, and had trouble with warranty
> > > repairs with both stock vehicles, and my modified 2000 Cherokee,
> > both
> > > at Earnhardt's dealerships.
> > >
> > > I have always ended up getting things fixed under warranty. You
> just
> > > have to know how to talk to these guys.
> > >
> > > The last time I took my Cherokee into Earnhardt's jeep was for a
> > > sticking passenger door lock.
> > >
> > > The service manager immediately said I had voided my warranty. I
> > > didn't even let him finish. I interrupted him, and said that
there
> > is
> > > a federal law that protects consumer's rights concerning
> warranties
> > > on modified vehicles, and if he wanted to press the issue
further,
> > to
> > > stop and give me Earnhardt's legal department. The service
manager
> > > said nothing more and processed the warranty claim. I also said
to
> > > make a note on my service record to not mention that to me
> anymore,
> > > either. While I was at it, I also told him I wanted a
> complimentary
> > > rental car for the time my truck was in the shop. I got
everything
> I
> > > asked for.
> > >
> > > There was an article in a back issue of FOURWHEELER magazine
that
> > > explained the manufacturer's warranty issue on modified vehicles
> > very
> > > clearly. It stated that the only parts that have voided
warranties
> > > are those parts that have been directly modified or replaced. If
I
> > > can find the article, I'll post the legislation number. Keep it
in
> > > the glove box with your registration.
> > >
> > > John Rabenius
24693 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:00pm
Subject: Magnuson-Moss Act
I believe this is the actual act:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/ch50.html
Correct me if I'm wrong.
24694 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:17pm
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
When we did my D44 gear change, we wrapped a chain around the carrier then
used a crowbar to pull on the chain using the outside of the case as a
leverage point.
Just like the first pic on this site:
http://dreamwater.com/zuk/dana44gears.html
Chris K
> From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Jeep List <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [az_vjc] D30 carrier
>
> I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover off
> and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out! I
> tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle jack
> against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to come
> out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I can
> barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
>
> Thanks!
>
> =====
> Mike Baney
> 2001 TJ
>
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24695 From: Michael Smith <msmith658@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:25pm
Subject: Rear Axle
I am in need of a rear axle for my 78 CJ7. It needs to have a
centered rear differential. Please respond via email before 5pm or
call me at 602-689-1761.
Thanks,
Michael Smith
24696 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:35pm
Subject: RE: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
Blake,
It can happen. I had about a half dozen items fixed under warranty while my
'98TJ was still under the 36 month mark (haven't made it to 36K miles yet).
This was all done after it had a Tera 2" lift, 32" tires, 4.56 gears, and a
Detroit locker and a Detroit Truetrac installed. Two of the problems
involved the D30....front steering/track bar and a improperly torqued axle
nut. (yes....I have no doubt in my mind that the axle nut was a direct
result of the gear/LSD install....the track bar...I am not sure if that was
from the lift or not.)
I had to take it back twice for the axle nut problem, as they could not get
the symptoms to reproduce at the dealership on the 1st visit (how do you fix
what you can not detect?). Once I discovered how to produce the symptoms on
demand, I scheduled a return visit and they had it fixed the same day.
Never once did they argue or raise an eyebrow over what was worked on. And
that was even after the service manager and I had a few exchanges about the
quality of work that was done on my TJ and my wifes XJ (hers was not
warranty work).
This was done at the old Bidulph Jeep dealership in Glendale (now Glendale
Automotive?).
So....I am telling the truth....I don't know anyone that works
there.....etc. It is just how it was.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: blake shepherd [mailto:blake@b...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:00 AM
To: 'aphrodsyak@a...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to repair
something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling the
entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: aphrodsyak@a... [mailto:aphrodsyak@a...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:53 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I have gone to Darners for years. I have only had them turn me down once
for anything. They gave me a new transfer case, and I had a 4 inch lift and
33's and a new tranny. Even a new alternator because wine in the
bearings,
I never even talked to them about it and it worked fine. They also worked
a deal with me on a dented fuel tank. They replaced the tank saying that
"it was deformed from the factory" and only charged me to change the tank
and
bang out the dent in the skid plate. I had a guy named sam as a service
advisor and they were awesome. I didnt even buy the thing there!!!
The only thing they ever shot me down on was a pinion bearing in the rear
and they wouldn't have but I had regeared.,
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DARNERS IN MESA TO ANYONE FOR SERVICE>
that me recommendation, anyone evry have any problems there?????
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24697 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:44pm
Subject: Reminder: Upper and Lower Woodpecker Saturday night
John Butler and I are meeting at the Texaco at Florence Jct. Please respond if you are coming. Thanks.
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24698 From: <ALIRAL17@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
WATER WILL RUST AND CORRODE THE INTERNALS OF YOUR COOLING SYSTEM MUCH QUICKER
THAN A 50/50 MIX OF COOLANT AND WATER
24699 From: <ALIRAL17@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:29pm
Subject: Re: PowerAid Install
I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF EVERYBODY INSTALLING THROTTLE BODY
SPACERS, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THERE IS NO BENEFIT WHAT SO EVER UNLESS YOU
ACTUALLY HAVE FUEL PASSING THROUGH THE SPACER, AND EVEN YET SPACER HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN USED IN RACING TO BETTER ATOMIZE FUEL AT HIGHER RPM'S. BEATS
ME.......
24700 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:37pm
Subject: Open Seat Still!
Still have an open seat in the TJ for the Crown King
Trip Tomorrow. Give me an e-mail.
Jake
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24701 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:38pm
Subject: Thanks for Great service
I know it has been mentioned before but I want to thank Roosevelt Alignment
and Flexy Joe for fitting me into there schedule at short notice this week.
I had just completed replacing my tie rod ends and called late Thursday to
set up an alignment. Even though they were very busy Joe got me in on
Friday. They even noticed that my steering box was loose before even
starting. Thanks again Joe and I would highly recommend them to anyone
needing some work done they do more then just alignments. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
24702 From: Michael Earls <michael@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 6:58pm
Subject: RE: PowerAid Install
Did you know that writing an email in all capital letters is considered
yelling in Internet etiquette?
I'm sure people have a valid reason for doing anything they please to their
Jeeps.
Just a thought...
Michael Earls
-----Original Message-----
From: ALIRAL17@A... [mailto:ALIRAL17@A...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 5:30 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] PowerAid Install
I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF EVERYBODY INSTALLING THROTTLE BODY
SPACERS, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THERE IS NO BENEFIT WHAT SO EVER UNLESS YOU
ACTUALLY HAVE FUEL PASSING THROUGH THE SPACER, AND EVEN YET SPACER HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN USED IN RACING TO BETTER ATOMIZE FUEL AT HIGHER RPM'S. BEATS
ME.......
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24703 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I bought my ZJ used from Darner. They gave me a 30 day/1000 mile
warrantyy (whatever came first). I got about $1000 parts and labor out
of them before they finally said enough is enough! It was a great deal!
I bought the ZJ way under wholesale blue book and they fixed it.
Additionally they are the only dealership I know of that will help in
finding parts for old Dodge and Plymouth trucks.
Linda
Daver wrote:
>
> blake shepherd wrote:
> > I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
> > cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to repair
> > something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
> > Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling the
> > entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
>
> Never having bought a "new" jeep, I can't speak ho jeep dealers, but I
> have bought a new dodge. Performance Dodge has replaced stuff under
> warrantee for free while we were getting the oil changed that we didn't
> even know was broke. In some cases, it wasn't even broke, they had just
> received a bulletin that it _might_ break. And we DON'T know anyone
> there.
>
> Believe it...or NOT!
>
> Just kidding. Believe it, it's true. Good dealers DO exist.
>
>
>
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24679 From: <johnrabenius@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:33am
Subject: Warranty Repairs and dealers . . . The Final Conflict
Wasn't there a movie by this title? :)
I've bought a couple of new cars, and had trouble with warranty
repairs with both stock vehicles, and my modified 2000 Cherokee, both
at Earnhardt's dealerships.
I have always ended up getting things fixed under warranty. You just
have to know how to talk to these guys.
The last time I took my Cherokee into Earnhardt's jeep was for a
sticking passenger door lock.
The service manager immediately said I had voided my warranty. I
didn't even let him finish. I interrupted him, and said that there is
a federal law that protects consumer's rights concerning warranties
on modified vehicles, and if he wanted to press the issue further, to
stop and give me Earnhardt's legal department. The service manager
said nothing more and processed the warranty claim. I also said to
make a note on my service record to not mention that to me anymore,
either. While I was at it, I also told him I wanted a complimentary
rental car for the time my truck was in the shop. I got everything I
asked for.
There was an article in a back issue of FOURWHEELER magazine that
explained the manufacturer's warranty issue on modified vehicles very
clearly. It stated that the only parts that have voided warranties
are those parts that have been directly modified or replaced. If I
can find the article, I'll post the legislation number. Keep it in
the glove box with your registration.
John Rabenius
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24680 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:42am
Subject: diff. gasket ?
Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover when you put
the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to auto zone and
asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover, expecting a
color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested rtv black
with the gasket.
What do you guys suggest.
>
24681 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:44am
Subject: Re: diff. gasket ?
RTV blue and RTV black work the same, only a different pigment,
and a few cents extra for the high-temp black packaging.
...from the engineer who made the stuff.
-d
Joey K wrote:
>
> Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover when you put
> the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to auto zone and
> asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover, expecting a
> color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested rtv black
> with the gasket.
> What do you guys suggest.
> >
>
>
>
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24682 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:49am
Subject: RE: Installing A/C
Not sure about the complete install but I had a friend that needed new
hoses. When he looked at the cost for new ones he went to a recycle yard and
got some "recycled" ones for a fraction of the cost and they are working
great.
Joey K
93 YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:07 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Installing A/C
>
>
> Has anyone ever heard of someone buying the necessary parts from
> a junkyard and installing "factory" A/C? I found a good deal at AZ
> 4x4 Recyclers, and I'm thinking about putting it into the TJ. Is
> this even possible? Any thoughts? Should have bought it with A/C
> but never thought I would need it in Colorado. Who knew I would move
> to the desert???
>
> Lachlan
>
>
>
>
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>
>
24683 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:53am
Subject: diff. gasket ? Pretty colors!
Go with Black....it does not show as bad. "Image is Everything"
I base my RTV choice solely on its color matching abilities.
Blake
(Why does my Jeep always leak?)
-----Original Message-----
From: Damon Gentile [mailto:dgentile@s...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:45 AM
To: Joey K
Cc: Dan Coley; jeepin_in_az@y...; Az_Vjc
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] diff. gasket ?
RTV blue and RTV black work the same, only a different pigment,
and a few cents extra for the high-temp black packaging.
...from the engineer who made the stuff.
-d
Joey K wrote:
>
> Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover when you
put
> the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to auto zone
and
> asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover, expecting a
> color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested rtv black
> with the gasket.
> What do you guys suggest.
> >
>
>
>
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24684 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:55am
Subject: Re: diff. gasket ?
So couldn't you have made it so it didn't stick oh so well to human
skin?! =)
--- In az_vjc@y..., Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...> wrote:
> RTV blue and RTV black work the same, only a different pigment,
> and a few cents extra for the high-temp black packaging.
>
> ...from the engineer who made the stuff.
>
> -d
>
> Joey K wrote:
> >
> > Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover
when you put
> > the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to
auto zone and
> > asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover,
expecting a
> > color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested
rtv black
> > with the gasket.
> > What do you guys suggest.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24685 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 11:59am
Subject: Re: Re: diff. gasket ?
Sorry, secondhand from the engineer, not me, can't take credit
for that!
Try some latex gloves !
-d
Dan Coley wrote:
>
> So couldn't you have made it so it didn't stick oh so well to human
> skin?! =)
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...> wrote:
> > RTV blue and RTV black work the same, only a different pigment,
> > and a few cents extra for the high-temp black packaging.
> >
> > ...from the engineer who made the stuff.
> >
> > -d
> >
> > Joey K wrote:
> > >
> > > Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover
> when you put
> > > the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to
> auto zone and
> > > asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover,
> expecting a
> > > color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested
> rtv black
> > > with the gasket.
> > > What do you guys suggest.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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24686 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 0:15pm
Subject: RE: diff. gasket ? Pretty colors!
My thoughts as well!! :-)
Joey K
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blake Van de Loo [mailto:blake@m...]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:54 AM
> To: Az_Vjc (E-mail 2)
> Subject: [az_vjc] diff. gasket ? Pretty colors!
>
>
> Go with Black....it does not show as bad. "Image is Everything"
>
> I base my RTV choice solely on its color matching abilities.
>
>
> Blake
> (Why does my Jeep always leak?)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Damon Gentile [mailto:dgentile@s...]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 11:45 AM
> To: Joey K
> Cc: Dan Coley; jeepin_in_az@y...; Az_Vjc
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] diff. gasket ?
>
>
> RTV blue and RTV black work the same, only a different pigment,
> and a few cents extra for the high-temp black packaging.
>
> ...from the engineer who made the stuff.
>
> -d
>
> Joey K wrote:
> >
> > Dan, Mike, are you guy using a gasket and rtv to seal the cover when you
> put
> > the diff back to gether. Or are you just using rtv. I went to auto zone
> and
> > asked the parts guy what would I need to replace the cover, expecting a
> > color of rtv he looked up the part for the gasket and suggested
> rtv black
> > with the gasket.
> > What do you guys suggest.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
>
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24687 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:06pm
Subject: Re: diff. gasket ? Pretty colors!
I just use RTV in any color I can scrounge up. I'd go broke if I
bought a new gasket everytime I went in there. :)
Mike
24688 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:38pm
Subject: UPDATED upper ajax run
I have changed the meeting time to 7:00 am on Sunday to run Upper Ajax. I
think it would be too hot to do it later. Anyone coming yet?
=====
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2001 TJ
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24689 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:08pm
Subject: Re: Warranty Repairs and dealers . . . The Final Conflict
Its the Warn & Magnison Act, It basicly say's the modification must
have cuased the problem, if the modification did not cuase the problem
then the Warrenty must be enacted.
i.e. if you put a K&N air filter on, and you bring in for wheel
bearing problem, its going to be a preety far strecht that the K&N
caused a wheel bearing problem.
--- In az_vjc@y..., johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> Wasn't there a movie by this title? :)
>
> I've bought a couple of new cars, and had trouble with warranty
> repairs with both stock vehicles, and my modified 2000 Cherokee,
both
> at Earnhardt's dealerships.
>
> I have always ended up getting things fixed under warranty. You just
> have to know how to talk to these guys.
>
> The last time I took my Cherokee into Earnhardt's jeep was for a
> sticking passenger door lock.
>
> The service manager immediately said I had voided my warranty. I
> didn't even let him finish. I interrupted him, and said that there
is
> a federal law that protects consumer's rights concerning warranties
> on modified vehicles, and if he wanted to press the issue further,
to
> stop and give me Earnhardt's legal department. The service manager
> said nothing more and processed the warranty claim. I also said to
> make a note on my service record to not mention that to me anymore,
> either. While I was at it, I also told him I wanted a complimentary
> rental car for the time my truck was in the shop. I got everything I
> asked for.
>
> There was an article in a back issue of FOURWHEELER magazine that
> explained the manufacturer's warranty issue on modified vehicles
very
> clearly. It stated that the only parts that have voided warranties
> are those parts that have been directly modified or replaced. If I
> can find the article, I'll post the legislation number. Keep it in
> the glove box with your registration.
>
> John Rabenius
24690 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:09pm
Subject: Re: Warranty Repairs and dealers . . . The Final Conflict
I thought it was Magnusson-Moss
???
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., sinanturel@y... wrote:
> Its the Warn & Magnison Act, It basicly say's the modification must
> have cuased the problem, if the modification did not cuase the
problem
> then the Warrenty must be enacted.
> i.e. if you put a K&N air filter on, and you bring in for wheel
> bearing problem, its going to be a preety far strecht that the K&N
> caused a wheel bearing problem.
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > Wasn't there a movie by this title? :)
> >
> > I've bought a couple of new cars, and had trouble with warranty
> > repairs with both stock vehicles, and my modified 2000 Cherokee,
> both
> > at Earnhardt's dealerships.
> >
> > I have always ended up getting things fixed under warranty. You
just
> > have to know how to talk to these guys.
> >
> > The last time I took my Cherokee into Earnhardt's jeep was for a
> > sticking passenger door lock.
> >
> > The service manager immediately said I had voided my warranty. I
> > didn't even let him finish. I interrupted him, and said that there
> is
> > a federal law that protects consumer's rights concerning
warranties
> > on modified vehicles, and if he wanted to press the issue further,
> to
> > stop and give me Earnhardt's legal department. The service manager
> > said nothing more and processed the warranty claim. I also said to
> > make a note on my service record to not mention that to me
anymore,
> > either. While I was at it, I also told him I wanted a
complimentary
> > rental car for the time my truck was in the shop. I got everything
I
> > asked for.
> >
> > There was an article in a back issue of FOURWHEELER magazine that
> > explained the manufacturer's warranty issue on modified vehicles
> very
> > clearly. It stated that the only parts that have voided warranties
> > are those parts that have been directly modified or replaced. If I
> > can find the article, I'll post the legislation number. Keep it in
> > the glove box with your registration.
> >
> > John Rabenius
24691 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:11pm
Subject: Re: Warranty Repairs and dealers . . . The Final Conflict
I shoulda found this before posting:
http://www.ftc.gov/bcp/conline/pubs/buspubs/warranty/undermag.htm
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> I thought it was Magnusson-Moss
>
> ???
>
> Brent
>
24692 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 2:11pm
Subject: Re: Warranty Repairs and dealers . . . The Final Conflict
Opps, I thought about it only for a min.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Brent Lizakowski" <brent_lizakowski@h...> wrote:
> I thought it was Magnusson-Moss
>
> ???
>
> Brent
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., sinanturel@y... wrote:
> > Its the Warn & Magnison Act, It basicly say's the modification
must
> > have cuased the problem, if the modification did not cuase the
> problem
> > then the Warrenty must be enacted.
> > i.e. if you put a K&N air filter on, and you bring in for wheel
> > bearing problem, its going to be a preety far strecht that the K&N
> > caused a wheel bearing problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., johnrabenius@y... wrote:
> > > Wasn't there a movie by this title? :)
> > >
> > > I've bought a couple of new cars, and had trouble with warranty
> > > repairs with both stock vehicles, and my modified 2000 Cherokee,
> > both
> > > at Earnhardt's dealerships.
> > >
> > > I have always ended up getting things fixed under warranty. You
> just
> > > have to know how to talk to these guys.
> > >
> > > The last time I took my Cherokee into Earnhardt's jeep was for a
> > > sticking passenger door lock.
> > >
> > > The service manager immediately said I had voided my warranty. I
> > > didn't even let him finish. I interrupted him, and said that
there
> > is
> > > a federal law that protects consumer's rights concerning
> warranties
> > > on modified vehicles, and if he wanted to press the issue
further,
> > to
> > > stop and give me Earnhardt's legal department. The service
manager
> > > said nothing more and processed the warranty claim. I also said
to
> > > make a note on my service record to not mention that to me
> anymore,
> > > either. While I was at it, I also told him I wanted a
> complimentary
> > > rental car for the time my truck was in the shop. I got
everything
> I
> > > asked for.
> > >
> > > There was an article in a back issue of FOURWHEELER magazine
that
> > > explained the manufacturer's warranty issue on modified vehicles
> > very
> > > clearly. It stated that the only parts that have voided
warranties
> > > are those parts that have been directly modified or replaced. If
I
> > > can find the article, I'll post the legislation number. Keep it
in
> > > the glove box with your registration.
> > >
> > > John Rabenius
24693 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:00pm
Subject: Magnuson-Moss Act
I believe this is the actual act:
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/15/ch50.html
Correct me if I'm wrong.
24694 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:17pm
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
When we did my D44 gear change, we wrapped a chain around the carrier then
used a crowbar to pull on the chain using the outside of the case as a
leverage point.
Just like the first pic on this site:
http://dreamwater.com/zuk/dana44gears.html
Chris K
> From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
> To: Jeep List <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [az_vjc] D30 carrier
>
> I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover off
> and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out! I
> tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle jack
> against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to come
> out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I can
> barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
>
> Thanks!
>
> =====
> Mike Baney
> 2001 TJ
>
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24695 From: Michael Smith <msmith658@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:25pm
Subject: Rear Axle
I am in need of a rear axle for my 78 CJ7. It needs to have a
centered rear differential. Please respond via email before 5pm or
call me at 602-689-1761.
Thanks,
Michael Smith
24696 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:35pm
Subject: RE: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
Blake,
It can happen. I had about a half dozen items fixed under warranty while my
'98TJ was still under the 36 month mark (haven't made it to 36K miles yet).
This was all done after it had a Tera 2" lift, 32" tires, 4.56 gears, and a
Detroit locker and a Detroit Truetrac installed. Two of the problems
involved the D30....front steering/track bar and a improperly torqued axle
nut. (yes....I have no doubt in my mind that the axle nut was a direct
result of the gear/LSD install....the track bar...I am not sure if that was
from the lift or not.)
I had to take it back twice for the axle nut problem, as they could not get
the symptoms to reproduce at the dealership on the 1st visit (how do you fix
what you can not detect?). Once I discovered how to produce the symptoms on
demand, I scheduled a return visit and they had it fixed the same day.
Never once did they argue or raise an eyebrow over what was worked on. And
that was even after the service manager and I had a few exchanges about the
quality of work that was done on my TJ and my wifes XJ (hers was not
warranty work).
This was done at the old Bidulph Jeep dealership in Glendale (now Glendale
Automotive?).
So....I am telling the truth....I don't know anyone that works
there.....etc. It is just how it was.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: blake shepherd [mailto:blake@b...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:00 AM
To: 'aphrodsyak@a...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to repair
something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling the
entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: aphrodsyak@a... [mailto:aphrodsyak@a...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:53 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I have gone to Darners for years. I have only had them turn me down once
for anything. They gave me a new transfer case, and I had a 4 inch lift and
33's and a new tranny. Even a new alternator because wine in the
bearings,
I never even talked to them about it and it worked fine. They also worked
a deal with me on a dented fuel tank. They replaced the tank saying that
"it was deformed from the factory" and only charged me to change the tank
and
bang out the dent in the skid plate. I had a guy named sam as a service
advisor and they were awesome. I didnt even buy the thing there!!!
The only thing they ever shot me down on was a pinion bearing in the rear
and they wouldn't have but I had regeared.,
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DARNERS IN MESA TO ANYONE FOR SERVICE>
that me recommendation, anyone evry have any problems there?????
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24697 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 3:44pm
Subject: Reminder: Upper and Lower Woodpecker Saturday night
John Butler and I are meeting at the Texaco at Florence Jct. Please respond if you are coming. Thanks.
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24698 From: <ALIRAL17@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
WATER WILL RUST AND CORRODE THE INTERNALS OF YOUR COOLING SYSTEM MUCH QUICKER
THAN A 50/50 MIX OF COOLANT AND WATER
24699 From: <ALIRAL17@A...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 1:29pm
Subject: Re: PowerAid Install
I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF EVERYBODY INSTALLING THROTTLE BODY
SPACERS, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THERE IS NO BENEFIT WHAT SO EVER UNLESS YOU
ACTUALLY HAVE FUEL PASSING THROUGH THE SPACER, AND EVEN YET SPACER HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN USED IN RACING TO BETTER ATOMIZE FUEL AT HIGHER RPM'S. BEATS
ME.......
24700 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:37pm
Subject: Open Seat Still!
Still have an open seat in the TJ for the Crown King
Trip Tomorrow. Give me an e-mail.
Jake
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24701 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:38pm
Subject: Thanks for Great service
I know it has been mentioned before but I want to thank Roosevelt Alignment
and Flexy Joe for fitting me into there schedule at short notice this week.
I had just completed replacing my tie rod ends and called late Thursday to
set up an alignment. Even though they were very busy Joe got me in on
Friday. They even noticed that my steering box was loose before even
starting. Thanks again Joe and I would highly recommend them to anyone
needing some work done they do more then just alignments. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
24702 From: Michael Earls <michael@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 6:58pm
Subject: RE: PowerAid Install
Did you know that writing an email in all capital letters is considered
yelling in Internet etiquette?
I'm sure people have a valid reason for doing anything they please to their
Jeeps.
Just a thought...
Michael Earls
-----Original Message-----
From: ALIRAL17@A... [mailto:ALIRAL17@A...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 5:30 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] PowerAid Install
I STILL DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE POINT OF EVERYBODY INSTALLING THROTTLE BODY
SPACERS, IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT THERE IS NO BENEFIT WHAT SO EVER UNLESS YOU
ACTUALLY HAVE FUEL PASSING THROUGH THE SPACER, AND EVEN YET SPACER HAVE
ALWAYS BEEN USED IN RACING TO BETTER ATOMIZE FUEL AT HIGHER RPM'S. BEATS
ME.......
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24703 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:30pm
Subject: Re: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I bought my ZJ used from Darner. They gave me a 30 day/1000 mile
warrantyy (whatever came first). I got about $1000 parts and labor out
of them before they finally said enough is enough! It was a great deal!
I bought the ZJ way under wholesale blue book and they fixed it.
Additionally they are the only dealership I know of that will help in
finding parts for old Dodge and Plymouth trucks.
Linda
Daver wrote:
>
> blake shepherd wrote:
> > I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
> > cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to repair
> > something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
> > Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling the
> > entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
>
> Never having bought a "new" jeep, I can't speak ho jeep dealers, but I
> have bought a new dodge. Performance Dodge has replaced stuff under
> warrantee for free while we were getting the oil changed that we didn't
> even know was broke. In some cases, it wasn't even broke, they had just
> received a bulletin that it _might_ break. And we DON'T know anyone
> there.
>
> Believe it...or NOT!
>
> Just kidding. Believe it, it's true. Good dealers DO exist.
>
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