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24654 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 7:54pm
Subject: Re: Kilby Install
You probably already know... but if at all possible, do this when you
have as little fuel in your tank as possible. I planned it out just
right where I was on "fumes" when I installed mine.
A gallon of gas weighs roughly 8 lbs. Having a lighter tank will make
the job much easier.
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Rick Hall" <ricknhall@h...> wrote:
> Well I just got home and no FSM (should have been here today).
Problem is I am planning to install the Kilby skid tomorrow (Chris
K. - I didn't bother you since it was such short notice). The catch
is I don't know how to depressurize the tank in my 98TJ (2.5l) and
the install instructions from Kilby say look in the FSM on how to do
it. Is this something easy to explain via email or should I wait for
the manual?
>
> Rick
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24655 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 7:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was astonished to
find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
> He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the cooling
> systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough time
> with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
> eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I had been
> around.
> I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all last
> summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble with it.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
>
> @a...> wrote:
> > Dan,
> >
> > (How are you doing?)
> > Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
> running
> > the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it wasn't in
> > the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the cooling
> > vanes in the radiator.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
> > > Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start with "What if",
> I
> > > drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the A/C on
> the
> > > whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming the
> > therm.
> > > is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4 cyl
> > though,
> > > if that means anything.
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > > > Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
> wouldn't
> > > just
> > > > accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
> > > >
> > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > >
> > > > -Roger
> > > >
> > > > jhershauer@i... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that you're not
> > > alone. I
> > > > > briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
> > current '99
> > > TJ has done
> > > > > it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in the
> summer,
> > > and each TJ
> > > > > did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the dealership
> > > about it the
> > > > > first time it happened on my '99, and he said something about
> > > giving the
> > > > > Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still shoot
> up
> > > into the red
> > > > > if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it starting to
> > inch
> > > up towards
> > > > > the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned off the
> > A/C
> > > before it
> > > > > got bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch it in the
> > > summer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff ('99 TJ)
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
24656 From: <jeepw99@m...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 8:23pm
Subject: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
I have never had that problem with my 99 tj. I have the 6 cyl and
have ran it with the air and it never reached much over 210 (half way
on the guage).
Mark
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was
astonished to
> find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
>
>
> > He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the cooling
> > systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough time
> > with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
> > eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I had
been
> > around.
> > I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all last
> > summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble with
it.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
> >
> > @a...> wrote:
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > (How are you doing?)
> > > Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
> > running
> > > the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it wasn't
in
> > > the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the
cooling
> > > vanes in the radiator.
> > >
> > > --James
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
> > > > Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start with "What
if",
> > I
> > > > drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the A/C on
> > the
> > > > whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming the
> > > therm.
> > > > is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4 cyl
> > > though,
> > > > if that means anything.
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > > > > Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
> > wouldn't
> > > > just
> > > > > accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Roger
> > > > >
> > > > > jhershauer@i... wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that you're
not
> > > > alone. I
> > > > > > briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
> > > current '99
> > > > TJ has done
> > > > > > it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in the
> > summer,
> > > > and each TJ
> > > > > > did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the
dealership
> > > > about it the
> > > > > > first time it happened on my '99, and he said something
about
> > > > giving the
> > > > > > Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still
shoot
> > up
> > > > into the red
> > > > > > if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it starting
to
> > > inch
> > > > up towards
> > > > > > the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned off
the
> > > A/C
> > > > before it
> > > > > > got bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch it in
the
> > > > summer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff ('99 TJ)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
24657 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 9:12pm
Subject: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
Mark,
Do you drive it very long? If I use the air on my 4.0 tj it is always
up at 210 and sometimes higher. At 210 the fan clutch kicks in so I
really notice the difference, power and sound.
I generally flush my system every year also. Maybe, I got a wimpy
radiator.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
> I have never had that problem with my 99 tj. I have the 6 cyl and
> have ran it with the air and it never reached much over 210 (half
way
> on the guage).
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> > Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was
> astonished to
> > find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
> > Bill
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
> >
> >
> > > He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the
cooling
> > > systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough
time
> > > with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
> > > eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I
had
> been
> > > around.
> > > I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all
last
> > > summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble
with
> it.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
> > >
> > > @a...> wrote:
> > > > Dan,
> > > >
> > > > (How are you doing?)
> > > > Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
> > > running
> > > > the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it
wasn't
> in
> > > > the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the
> cooling
> > > > vanes in the radiator.
> > > >
> > > > --James
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start with "What
> if",
> > > I
> > > > > drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the A/C
on
> > > the
> > > > > whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming
the
> > > > therm.
> > > > > is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4
cyl
> > > > though,
> > > > > if that means anything.
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
> > > wouldn't
> > > > > just
> > > > > > accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Roger
> > > > > >
> > > > > > jhershauer@i... wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that you're
> not
> > > > > alone. I
> > > > > > > briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
> > > > current '99
> > > > > TJ has done
> > > > > > > it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in the
> > > summer,
> > > > > and each TJ
> > > > > > > did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the
> dealership
> > > > > about it the
> > > > > > > first time it happened on my '99, and he said something
> about
> > > > > giving the
> > > > > > > Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still
> shoot
> > > up
> > > > > into the red
> > > > > > > if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it
starting
> to
> > > > inch
> > > > > up towards
> > > > > > > the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned
off
> the
> > > > A/C
> > > > > before it
> > > > > > > got bad.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch it
in
> the
> > > > > summer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeff ('99 TJ)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
24658 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 9:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
I've heard of people just running distilled water and water wetter type
stuff and they say it runs cooler than an antifreeze/water mix. Is this
correct or myth?
Chris K
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 04:12:11 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
>
> Mark,
>
> Do you drive it very long? If I use the air on my 4.0 tj it is always
> up at 210 and sometimes higher. At 210 the fan clutch kicks in so I
> really notice the difference, power and sound.
> I generally flush my system every year also. Maybe, I got a wimpy
> radiator.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
>> I have never had that problem with my 99 tj. I have the 6 cyl and
>> have ran it with the air and it never reached much over 210 (half
> way
>> on the guage).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
>>> Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was
>> astonished to
>>> find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
>>> To: <az_vjc@y...>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
>>>
>>>
>>>> He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the
> cooling
>>>> systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough
> time
>>>> with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
>>>> eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I
> had
>> been
>>>> around.
>>>> I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all
> last
>>>> summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble
> with
>> it.
>>>>
>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
>>>>
>>>> @a...> wrote:
>>>>> Dan,
>>>>>
>>>>> (How are you doing?)
>>>>> Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
>>>> running
>>>>> the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it
> wasn't
>> in
>>>>> the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the
>> cooling
>>>>> vanes in the radiator.
>>>>>
>>>>> --James
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
>>>>>> Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start with "What
>> if",
>>>> I
>>>>>> drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the A/C
> on
>>>> the
>>>>>> whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming
> the
>>>>> therm.
>>>>>> is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4
> cyl
>>>>> though,
>>>>>> if that means anything.
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Roger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jhershauer@i... wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that you're
>> not
>>>>>> alone. I
>>>>>>>> briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
>>>>> current '99
>>>>>> TJ has done
>>>>>>>> it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in the
>>>> summer,
>>>>>> and each TJ
>>>>>>>> did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the
>> dealership
>>>>>> about it the
>>>>>>>> first time it happened on my '99, and he said something
>> about
>>>>>> giving the
>>>>>>>> Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still
>> shoot
>>>> up
>>>>>> into the red
>>>>>>>> if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it
> starting
>> to
>>>>> inch
>>>>>> up towards
>>>>>>>> the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned
> off
>> the
>>>>> A/C
>>>>>> before it
>>>>>>>> got bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch it
> in
>> the
>>>>>> summer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff ('99 TJ)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
24659 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 10:02pm
Subject: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
FWIW,
I run my Jeep ('99 TJ) from Tucson to Phoenix all the time. Most of
the time with the air at full blast and at speeds of 80 mph or more.
I've never once seen my thermostat go over the halfway mark (210*).
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Do you drive it very long? If I use the air on my 4.0 tj it is
always
> up at 210 and sometimes higher. At 210 the fan clutch kicks in so I
> really notice the difference, power and sound.
> I generally flush my system every year also. Maybe, I got a wimpy
> radiator.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
> > I have never had that problem with my 99 tj. I have the 6 cyl
and
> > have ran it with the air and it never reached much over 210 (half
> way
> > on the guage).
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> > > Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was
> > astonished to
> > > find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > > He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the
> cooling
> > > > systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough
> time
> > > > with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
> > > > eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I
> had
> > been
> > > > around.
> > > > I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all
> last
> > > > summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble
> with
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
> > > >
> > > > @a...> wrote:
> > > > > Dan,
> > > > >
> > > > > (How are you doing?)
> > > > > Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
> > > > running
> > > > > the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it
> wasn't
> > in
> > > > > the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the
> > cooling
> > > > > vanes in the radiator.
> > > > >
> > > > > --James
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start
with "What
> > if",
> > > > I
> > > > > > drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the
A/C
> on
> > > > the
> > > > > > whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming
> the
> > > > > therm.
> > > > > > is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4
> cyl
> > > > > though,
> > > > > > if that means anything.
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Roger
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jhershauer@i... wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that
you're
> > not
> > > > > > alone. I
> > > > > > > > briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
> > > > > current '99
> > > > > > TJ has done
> > > > > > > > it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in
the
> > > > summer,
> > > > > > and each TJ
> > > > > > > > did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the
> > dealership
> > > > > > about it the
> > > > > > > > first time it happened on my '99, and he said
something
> > about
> > > > > > giving the
> > > > > > > > Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still
> > shoot
> > > > up
> > > > > > into the red
> > > > > > > > if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it
> starting
> > to
> > > > > inch
> > > > > > up towards
> > > > > > > > the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned
> off
> > the
> > > > > A/C
> > > > > > before it
> > > > > > > > got bad.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch
it
> in
> > the
> > > > > > summer.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jeff ('99 TJ)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
24660 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 11:03pm
Subject: RE: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
It probably would but I would wonder about the lubricating/anti-corrosion
without the ethylene glycol.
Eric Herring 92 XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:47 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
I've heard of people just running distilled water and water wetter type
stuff and they say it runs cooler than an antifreeze/water mix. Is this
correct or myth?
Chris K
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 04:12:11 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
>
> Mark,
>
> Do you drive it very long? If I use the air on my 4.0 tj it is always
> up at 210 and sometimes higher. At 210 the fan clutch kicks in so I
> really notice the difference, power and sound.
> I generally flush my system every year also. Maybe, I got a wimpy
> radiator.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
>> I have never had that problem with my 99 tj. I have the 6 cyl and
>> have ran it with the air and it never reached much over 210 (half
> way
>> on the guage).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
>>> Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was
>> astonished to
>>> find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
>>> To: <az_vjc@y...>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
>>>
>>>
>>>> He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the
> cooling
>>>> systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough
> time
>>>> with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
>>>> eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I
> had
>> been
>>>> around.
>>>> I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all
> last
>>>> summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble
> with
>> it.
>>>>
>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
>>>>
>>>> @a...> wrote:
>>>>> Dan,
>>>>>
>>>>> (How are you doing?)
>>>>> Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
>>>> running
>>>>> the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it
> wasn't
>> in
>>>>> the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the
>> cooling
>>>>> vanes in the radiator.
>>>>>
>>>>> --James
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
>>>>>> Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start with "What
>> if",
>>>> I
>>>>>> drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the A/C
> on
>>>> the
>>>>>> whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming
> the
>>>>> therm.
>>>>>> is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4
> cyl
>>>>> though,
>>>>>> if that means anything.
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Roger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jhershauer@i... wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that you're
>> not
>>>>>> alone. I
>>>>>>>> briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
>>>>> current '99
>>>>>> TJ has done
>>>>>>>> it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in the
>>>> summer,
>>>>>> and each TJ
>>>>>>>> did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the
>> dealership
>>>>>> about it the
>>>>>>>> first time it happened on my '99, and he said something
>> about
>>>>>> giving the
>>>>>>>> Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still
>> shoot
>>>> up
>>>>>> into the red
>>>>>>>> if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it
> starting
>> to
>>>>> inch
>>>>>> up towards
>>>>>>>> the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned
> off
>> the
>>>>> A/C
>>>>>> before it
>>>>>>>> got bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch it
> in
>> the
>>>>>> summer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff ('99 TJ)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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24661 From: Keith - Editor - Alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 11:37pm
Subject: I want to wheel this weekend
I want to wheel this weekend don;t care where I have a 6" lift and 35's that need to be tryed out and also have WWW.ALLOFFROAD.COM t-shirts to sell :)
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24662 From: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:51am
Subject: PowerAid Install
I just installed PowerAid Helix throttle body spacer http://www.air-aid.com/p2.html. This spacer is for the 2.5l (they also have the 4.0l model). The install is a breeze and I did not have any whistle. I am not sure if I would deem the power difference significant but there was some improvement. Of course that could be because my throttle body was dirty and I cleaned it. My main interest is highway power so a little trip is in order for the test. Anyway I will post up changes in MPG and Macromotive carries the spacer. With our discount it's $63.40 sans shipping & tax.
Rick
24663 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 6:03am
Subject: Re: Re: Kilby Install
On the fuel rail (at least up until 98?) there is a little scrader
valve, just like the style that is on a tire to fill it. Unscrew the
plastic cap and press in on the little valve stem. Have a containter
handy as this will squirt gas a good distance...
-d
Stu Olson wrote:
>
> Nope...you have to release the pressure in the fuel rail system. The line
> coming from the tank (where the pump is) up to the fuel injector is under
> pressure....even after you turn off your engine.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:45 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Kilby Install
>
> Doesn't this (depressurize the tank) just mean, to open the system
> (tank off the cap)?
>
> Maybe that's too easy.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Rick Hall" <ricknhall@h...> wrote:
> > Well I just got home and no FSM (should have been here today).
> Problem is I am planning to install the Kilby skid tomorrow (Chris
> K. - I didn't bother you since it was such short notice). The catch
> is I don't know how to depressurize the tank in my 98TJ (2.5l) and
> the install instructions from Kilby say look in the FSM on how to do
> it. Is this something easy to explain via email or should I wait for
> the manual?
> >
> > Rick
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24664 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 7:56am
Subject: D30 carrier
I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover off
and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out! I
tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle jack
against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to come
out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I can
barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
Thanks!
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2001 TJ
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24665 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 7:58am
Subject: Re: I want to wheel this weekend
Hey Keith,
I am going to do Upper Ajax on Sunday if you are interested. I want to
buy a shirt too from you.
--- "Keith - Editor - Alloffroad.com" <crusari@p...> wrote:
> I want to wheel this weekend don;t care where I have a 6" lift and 35's
> that need to be tryed out and also have WWW.ALLOFFROAD.COM t-shirts to
> sell :)
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24666 From: David W. Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:08am
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
Did you pull the axle's out.
>From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
>To: Jeep List <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] D30 carrier
>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover off
>and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out! I
>tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle jack
>against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to come
>out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I can
>barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
>
>Thanks!
>
>=====
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>2001 TJ
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24667 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:24am
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
BTW, I did pull the axles out!
--- "David W. Smith" <dwsmith69@h...> wrote:
> Did you pull the axle's out.
>
>
> >From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> >To: Jeep List <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [az_vjc] D30 carrier
> >Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover
> off
> >and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out!
> I
> >tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle
> jack
> >against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to
> come
> >out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I
> can
> >barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
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> >2001 TJ
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24668 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:29am
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
Rap a strap or a chain with a very high tensile strength around the
carrier (after pulling the bearing bolts, bearing caps and axles
out). Then put your hi-lift with the base against the housing, and
attach the strap to the lifting mechanism of the hi-lift. Then jack
it up, which will slowly at first pull on the carrier. Be ready
though, cause when it comes out, it comes ALL the way out right away
and so you need something soft for it to land on.
The same thing with a come along should also work.
MAKE SURE you put the bearing caps, and bolts back in in the exactly
same orientatino and position that they came out of. And when
putting the ring gear back on, put the bolts in a criss-cross pattern
in order to seat it properly on the carrier. And make sure it goes
back on in the exact same position too.
Sorry I couldn't make it over last night, got too wrapped up in my
own jeep doings.
24669 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:30am
Subject: Re: I want to wheel this weekend
Keith,
John Butler and I are doing our first rock runs with our RE long arm
kits. I've done a couple easy shakedown runs and will be running Upper and
Lower Woodpecker on Saturday night. It's nothing extreme, just a chance
to get used to the feel of the new suspension on the rocks. We are
meeting at the Texaco in Florence Jct at 4:30 pm.
Scott
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24670 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 9:20am
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
Mike: Don't worry about being too "gentle," get a pry bar wedged
between the carrier and the housing and just force it out. Make sure
it has something soft to land on, as when it comes out, it comes OUT.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover off
> and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out! I
> tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle jack
> against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to come
> out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I can
> barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
>
> Thanks!
>
> =====
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> 2001 TJ
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24671 From: <aphrodsyak@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:53am
Subject: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I have gone to Darners for years. I have only had them turn me down once
for anything. They gave me a new transfer case, and I had a 4 inch lift and
33's and a new tranny. Even a new alternator because wine in the bearings,
I never even talked to them about it and it worked fine. They also worked
a deal with me on a dented fuel tank. They replaced the tank saying that
"it was deformed from the factory" and only charged me to change the tank and
bang out the dent in the skid plate. I had a guy named sam as a service
advisor and they were awesome. I didnt even buy the thing there!!!
The only thing they ever shot me down on was a pinion bearing in the rear
and they wouldn't have but I had regeared.,
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DARNERS IN MESA TO ANYONE FOR SERVICE>
that me recommendation, anyone evry have any problems there?????
24672 From: blake shepherd <blake@b...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 9:59am
Subject: RE: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to repair
something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling the
entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: aphrodsyak@a... [mailto:aphrodsyak@a...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:53 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I have gone to Darners for years. I have only had them turn me down once
for anything. They gave me a new transfer case, and I had a 4 inch lift and
33's and a new tranny. Even a new alternator because wine in the
bearings,
I never even talked to them about it and it worked fine. They also worked
a deal with me on a dented fuel tank. They replaced the tank saying that
"it was deformed from the factory" and only charged me to change the tank
and
bang out the dent in the skid plate. I had a guy named sam as a service
advisor and they were awesome. I didnt even buy the thing there!!!
The only thing they ever shot me down on was a pinion bearing in the rear
and they wouldn't have but I had regeared.,
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DARNERS IN MESA TO ANYONE FOR SERVICE>
that me recommendation, anyone evry have any problems there?????
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24673 From: ERIC C MARBLE <emarble3@p...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:07am
Subject: Re: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
Darner has always been very good in the service dpt. It is the only place
I'll go if I have to go to a dealer
----- Original Message -----
From: "blake shepherd" <blake@b...>
To: <aphrodsyak@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
> I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
> cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to
repair
> something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
> Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling
the
> entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
>
> Blake
> 80CJ5
> 01 TJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aphrodsyak@a... [mailto:aphrodsyak@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:53 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
>
>
> I have gone to Darners for years. I have only had them turn me down once
> for anything. They gave me a new transfer case, and I had a 4 inch lift
and
>
> 33's and a new tranny. Even a new alternator because wine in the
> bearings,
> I never even talked to them about it and it worked fine. They also
worked
>
> a deal with me on a dented fuel tank. They replaced the tank saying that
> "it was deformed from the factory" and only charged me to change the tank
> and
> bang out the dent in the skid plate. I had a guy named sam as a service
> advisor and they were awesome. I didnt even buy the thing there!!!
>
> The only thing they ever shot me down on was a pinion bearing in the rear
> and they wouldn't have but I had regeared.,
>
>
> I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DARNERS IN MESA TO ANYONE FOR SERVICE>
>
> that me recommendation, anyone evry have any problems there?????
>
>
>
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24674 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:07am
Subject: Installing A/C
Has anyone ever heard of someone buying the necessary parts from
a junkyard and installing "factory" A/C? I found a good deal at AZ
4x4 Recyclers, and I'm thinking about putting it into the TJ. Is
this even possible? Any thoughts? Should have bought it with A/C
but never thought I would need it in Colorado. Who knew I would move
to the desert???
Lachlan
24675 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:09am
Subject: Re: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
blake shepherd wrote:
> I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
> cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to repair
> something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
> Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling the
> entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
Never having bought a "new" jeep, I can't speak ho jeep dealers, but I
have bought a new dodge. Performance Dodge has replaced stuff under
warrantee for free while we were getting the oil changed that we didn't
even know was broke. In some cases, it wasn't even broke, they had just
received a bulletin that it _might_ break. And we DON'T know anyone
there.
Believe it...or NOT!
Just kidding. Believe it, it's true. Good dealers DO exist.
24676 From: <aphrodsyak@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 6:10am
Subject: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers(take 2)
From: AphroDsyak@a...
Full-name: AphroDsyak
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:09:33 EDT
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
To: blake@b...
This club is for sharing information. unless you went to that dealer with
the exact problem I had and they told you something diferent I would suggest
that you NOT CALL ANYONE A LIAR! you can keep those opinions to your self,
or you write them back to me personally.
Do you think that I just sit here making up stories??? I moved here from
washington state about 3 years ago, I took it to Darner first and got very
lucky, they were close. I dodnt know anyone. much less someone at the
dealership, MAYBE YOU SHOULDN"T HAVE BOUGHT A CHEVY. ( jk ) :) I have
never heard anything bad on this site about them either. IF you doubt me
try them next time. Then at least you will be speaking with some experience.
ERIC
24677 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:29am
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
Best trick I've used is to wedge a crowbaron the backside of
the carrier (back of ring gear) and between the inside of the
housing. Rotate the pinion so that the carrier jams the crowbar
in there. Rotate the pinion a little more and the carrier will
rotate up and pop out by about 1" so you can easily pop it out
by hand or with a gentle crowbar.
-d
Mike Baney wrote:
>
> I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover off
> and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out! I
> tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle jack
> against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to come
> out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I can
> barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
>
> Thanks!
>
> =====
> Mike Baney
> 2001 TJ
>
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24678 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:53am
Subject: RE: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I never had any problems getting warranty stuff fixed on my 94 YJ even at
Earnharts. This was even with 4" of lift & MT's.
Eric Herring 92xj
-----Original Message-----
From: blake shepherd [mailto:blake@b...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:00 AM
To: 'aphrodsyak@a...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to repair
something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling the
entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: aphrodsyak@a... [mailto:aphrodsyak@a...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:53 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I have gone to Darners for years. I have only had them turn me down once
for anything. They gave me a new transfer case, and I had a 4 inch lift and
33's and a new tranny. Even a new alternator because wine in the
bearings,
I never even talked to them about it and it worked fine. They also worked
a deal with me on a dented fuel tank. They replaced the tank saying that
"it was deformed from the factory" and only charged me to change the tank
and
bang out the dent in the skid plate. I had a guy named sam as a service
advisor and they were awesome. I didnt even buy the thing there!!!
The only thing they ever shot me down on was a pinion bearing in the rear
and they wouldn't have but I had regeared.,
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DARNERS IN MESA TO ANYONE FOR SERVICE>
that me recommendation, anyone evry have any problems there?????
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24654 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 7:54pm
Subject: Re: Kilby Install
You probably already know... but if at all possible, do this when you
have as little fuel in your tank as possible. I planned it out just
right where I was on "fumes" when I installed mine.
A gallon of gas weighs roughly 8 lbs. Having a lighter tank will make
the job much easier.
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Rick Hall" <ricknhall@h...> wrote:
> Well I just got home and no FSM (should have been here today).
Problem is I am planning to install the Kilby skid tomorrow (Chris
K. - I didn't bother you since it was such short notice). The catch
is I don't know how to depressurize the tank in my 98TJ (2.5l) and
the install instructions from Kilby say look in the FSM on how to do
it. Is this something easy to explain via email or should I wait for
the manual?
>
> Rick
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24655 From: Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 7:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was astonished to
find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
> He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the cooling
> systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough time
> with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
> eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I had been
> around.
> I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all last
> summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble with it.
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
>
> @a...> wrote:
> > Dan,
> >
> > (How are you doing?)
> > Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
> running
> > the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it wasn't in
> > the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the cooling
> > vanes in the radiator.
> >
> > --James
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
> > > Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start with "What if",
> I
> > > drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the A/C on
> the
> > > whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming the
> > therm.
> > > is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4 cyl
> > though,
> > > if that means anything.
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > > > Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
> wouldn't
> > > just
> > > > accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
> > > >
> > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > >
> > > > -Roger
> > > >
> > > > jhershauer@i... wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that you're not
> > > alone. I
> > > > > briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
> > current '99
> > > TJ has done
> > > > > it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in the
> summer,
> > > and each TJ
> > > > > did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the dealership
> > > about it the
> > > > > first time it happened on my '99, and he said something about
> > > giving the
> > > > > Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still shoot
> up
> > > into the red
> > > > > if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it starting to
> > inch
> > > up towards
> > > > > the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned off the
> > A/C
> > > before it
> > > > > got bad.
> > > > >
> > > > > I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch it in the
> > > summer.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jeff ('99 TJ)
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
24656 From: <jeepw99@m...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 8:23pm
Subject: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
I have never had that problem with my 99 tj. I have the 6 cyl and
have ran it with the air and it never reached much over 210 (half way
on the guage).
Mark
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was
astonished to
> find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@y...>
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
>
>
> > He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the cooling
> > systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough time
> > with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
> > eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I had
been
> > around.
> > I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all last
> > summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble with
it.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
> >
> > @a...> wrote:
> > > Dan,
> > >
> > > (How are you doing?)
> > > Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
> > running
> > > the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it wasn't
in
> > > the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the
cooling
> > > vanes in the radiator.
> > >
> > > --James
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
> > > > Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start with "What
if",
> > I
> > > > drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the A/C on
> > the
> > > > whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming the
> > > therm.
> > > > is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4 cyl
> > > though,
> > > > if that means anything.
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > > > > Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
> > wouldn't
> > > > just
> > > > > accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
> > > > >
> > > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Roger
> > > > >
> > > > > jhershauer@i... wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that you're
not
> > > > alone. I
> > > > > > briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
> > > current '99
> > > > TJ has done
> > > > > > it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in the
> > summer,
> > > > and each TJ
> > > > > > did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the
dealership
> > > > about it the
> > > > > > first time it happened on my '99, and he said something
about
> > > > giving the
> > > > > > Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still
shoot
> > up
> > > > into the red
> > > > > > if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it starting
to
> > > inch
> > > > up towards
> > > > > > the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned off
the
> > > A/C
> > > > before it
> > > > > > got bad.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch it in
the
> > > > summer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff ('99 TJ)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
24657 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 9:12pm
Subject: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
Mark,
Do you drive it very long? If I use the air on my 4.0 tj it is always
up at 210 and sometimes higher. At 210 the fan clutch kicks in so I
really notice the difference, power and sound.
I generally flush my system every year also. Maybe, I got a wimpy
radiator.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
> I have never had that problem with my 99 tj. I have the 6 cyl and
> have ran it with the air and it never reached much over 210 (half
way
> on the guage).
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> > Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was
> astonished to
> > find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
> > Bill
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
> > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
> >
> >
> > > He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the
cooling
> > > systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough
time
> > > with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
> > > eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I
had
> been
> > > around.
> > > I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all
last
> > > summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble
with
> it.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
> > >
> > > @a...> wrote:
> > > > Dan,
> > > >
> > > > (How are you doing?)
> > > > Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
> > > running
> > > > the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it
wasn't
> in
> > > > the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the
> cooling
> > > > vanes in the radiator.
> > > >
> > > > --James
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
> > > > > Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start with "What
> if",
> > > I
> > > > > drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the A/C
on
> > > the
> > > > > whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming
the
> > > > therm.
> > > > > is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4
cyl
> > > > though,
> > > > > if that means anything.
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
> > > wouldn't
> > > > > just
> > > > > > accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Roger
> > > > > >
> > > > > > jhershauer@i... wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that you're
> not
> > > > > alone. I
> > > > > > > briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
> > > > current '99
> > > > > TJ has done
> > > > > > > it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in the
> > > summer,
> > > > > and each TJ
> > > > > > > did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the
> dealership
> > > > > about it the
> > > > > > > first time it happened on my '99, and he said something
> about
> > > > > giving the
> > > > > > > Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still
> shoot
> > > up
> > > > > into the red
> > > > > > > if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it
starting
> to
> > > > inch
> > > > > up towards
> > > > > > > the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned
off
> the
> > > > A/C
> > > > > before it
> > > > > > > got bad.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch it
in
> the
> > > > > summer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeff ('99 TJ)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > >
> > >
> > >
24658 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 9:46pm
Subject: Re: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
I've heard of people just running distilled water and water wetter type
stuff and they say it runs cooler than an antifreeze/water mix. Is this
correct or myth?
Chris K
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 04:12:11 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
>
> Mark,
>
> Do you drive it very long? If I use the air on my 4.0 tj it is always
> up at 210 and sometimes higher. At 210 the fan clutch kicks in so I
> really notice the difference, power and sound.
> I generally flush my system every year also. Maybe, I got a wimpy
> radiator.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
>> I have never had that problem with my 99 tj. I have the 6 cyl and
>> have ran it with the air and it never reached much over 210 (half
> way
>> on the guage).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
>>> Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was
>> astonished to
>>> find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
>>> To: <az_vjc@y...>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
>>>
>>>
>>>> He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the
> cooling
>>>> systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough
> time
>>>> with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
>>>> eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I
> had
>> been
>>>> around.
>>>> I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all
> last
>>>> summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble
> with
>> it.
>>>>
>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
>>>>
>>>> @a...> wrote:
>>>>> Dan,
>>>>>
>>>>> (How are you doing?)
>>>>> Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
>>>> running
>>>>> the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it
> wasn't
>> in
>>>>> the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the
>> cooling
>>>>> vanes in the radiator.
>>>>>
>>>>> --James
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
>>>>>> Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start with "What
>> if",
>>>> I
>>>>>> drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the A/C
> on
>>>> the
>>>>>> whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming
> the
>>>>> therm.
>>>>>> is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4
> cyl
>>>>> though,
>>>>>> if that means anything.
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Roger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jhershauer@i... wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that you're
>> not
>>>>>> alone. I
>>>>>>>> briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
>>>>> current '99
>>>>>> TJ has done
>>>>>>>> it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in the
>>>> summer,
>>>>>> and each TJ
>>>>>>>> did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the
>> dealership
>>>>>> about it the
>>>>>>>> first time it happened on my '99, and he said something
>> about
>>>>>> giving the
>>>>>>>> Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still
>> shoot
>>>> up
>>>>>> into the red
>>>>>>>> if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it
> starting
>> to
>>>>> inch
>>>>>> up towards
>>>>>>>> the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned
> off
>> the
>>>>> A/C
>>>>>> before it
>>>>>>>> got bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch it
> in
>> the
>>>>>> summer.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff ('99 TJ)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
24659 From: Brent Lizakowski <brent_lizakowski@h...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 10:02pm
Subject: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
FWIW,
I run my Jeep ('99 TJ) from Tucson to Phoenix all the time. Most of
the time with the air at full blast and at speeds of 80 mph or more.
I've never once seen my thermostat go over the halfway mark (210*).
Brent
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> Mark,
>
> Do you drive it very long? If I use the air on my 4.0 tj it is
always
> up at 210 and sometimes higher. At 210 the fan clutch kicks in so I
> really notice the difference, power and sound.
> I generally flush my system every year also. Maybe, I got a wimpy
> radiator.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
> > I have never had that problem with my 99 tj. I have the 6 cyl
and
> > have ran it with the air and it never reached much over 210 (half
> way
> > on the guage).
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
> > > Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was
> > astonished to
> > > find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
> > > Bill
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
> > > To: <az_vjc@y...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
> > >
> > >
> > > > He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the
> cooling
> > > > systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough
> time
> > > > with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
> > > > eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I
> had
> > been
> > > > around.
> > > > I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all
> last
> > > > summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble
> with
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
> > > >
> > > > @a...> wrote:
> > > > > Dan,
> > > > >
> > > > > (How are you doing?)
> > > > > Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
> > > > running
> > > > > the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it
> wasn't
> > in
> > > > > the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the
> > cooling
> > > > > vanes in the radiator.
> > > > >
> > > > > --James
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start
with "What
> > if",
> > > > I
> > > > > > drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the
A/C
> on
> > > > the
> > > > > > whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming
> the
> > > > > therm.
> > > > > > is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4
> cyl
> > > > > though,
> > > > > > if that means anything.
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
> > > > > > > Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
> > > > wouldn't
> > > > > > just
> > > > > > > accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Just my 2 cents.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Roger
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > jhershauer@i... wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that
you're
> > not
> > > > > > alone. I
> > > > > > > > briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
> > > > > current '99
> > > > > > TJ has done
> > > > > > > > it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in
the
> > > > summer,
> > > > > > and each TJ
> > > > > > > > did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the
> > dealership
> > > > > > about it the
> > > > > > > > first time it happened on my '99, and he said
something
> > about
> > > > > > giving the
> > > > > > > > Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still
> > shoot
> > > > up
> > > > > > into the red
> > > > > > > > if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it
> starting
> > to
> > > > > inch
> > > > > > up towards
> > > > > > > > the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned
> off
> > the
> > > > > A/C
> > > > > > before it
> > > > > > > > got bad.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch
it
> in
> > the
> > > > > > summer.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jeff ('99 TJ)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
24660 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 11:03pm
Subject: RE: Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
It probably would but I would wonder about the lubricating/anti-corrosion
without the ethylene glycol.
Eric Herring 92 XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Krieg [mailto:rv6a@m...]
Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 9:47 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
I've heard of people just running distilled water and water wetter type
stuff and they say it runs cooler than an antifreeze/water mix. Is this
correct or myth?
Chris K
> From: "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...>
> Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2001 04:12:11 -0000
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
>
> Mark,
>
> Do you drive it very long? If I use the air on my 4.0 tj it is always
> up at 210 and sometimes higher. At 210 the fan clutch kicks in so I
> really notice the difference, power and sound.
> I generally flush my system every year also. Maybe, I got a wimpy
> radiator.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepw99@m... wrote:
>> I have never had that problem with my 99 tj. I have the 6 cyl and
>> have ran it with the air and it never reached much over 210 (half
> way
>> on the guage).
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Bill Witt" <k7ant@t...> wrote:
>>> Having recently replaced my water pump, (97TJ 4.0l), I was
>> astonished to
>>> find that the 4 banger and six banger use the same water pump!!
>>> Bill
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
>>> To: <az_vjc@y...>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:22 PM
>>> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: AZ Heat and my TJ
>>>
>>>
>>>> He has a 6cyl right, so maybe there is a difference in the
> cooling
>>>> systems of the 6 vs the 4. I don't know, never spent enough
> time
>>>> with Tara's old jeep to really find out. Probably would have
>>>> eventually, Topless 4x4 sold her a jeep in bad shape, wish I
> had
>> been
>>>> around.
>>>> I know she ran the A/C alot in it and never had a problem all
> last
>>>> summer. Could be a warranty issue for those having trouble
> with
>> it.
>>>>
>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle
>>>>
>>>> @a...> wrote:
>>>>> Dan,
>>>>>
>>>>> (How are you doing?)
>>>>> Remember the Jason that went with us on Upper Woodpecker was
>>>> running
>>>>> the air and his Jeep started to overheat. On that day it
> wasn't
>> in
>>>>> the 110's either, but the damn bugs could have clogged the
>> cooling
>>>>> vanes in the radiator.
>>>>>
>>>>> --James
>>>>>
>>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...> wrote:
>>>>>> Since most of my sentences involving jeeps start with "What
>> if",
>>>> I
>>>>>> drove through upper woodpecker a few weeks ago with the A/C
> on
>>>> the
>>>>>> whole time. Never got close to the "red" range, assuming
> the
>>>>> therm.
>>>>>> is accurate. Only thing it did was rob power. I have a 4
> cyl
>>>>> though,
>>>>>> if that means anything.
>>>>>> Dan
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In az_vjc@y..., Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...> wrote:
>>>>>>> Sounds like either a problem or a design flaw to me. I
>>>> wouldn't
>>>>>> just
>>>>>>> accept it a being "a Jeep thing".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Roger
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jhershauer@i... wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have a solution, but I can tell you that you're
>> not
>>>>>> alone. I
>>>>>>>> briefly had a '98 TJ that did the same thing, and my
>>>>> current '99
>>>>>> TJ has done
>>>>>>>> it as well. Each time, I was at a drive-through in the
>>>> summer,
>>>>>> and each TJ
>>>>>>>> did it while it was almost brand new. I asked the
>> dealership
>>>>>> about it the
>>>>>>>> first time it happened on my '99, and he said something
>> about
>>>>>> giving the
>>>>>>>> Jeep some "break-in" time. I think my TJ would still
>> shoot
>>>> up
>>>>>> into the red
>>>>>>>> if I gave it a chance. Last summer I caught it
> starting
>> to
>>>>> inch
>>>>>> up towards
>>>>>>>> the red while I was at a drive-through, but I turned
> off
>> the
>>>>> A/C
>>>>>> before it
>>>>>>>> got bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just decided it was a Jeep thing, and now I watch it
> in
>> the
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24661 From: Keith - Editor - Alloffroad.com <crusari@p...>
Date: Thu May 31, 2001 11:37pm
Subject: I want to wheel this weekend
I want to wheel this weekend don;t care where I have a 6" lift and 35's that need to be tryed out and also have WWW.ALLOFFROAD.COM t-shirts to sell :)
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24662 From: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:51am
Subject: PowerAid Install
I just installed PowerAid Helix throttle body spacer http://www.air-aid.com/p2.html. This spacer is for the 2.5l (they also have the 4.0l model). The install is a breeze and I did not have any whistle. I am not sure if I would deem the power difference significant but there was some improvement. Of course that could be because my throttle body was dirty and I cleaned it. My main interest is highway power so a little trip is in order for the test. Anyway I will post up changes in MPG and Macromotive carries the spacer. With our discount it's $63.40 sans shipping & tax.
Rick
24663 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 6:03am
Subject: Re: Re: Kilby Install
On the fuel rail (at least up until 98?) there is a little scrader
valve, just like the style that is on a tire to fill it. Unscrew the
plastic cap and press in on the little valve stem. Have a containter
handy as this will squirt gas a good distance...
-d
Stu Olson wrote:
>
> Nope...you have to release the pressure in the fuel rail system. The line
> coming from the tank (where the pump is) up to the fuel injector is under
> pressure....even after you turn off your engine.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 6:45 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Kilby Install
>
> Doesn't this (depressurize the tank) just mean, to open the system
> (tank off the cap)?
>
> Maybe that's too easy.
>
> --James
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Rick Hall" <ricknhall@h...> wrote:
> > Well I just got home and no FSM (should have been here today).
> Problem is I am planning to install the Kilby skid tomorrow (Chris
> K. - I didn't bother you since it was such short notice). The catch
> is I don't know how to depressurize the tank in my 98TJ (2.5l) and
> the install instructions from Kilby say look in the FSM on how to do
> it. Is this something easy to explain via email or should I wait for
> the manual?
> >
> > Rick
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24664 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 7:56am
Subject: D30 carrier
I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover off
and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out! I
tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle jack
against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to come
out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I can
barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
Thanks!
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2001 TJ
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24665 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 7:58am
Subject: Re: I want to wheel this weekend
Hey Keith,
I am going to do Upper Ajax on Sunday if you are interested. I want to
buy a shirt too from you.
--- "Keith - Editor - Alloffroad.com" <crusari@p...> wrote:
> I want to wheel this weekend don;t care where I have a 6" lift and 35's
> that need to be tryed out and also have WWW.ALLOFFROAD.COM t-shirts to
> sell :)
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24666 From: David W. Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:08am
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
Did you pull the axle's out.
>From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
>To: Jeep List <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: [az_vjc] D30 carrier
>Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
>
>I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover off
>and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out! I
>tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle jack
>against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to come
>out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I can
>barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
>
>Thanks!
>
>=====
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>2001 TJ
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24667 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:24am
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
BTW, I did pull the axles out!
--- "David W. Smith" <dwsmith69@h...> wrote:
> Did you pull the axle's out.
>
>
> >From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
> >To: Jeep List <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: [az_vjc] D30 carrier
> >Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 07:56:54 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover
> off
> >and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out!
> I
> >tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle
> jack
> >against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to
> come
> >out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I
> can
> >barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
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> >2001 TJ
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24668 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:29am
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
Rap a strap or a chain with a very high tensile strength around the
carrier (after pulling the bearing bolts, bearing caps and axles
out). Then put your hi-lift with the base against the housing, and
attach the strap to the lifting mechanism of the hi-lift. Then jack
it up, which will slowly at first pull on the carrier. Be ready
though, cause when it comes out, it comes ALL the way out right away
and so you need something soft for it to land on.
The same thing with a come along should also work.
MAKE SURE you put the bearing caps, and bolts back in in the exactly
same orientatino and position that they came out of. And when
putting the ring gear back on, put the bolts in a criss-cross pattern
in order to seat it properly on the carrier. And make sure it goes
back on in the exact same position too.
Sorry I couldn't make it over last night, got too wrapped up in my
own jeep doings.
24669 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 8:30am
Subject: Re: I want to wheel this weekend
Keith,
John Butler and I are doing our first rock runs with our RE long arm
kits. I've done a couple easy shakedown runs and will be running Upper and
Lower Woodpecker on Saturday night. It's nothing extreme, just a chance
to get used to the feel of the new suspension on the rocks. We are
meeting at the Texaco in Florence Jct at 4:30 pm.
Scott
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24670 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 9:20am
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
Mike: Don't worry about being too "gentle," get a pry bar wedged
between the carrier and the housing and just force it out. Make sure
it has something soft to land on, as when it comes out, it comes OUT.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...> wrote:
> I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover off
> and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out! I
> tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle jack
> against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to come
> out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I can
> barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
>
> Thanks!
>
> =====
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> 2001 TJ
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24671 From: <aphrodsyak@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 5:53am
Subject: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I have gone to Darners for years. I have only had them turn me down once
for anything. They gave me a new transfer case, and I had a 4 inch lift and
33's and a new tranny. Even a new alternator because wine in the bearings,
I never even talked to them about it and it worked fine. They also worked
a deal with me on a dented fuel tank. They replaced the tank saying that
"it was deformed from the factory" and only charged me to change the tank and
bang out the dent in the skid plate. I had a guy named sam as a service
advisor and they were awesome. I didnt even buy the thing there!!!
The only thing they ever shot me down on was a pinion bearing in the rear
and they wouldn't have but I had regeared.,
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DARNERS IN MESA TO ANYONE FOR SERVICE>
that me recommendation, anyone evry have any problems there?????
24672 From: blake shepherd <blake@b...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 9:59am
Subject: RE: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to repair
something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling the
entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: aphrodsyak@a... [mailto:aphrodsyak@a...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:53 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I have gone to Darners for years. I have only had them turn me down once
for anything. They gave me a new transfer case, and I had a 4 inch lift and
33's and a new tranny. Even a new alternator because wine in the
bearings,
I never even talked to them about it and it worked fine. They also worked
a deal with me on a dented fuel tank. They replaced the tank saying that
"it was deformed from the factory" and only charged me to change the tank
and
bang out the dent in the skid plate. I had a guy named sam as a service
advisor and they were awesome. I didnt even buy the thing there!!!
The only thing they ever shot me down on was a pinion bearing in the rear
and they wouldn't have but I had regeared.,
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DARNERS IN MESA TO ANYONE FOR SERVICE>
that me recommendation, anyone evry have any problems there?????
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24673 From: ERIC C MARBLE <emarble3@p...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:07am
Subject: Re: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
Darner has always been very good in the service dpt. It is the only place
I'll go if I have to go to a dealer
----- Original Message -----
From: "blake shepherd" <blake@b...>
To: <aphrodsyak@a...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
> I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
> cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to
repair
> something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
> Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling
the
> entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
>
> Blake
> 80CJ5
> 01 TJ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: aphrodsyak@a... [mailto:aphrodsyak@a...]
> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:53 AM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
>
>
> I have gone to Darners for years. I have only had them turn me down once
> for anything. They gave me a new transfer case, and I had a 4 inch lift
and
>
> 33's and a new tranny. Even a new alternator because wine in the
> bearings,
> I never even talked to them about it and it worked fine. They also
worked
>
> a deal with me on a dented fuel tank. They replaced the tank saying that
> "it was deformed from the factory" and only charged me to change the tank
> and
> bang out the dent in the skid plate. I had a guy named sam as a service
> advisor and they were awesome. I didnt even buy the thing there!!!
>
> The only thing they ever shot me down on was a pinion bearing in the rear
> and they wouldn't have but I had regeared.,
>
>
> I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DARNERS IN MESA TO ANYONE FOR SERVICE>
>
> that me recommendation, anyone evry have any problems there?????
>
>
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24674 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:07am
Subject: Installing A/C
Has anyone ever heard of someone buying the necessary parts from
a junkyard and installing "factory" A/C? I found a good deal at AZ
4x4 Recyclers, and I'm thinking about putting it into the TJ. Is
this even possible? Any thoughts? Should have bought it with A/C
but never thought I would need it in Colorado. Who knew I would move
to the desert???
Lachlan
24675 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:09am
Subject: Re: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
blake shepherd wrote:
> I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
> cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to repair
> something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
> Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling the
> entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
Never having bought a "new" jeep, I can't speak ho jeep dealers, but I
have bought a new dodge. Performance Dodge has replaced stuff under
warrantee for free while we were getting the oil changed that we didn't
even know was broke. In some cases, it wasn't even broke, they had just
received a bulletin that it _might_ break. And we DON'T know anyone
there.
Believe it...or NOT!
Just kidding. Believe it, it's true. Good dealers DO exist.
24676 From: <aphrodsyak@a...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 6:10am
Subject: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers(take 2)
From: AphroDsyak@a...
Full-name: AphroDsyak
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2001 13:09:33 EDT
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
To: blake@b...
This club is for sharing information. unless you went to that dealer with
the exact problem I had and they told you something diferent I would suggest
that you NOT CALL ANYONE A LIAR! you can keep those opinions to your self,
or you write them back to me personally.
Do you think that I just sit here making up stories??? I moved here from
washington state about 3 years ago, I took it to Darner first and got very
lucky, they were close. I dodnt know anyone. much less someone at the
dealership, MAYBE YOU SHOULDN"T HAVE BOUGHT A CHEVY. ( jk ) :) I have
never heard anything bad on this site about them either. IF you doubt me
try them next time. Then at least you will be speaking with some experience.
ERIC
24677 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:29am
Subject: Re: D30 carrier
Best trick I've used is to wedge a crowbaron the backside of
the carrier (back of ring gear) and between the inside of the
housing. Rotate the pinion so that the carrier jams the crowbar
in there. Rotate the pinion a little more and the carrier will
rotate up and pop out by about 1" so you can easily pop it out
by hand or with a gentle crowbar.
-d
Mike Baney wrote:
>
> I went to install my Lock Right last night. After getting the cover off
> and the 2 bearing retainers, I can't seem to get the damn carrier out! I
> tried using a crow bar and *gently* try to nudge it out, put a bottle jack
> against the tie rod and a rope inside the carrier to convinve it to come
> out. All with NO luck...Any suggestions?? Someone got a come-along I can
> barrow? It's an 01 TJ D30 front.
>
> Thanks!
>
> =====
> Mike Baney
> 2001 TJ
>
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24678 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Fri Jun 1, 2001 10:53am
Subject: RE: Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I never had any problems getting warranty stuff fixed on my 94 YJ even at
Earnharts. This was even with 4" of lift & MT's.
Eric Herring 92xj
-----Original Message-----
From: blake shepherd [mailto:blake@b...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:00 AM
To: 'aphrodsyak@a...'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I am sorry but I find this VERY hard to believe. I have bought many new
cars and had warranty concerns with all of them. Getting a dealer to repair
something under warranty is like pulling teeth. Hell, I can't even get
Chevy to fix my '99 3/4. It is bone stock. You are either not telling the
entire truth, or "know" someone at the dealer.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: aphrodsyak@a... [mailto:aphrodsyak@a...]
Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 9:53 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Broken upper control arm bracket and dealers
I have gone to Darners for years. I have only had them turn me down once
for anything. They gave me a new transfer case, and I had a 4 inch lift and
33's and a new tranny. Even a new alternator because wine in the
bearings,
I never even talked to them about it and it worked fine. They also worked
a deal with me on a dented fuel tank. They replaced the tank saying that
"it was deformed from the factory" and only charged me to change the tank
and
bang out the dent in the skid plate. I had a guy named sam as a service
advisor and they were awesome. I didnt even buy the thing there!!!
The only thing they ever shot me down on was a pinion bearing in the rear
and they wouldn't have but I had regeared.,
I WOULD HIGHLY SUGGEST DARNERS IN MESA TO ANYONE FOR SERVICE>
that me recommendation, anyone evry have any problems there?????
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