Lower & Upper Terminator

[katvans]

Patrick Waite came in from Calif. by way of Moab thur. He had a trip posted for TM on fri and I was the only one to sign up. Pat has not run TM since last year about this time when we had a ton of water and was not sure of where the trail was. I had never been to TM so no help.

We pulled up off the pavement to meet a couple guys with a CJ5 on a trailer and asked what they were going to run. Their names were Rick and Mark and they were going shooting but having done Terminator before, they agreed to show us where it was & go with us through Lower before they bailed to go shooting.

Well we could not have met two nicer guys if we advertised. So, a CJ5, Pat's CJ7 and my TJ did Lower T. The guys then pulled out to go shooting and Pat & I did Upper T, kind of a let down after the lower portion. We all had a great time and I just loved Lower T. Pat is a great driver and spotter and we all got through with no problems.

Pat and I then drove to the river and crossed over to a large sandy area just above the river where Pat had remembered seeing a TJ abandoned in the middle of the river last year. After a short time here come our shooters on their way out. They set up, broke out the guns and offered to let us shoot. They had shotguns, clays, pistols and an AR-15. I got to shoot the AR-15 and a Benelli 12 gauge and even though these guys don't reload they policed up the area as we were shooting. They even picked up my Glock empties before I could and they refused to let us pay for the ammo we used. If we had more shooters like Rick & Mark there would not be so much shot up junk laying around the desert.

Oh! I forgot to mention when Pat and I pulled out of the upper wash I found a soft side cooler full of about 18 Bud Lights and ice. We tried to find who lost it but with no luck. Personally, I think it was just DM watching over us on the trail since he isn't running them anymore.

All together just a great day wheeling and I got to meet three first class people. I hope I can do it again sometime, they are out there.

A few pics are below and more at: http://community.webshots.com/album/548893978oGkoom

TJ from last year:

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4947&stc=1&d=1143318983

Water yesterday

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Pat shooting the AR

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Mark, owner of the AR

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4956&stc=1&d=1143319652

[AZG23]

ahhh....nothing like a day of wheelin....GLOCKs n Ar's....

[Wind_Danzer]

Nice pics and it's nice to see two people that pick up after themselves too. :)

[xFallen]

Sounds like you guys had some fun! Glad you found someone to show you the way out to the trails.

Did everyone bypass the terminator obstacle?

http://www.virtualjeepclub.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4952&stc=1&d=1143319652

Just curious because I think some people maybe do not know it is there even though that's why the trail is named what it is named. :D


Barry

[katvans]

Sounds like you guys had some fun! Glad you found someone to show you the way out to the trails.

Did everyone bypass the terminator obstacle?
Just curious because I think some people maybe do not know it is there even though that's why the trail is named what it is named. :D
Barry

Last year when Pat was here he did not run Terminator because there was too much water flowing thru it so he doesn't know that obstacle. I have never been before so I don't know it. The two guys we met do not wheel with any club or group so if they know about it they didn't say.

The only thing I saw that we didn't do was "white line" because it was pretty wet right there and no one wanted to slide off the line into the wall so we turned left & went up that hill and down the other side. They did know that was called "white line".

Could you describe what area it is in?

[xFallen]

Last year when Pat was here he did not run Terminator because there was too much water flowing thru it so he doesn't know that obstacle. I have never been before so I don't know it. The two guys we met do not wheel with any club or group so if they know about it they didn't say.

The only thing I saw that we didn't do was "white line" because it was pretty wet right there and no one wanted to slide off the line into the wall so we turned left & went up that hill and down the other side. They did know that was called "white line".

Could you describe what area it is in?


You know, I find the bypass to white line far more intimidating than White Line, although I have never taken it. I havce watched people take the bypass and it seemed more dramatic that White Line.

I know people screw up on White Line and it has this reputation but seriously, it is no big deal...barring the stuff happens category, the bulk of White Line's reputation comes from poor driving not the obstacle. The first time I did it the thing was 100% below water and I could not see how deep the water was but it seemed deep...so I just stayed as high as possible and crawled it using brakes and throttle, no clutch. The next time I did it the obstacle was pretty much dry and I was able to see what the fuss was about.

The Terminator obstacle is that notch to the left of the picture of Pat above.

Here's a shot coming off the Terminator obstacle which would be to Pat's left in the picture of him:


And a shot from below:

Here's what your third picture looks like in the dry:

Here's White Line when it is dry:


Those trails can be especially fun when they are wet. :D


Barry

[Lifes A Jeep]

Hey Barry

Do you post any of your pictures online? Maybe on Webshots? You're pictures are such a treat. Great lines for future reference! And theres nothing like that first time you take the Terminator obstacle!!!

[katvans]

You know, I find the bypass to white line far more intimidating than White Line, although I have never taken it. I havce watched people take the bypass and it seemed more dramatic that White Line.

I know people screw up on White Line and it has this reputation but seriously, it is no big deal...barring the stuff happens category, the bulk of White Line's reputation comes from poor driving not the obstacle. The first time I did it the thing was 100% below water and I could not see how deep the water was but it seemed deep...so I just stayed as high as possible and crawled it using brakes and throttle, no clutch. The next time I did it the obstacle was pretty much dry and I was able to see what the fuss was about.

The Terminator obstacle is that notch to the left of the picture of Pat above.

And a shot from below:
http://k7top.com/v-web/gallery/albums/2006-02-26TableMesa/100_1634.sized.jpg
Barry

I remember that spot now, I was looking at that large pink boulder on the left side wondering where it came from because it is out of place on the black rocks but none of us ever thought of going up that way so we squeezed around to the right. I'll remember it for next time.

Pat is locked on 37s and he had a lot of trouble going up the center of white line bypass mostly I think because he just went thru water at the bottom. I cheated and hugged the wall to the left.

Thanks Barry

[xFallen]

I remember that spot now, I was looking at that large pink boulder on the left side wondering where it came from because it is out of place on the black rocks but none of us ever thought of going up that way so we squeezed around to the right. I'll remember it for next time.

Pat is locked on 37s and he had a lot of trouble going up the center of white line bypass mostly I think because he just went thru water at the bottom. I cheated and hugged the wall to the left.

Thanks Barry

There you go. It is right after the Z-turn if you remember where that is. I forgot that reference point earlier -- sorry. I bypassed the obstacle the very first time I ran the trail because I didn't really notice it until I was well past it :rolleyes:.


Barry

[xFallen]

Hey Barry

Do you post any of your pictures online? Maybe on Webshots? You're pictures are such a treat. Great lines for future reference! And theres nothing like that first time you take the Terminator obstacle!!!

Glad you enjoy them. No on the Webshots.

I post the pictures up here typically. You can find them in my trip report threads.


Barry