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24404 From: Tom Dunn <tdunnsprint@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 0:24am
Subject: > Subject: Re: question about security
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Subject: [az_vjc] Digest Number 885
There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
2. question on wheels....
From: ALIRAL17@A...
3. RE: question on wheels....
From: "Eric Herring" <herring@q...>
4. Martinez Canyon Sunday morning
From: monosyllabicguy@w...
5. Appology to Thane and the Group!
From: "Keith D. Orr" <korr@z...>
6. LAST MINUTE Sunday Run
From: "Gary" <climbingfool@y...>
7. Re: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
From: fmw@q...
8. Re: Which auto locker?
From: "Nick Notestine" <nnote@a...>
9. Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
From: "Nick Notestine" <nnote@a...>
10. Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
From: "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...>
11. [TR] Trip Report - Coves of Saguaro Lake - Saturday, May 26, 2001
From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
12. Re: tranny shop
From: "T.J. Nosmo-King" <ice626@h...>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:34:34 -0700
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
Subject: Re: Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
From all accounts, the Super 35 is a good upgrade for this axle, and it
comes with a full Detroit.
Doug
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From: <jeepindog@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
> Ok, so some of you guys have too many cubic inches under your
> hoods, and no tolerance of puny axles! ha ha... Anyway, if Dana 35s
> were so weak that they cannot handle a locker, don't you guys think
> that ALL aftermarket manufacturers would STOP production on these
> units to avoid liability and warranty issues? Obviously if treated
> right a 35 is an acceptable axle to lock up. I happen to turn my
> axle shafts with a 2.5 liter engine that cannot generate enough
> horsepower to break a sweat, let alone an axle shaft. Unless, of
> course, I try to drive with the gas pedal to the floor. We all know
> that rock crawling requires skill and finesse, NOT horsepower. Look
> at Jason Bunch's '89 YJ that he used in the ARCA Extreme Rock
> Crawling Nationals. That guy uses a four cylinder engine and seems
> to do just fine. He also (probably!) has got super heavy-duty
> running gear under that rig! The point, though, is that I don't want
> to try to run mud bogs with a nitro-breathing dragon churnin' the
> drivetrain with insane amounts of torque. I want to CRAWL 3.5 and 4+
> trails with a 4 cylinder engine turning my 31" SSRs and be able to
> have traction when a wheel lifts. From all I have ever read, seen,
> and heard, a light foot and a little eyeball work make almost any
> obstacle driveable if you have decent flex and traction. On a
> related note I would also like to add that a 35 is a better axle than
> a model 20. Anyone disagree? So, let's all stop badmouthing the
> anemic 35 and help me find a locker that will make me happy. And byt
> the way, I am kidding about the "badmouthing". I know that you are
> all trying to either ward off evil for me before it happens, or
> relate some experience, etc. I moved here from Colorado a year ago,
> and I would have liked to have been locked up when I lived there. I
> have wheeled Moab in the TJ, and between CO, UT and now AZ I still
> want to be locked up to tackle harder trails. I definitely need to
> get out on a trail run with some of you. I live in Ahwatukee, so
> everything is far away. But I digress. Thanks for the advice from
> those of you who have given it. I will consider all of it. I would
> like to use the PowerTrax No-SLip. Anyone using one? Like it? Any
> dissenters among us? Let's hear it...
>
> Lachlan
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 20:41:27 EDT
From: ALIRAL17@A...
Subject: question on wheels....
I have recently picked up a set of 33's on 10 spoke cast wheels for a
smoking
deal. when i tried to mount them i found to my disappointment that the lugs
didn't come through the wheel. does anyone have aluminum wheels like this??
i need to know if anyone makes a lug nut that will work for my application.
thanks in advance. BRANDON
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:00:20 -0700
From: "Eric Herring" <herring@q...>
Subject: RE: question on wheels....
Most aluminum wheel lug nuts go into the wheel. Otherwise you need longer
studs.
Eric Herring 92XJ
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From: ALIRAL17@A... [mailto:ALIRAL17@A...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 5:41 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] question on wheels....
I have recently picked up a set of 33's on 10 spoke cast wheels for a
smoking
deal. when i tried to mount them i found to my disappointment that the lugs
didn't come through the wheel. does anyone have aluminum wheels like this??
i need to know if anyone makes a lug nut that will work for my application.
thanks in advance. BRANDON
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:25:01 -0000
From: monosyllabicguy@w...
Subject: Martinez Canyon Sunday morning
a friend and i were thinking of running Martinez tomorrow morning. a little
late on the notice, but if anyone wants to join us youre more than welcome.
probably be at the Florance Jct. Texaco at around 7:30 AM. were heading out
there from Tempe. i believe the trail is rated a 3.5 - 4.0. if anybody is
interested just email me and we can get in touch and work out some firm
details.
Joey
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 20:15:39 -0700
From: "Keith D. Orr" <korr@z...>
Subject: Appology to Thane and the Group!
I was not able to get with Thane this past week due to helping my Parents
move to Payson. Then by the time I did get my messages and e-mail, Thane had
already returned home. I really do want to get together with you all from
Phoenix and Tucson etc.. My life will slow down a little now due to the fact
that school is out and graduation and such. I am really in need of a
vacation. I am hoping to set up an outing here in Safford to Eagle Creek in
the near future. Again sorry for the mis-communications and near misses on
the outings. Thane, give me another chance Pard. I will make it up to you.
Thanks,
Casper
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 03:50:30 -0000
From: "Gary" <climbingfool@y...>
Subject: LAST MINUTE Sunday Run
I thought I had a run lined up for Sunday, but I guess it fell
through.
Anyone interested in heading out for a run tomorrow?
I am open minded about where, we ran Trail 42 today, it was pretty
much a snoozer, TOO MUCH traffic in the last few months...
BTW: I know 2 guys that have broken D35C's, I was present when one
happened...
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Message: 7
Date: (unknown)
From: fmw@q...
Subject: Re: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
"keep in mind the largest tire Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50."
This statement doesn't really mean anything.. The largest tire that Jeep put
on any Wrangler is 30 x 9.50.. The largest tire that Jeep put on a Dana44
(Wrangler) is 30 x 9.50.. Soooooo ?
:)
Fred
At 11:55 PM 5/26/1 -0000, cmandrick@h... wrote:
>The AMC 20 is a very stout axle when paired with a truss and 1-pc
>axle shafts. I had a 350 and 33's and an AMC 20, never broke
>anything, even with some smokey burnouts when a little Honda wanted
>to race... Point is, the d35 is ok for moderate trail use, but
>saying it is fine for big Jeep build-ups is like saying the stock
>suspension is fine. This is an expensive hobby, you can take short
>cuts but eventually stock parts break, keep in mind the largest tire
>Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50.
>
>Chris M
>87 YJ
>
>"Build it, beef it, or break it."
>
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>> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
>> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone
>else
>> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
>> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
>> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
>> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But
>they
>> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability
>to
>> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are
>just
>> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock
>Buggy.
>> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from
>Colorado
>> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana
>44's
>> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
>> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front
>running
>> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and
>were
>> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that
>these
>> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
>> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
>> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles
>fail
>> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
>> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>>
>> Thane
>> 97TJ
>>
>> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right.
>I
>> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
>> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
>> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>>
>>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:30:07 -0700
From: "Nick Notestine" <nnote@a...>
Subject: Re: Which auto locker?
The Ox cover is damn tuff. It weighs about 15 pounds and is very thick,
machined out of solid steel. I have actually crushed rocks with it. I
haven't tried secondary protection but I think you would have to have a
custom fit.
Nick
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From: "Michael Earls" <michael@c...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
> After installation of something like this, can I still put the
differential
> skid protection on there? Does it fit? I'd still like to see the OX
> protected from rock attacks.
>
> Just wondering. I am also keeping an eye out for locker solutions for
> installation sometime next year.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael Earls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Notestine [mailto:nnote@a...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:54 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeepindog@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
>
>
> Try www.oxtrax.com
> I have one and love it.
> Nick
>
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> From: <jeepindog@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:16 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
>
>
> > Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
> > want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
> > don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
> > expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
> > little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
> > come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
> > Rite? Detroit Gearless?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lachlan MacLean
> >
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:33:06 -0700
From: "Nick Notestine" <nnote@a...>
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I have treated my Dana 30 and 35 very ruff and never had a problem. That's
even being locked with the Ox up front. Btw, the Ox locker is a very easy
install. I would say easier than most traction devices. The only special
tools you need is a bearing press or equivalent and a torque wrench.
Nick
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From: <97tj@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which Locker and Dana 35's
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 05:40:08 -0000
From: "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...>
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
Tara disentegrated a D35 with a No-Slip in it, 4cyl. Was unfixable,
had to completely replace the rear end.
However that doesn't say anything bad about anything, just the fact
that it can happen. I've personally witnessed 2 broken D35 axle
shafts, but have yet to see a housing or tube break.
I replaced mine with Moser axles, and haven't broke...yet. However I
figure my time is limited running 4.0+ trails with 33in Swampers as a
daily driver, but it is a 4cyl. That's why I carry spare axles and
the tools to change them, anywhere and everywhere I go, wheeling or
not.
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 06:00:05 (GMT)
From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Coves of Saguaro Lake - Saturday, May 26, 2001
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 00:07:49 -0700
From: "T.J. Nosmo-King" <ice626@h...>
Subject: Re: tranny shop
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24405 From: Tom Dunn <tdunnsprint@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 0:34am
Subject: Subject: Re: question about security
Subject: Re: question about security
Here's my 2/5ths of a nickel:
It seems to me that anyone responsible enough to carry a sidearm should also
be
knowledgeable enough to dissemble it.
Taking a cue from the faceplate removals on car stereos, it seems to me a
revolver without a cylinder, or an auto without a slide would not be very
appealing to a thief. At the very least, such a disabled weapon could not
be used to wreak immediate havoc and would likely raise eyebrows should the
parts be attempted to be replaced (and the serial numbers would be
questioned).
Places to shoot are disappearing almost as fast as accessible roads.
-Tom D.
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 07:42:53 -0000
From: cmandrick@h...
Subject: Re: question about security
I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
news. Just my two cents...
Chris M
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
rattle some though)
> I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>
>
> You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like one
> would be good for a gun.
>
> Anyone have one of these?
>
> -- Dan
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with me
> > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I have a
> > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I was
> > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but now
> > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe when
> I have the top and doors off?
> >
> > -Mark
>
24406 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 2, 2000 6:29am
Subject: Re: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
cmandrick@h... wrote:
> keep in mind the largest tire
> Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50.
LOL, keep in mind then, that the largest
tire Jeep puts on a D44 is also a 30X9.50.
And FWIW, I've seen d35's (and d44's) break on small stuff. I've also
seen d35's (and d44's) hold up to some really heavy stuff. The best I
can tell, is that it really is a function of driving style more than
anything.
24407 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 8:35am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Saturday, May 26, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Stu Olson lead a trail run Saturday, May 26, 2001 across Unspecified
We met at the designated location and waited a few extra minutes for a couple of folks to arrive. A quick hop down the freeway to the Rock Springs exit gave an impressive display of Jeep hardware.....13 short wheel base vehicles...covered just about every configuration you could think of from stockers to 6" lifts....darn nice picture for sure!
The night went well and we wrapped it up after 4 hours on the trail.
We had a little excitement right at the start on the first loose up-hill climb. This can be an interesting hill for open diff vehicles, as several discovered. It can also be an interesting hills for built vehicles that choose the hard right line. It can be an interesting viewing sport for those who have made it to the top and decide to watch Chris and his open diff 4 cylinder makes a Bonzai run up the hill! (gotta love it!)
YJ John (aka, U-Joint John) got himself sides on the steep hill after not quite making it to the top (this is an optional climb after you have come down the hill). Scott K. hopped into his TJ and took the bypass up to the top so he could position himself for a winch rescue. After a few attempts at better position (something about not pulling John's YJ sideways up the hill), John was at the top and all was good again. Scott then demonstrated that a Tera 4:1 not only allows you safely drive down the hill, but that it allows you to back up the hill as well (what a ham!).
We proceeded a bit further to the freeway tunnel....a large culvert that you drive through to get under the north bound I-17 lanes. It had a significant drop to the wash at the exit....but someone has filled a lot of it in, complete with some good sized timber. Not as fun as it use to be....but a good obstacle for the lower clearanced drivers. Scott and I spotted the folks through and no one managed to get hung up in the wash. We stopped here to catch some cold drinks and exchange lies, tall tales, etc.
About a quarter mile down the wash, my wife heard a rattle snake just off the side of the trail, and we saw another one about 20' ahead on the trail. This was a good reminder that wandering around on a night run may NOT be the best thing to do. Use those flashlights and be sure of what is going on around you.
A couple more gates (and a few cows) and we were on the last leg towards Table Mesa Road. This part of the trail is pretty much a big gentle roller coaster ride, nothing that our well seasoned group could not handle.
We stopped at the regular air up/down spot on Table Mesa. Some were heading back to town (like myself) while a half dozen others decided to squeeze Raw Deal in before calling it a night. Greetings were exchagned and the group went their ways.
I want to thank everyone for a great time. It was nice to see the old faces along with all of the new ones. I am so bad with names that I won't even try to make a list of who was there. :( I hope you all enjoyed the trip and I look forward to finding you on another trail in the not too distant future.
Click Here for more Information and to View Pictures
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
24408 From: <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 9:24am
Subject: Re: AZ-VJC Raffle Jeep??
I posted a couple pictures of the Jeep to
http://photos.yahoo.com/jim.langdon so you can see what it looks like.
Thanks,
Jim
24409 From: <ALIRAL17@A...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 7:28am
Subject: FOR SALE
ALRIGHT EVERYBODY....I have a clutch for a 2.5L, T5 tranny.... it is a
centerforce clutch. I am talking almost brand new. PRESSURE PLATE and CLUTCH
DISC. what happened is i did a clutch on my CJ about 50 miles ago (this
clutch) after i did the clutch the 2.5 decided it didn't want to run
anymore...so i picked up a fuel injected 4.3 to swap in but of course you
have to use an all new clutch setup. So in short this centerforce is just
like new. it make a good spare or if you are having problems with your
clutch now it would swap in. I am only asking 50 bucks for it.
E-mail me with any questions. BRANDON
24410 From: <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 11:50am
Subject: A word or two about Trail Etiquette...
Not here to preach but to inform some that might not know better....
Spacing on the trail:
On non-technical trails there is no reason to follow 5ft behind the
person in front of you. Especially on night runs where your
headlights are blinding your fellow club member. Of course things are
going to get bunched up at times but we get enough bumper to bumper
on our daily commutes.... no reason to have it on the trail.
This goes for hills climbs/decents as well. A number of times during
the past few weeks I've seen someone start up or down a challenging
hill before the person in front of them has made it out of harms way.
Keep your distance.... its not a race to the finish line!
Hope everyone enjoys the last bit of the holiday weekend.
Cheers,
LarryM
24411 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 1:18pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I am not trying to split hairs, but driveline upgrades are a part of
jeeping. If you prefer to carry spare axles and take extra
precautions when 4-wheeling, then stick with stock axles. If you
plan on running 36's and a V-8 eventually, or if you drive your rig
hard, the D35 will eventually have to go. This is of course my
experience with factory axles, but I think a D35 is perfectly fine
for those of you with itty-bitty tires and conservative driving
styles... (Big Grin) If you want a better opinion, get registered
on Pirate4x4.com and post a question asking what those guys think of
D35 axles.
Peace love and hair grease,
Chris M
--- In az_vjc@y..., Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> cmandrick@h... wrote:
> > keep in mind the largest tire
> > Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50.
>
> LOL, keep in mind then, that the largest
> tire Jeep puts on a D44 is also a 30X9.50.
>
> And FWIW, I've seen d35's (and d44's) break on small stuff. I've
also
> seen d35's (and d44's) hold up to some really heavy stuff. The best
I
> can tell, is that it really is a function of driving style more than
> anything.
24412 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 1:21pm
Subject: FS: Teraflex Quick Disconnects
I recently installed Curries Anti Rock sway bar. I have a set of
Teraflex QD's that are one year old for sale. If any one is
interested make me an offer.
John Butler
24413 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 1:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if you
carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart is
a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO FIREARMS
!! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
soapbox now!
cmandrick@h... wrote:
> I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
> unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
> stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
> of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
> gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
> news. Just my two cents...
>
> Chris M
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
> rattle some though)
> > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
> F.
> >
> > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> >
> >
> > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
> one
> > would be good for a gun.
> >
> > Anyone have one of these?
> >
> > -- Dan
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
> me
> > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
> have
> > a
> > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> > was
> > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
> now
> > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
> when
> > I
> > > have the top and doors off?
> > >
> > > -Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24414 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 1:58pm
Subject: FS: Wheels
OK, one more attempt at selling my other wheels. Trying to clean out the
garage and need the money for a new winch and mount.
1st set - 5 factory aluminum TJ "Grizley" wheels. 5 spoke, 15x7. 5.25"
backspacing. 5 on 4.5 pattern. Very good condition.
$175 for all 5
Pic:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=637162&a=9492008&p=31169150&f=0
2nd set - 5 factory aluminum TJ "Gambler" wheels. 5 hole, 15x8. 5.25"
backspacing. 5 on 4.5 pattern. OK condition. They look good from a few yards
back. 3 of them have had the center hole size increased for a Warn manual
hub conversion. They have the usual assortment of trail scars around the
outer lip. Good wheel for someone that wants decent looks but no worries
about scratching them.
$100 for all 5
Pic:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=637162&a=9492034&p=31169687&f=0
If you think the prices are too high, make me an offer.
ChrisK
24415 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 2:06pm
Subject: RE: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I've been on pirate4x4 for many years now. As I recall, Lance gets
occasionally bashed for running a "little" 44 in front with his meats.
Anyway, I agree that upgrading the 35 is a good idea, but I don't agree
that you can't run anything with a 35. Jeeper, um Steve something, on
this group, ran some pretty extreme trails with his 35. I recall him
having more trouble with his 30 up front than with his 35. Of course, he
has swapped up to a 60 w/ a v8 now, so...
I personally wouldn't recommend more than a 33 w/ a locker and a light
foot on a 35, for what it is worth.
Take it easy,
Daver
-----Original Message-----
From: cmandrick@h... [mailto:cmandrick@h...]
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:18 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I am not trying to split hairs, but driveline upgrades are a part of
jeeping. If you prefer to carry spare axles and take extra
precautions when 4-wheeling, then stick with stock axles. If you
plan on running 36's and a V-8 eventually, or if you drive your rig
hard, the D35 will eventually have to go. This is of course my
experience with factory axles, but I think a D35 is perfectly fine
for those of you with itty-bitty tires and conservative driving
styles... (Big Grin) If you want a better opinion, get registered
on Pirate4x4.com and post a question asking what those guys think of
D35 axles.
24416 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 2:45pm
Subject: Re: Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
It's your rig build it as you see fit. Though carry some spare shafts just in case. An AMC 20 is a great rear end, stronger than my Dana 44 if you weld the tubes to the housing and install 1 piece axleshafts.
Anyway time will tell. Cross those fingers and knock on wood.
Scott
jeepindog@yahoo.com wrote:
Ok, so some of you guys have too many cubic inches under your
hoods, and no tolerance of puny axles! ha ha... Anyway, if Dana 35s
were so weak that they cannot handle a locker, don't you guys think
that ALL aftermarket manufacturers would STOP production on these
units to avoid liability and warranty issues? Obviously if treated
right a 35 is an acceptable axle to lock up. I happen to turn my
axle shafts with a 2.5 liter engine that cannot generate enough
horsepower to break a sweat, let alone an axle shaft. Unless, of
course, I try to drive with the gas pedal to the floor. We all know
that rock crawling requires skill and finesse, NOT horsepower. Look
at Jason Bunch's '89 YJ that he used in the ARCA Extreme Rock
Crawling Nationals. That guy uses a four cylinder engine and seems
to do just fine. He also (probably!) has got super heavy-duty
running gear under that rig! The point, though, is that I don't want
to try to run mud bogs with a nitro-breathing dragon churnin' the
drivetrain with insane amounts of torque. I want to CRAWL 3.5 and 4+
trails with a 4 cylinder engine turning my 31" SSRs and be able to
have traction when a wheel lifts. From all I have ever read, seen,
and heard, a light foot and a little eyeball work make almost any
obstacle driveable if you have decent flex and traction. On a
related note I would also like to add that a 35 is a better axle than
a model 20. Anyone disagree? So, let's all stop badmouthing the
anemic 35 and help me find a locker that will make me happy. And byt
the way, I am kidding about the "badmouthing". I know that you are
all trying to either ward off evil for me before it happens, or
relate some experience, etc. I moved here from Colorado a year ago,
and I would have liked to have been locked up when I lived there. I
have wheeled Moab in the TJ, and between CO, UT and now AZ I still
want to be locked up to tackle harder trails. I definitely need to
get out on a trail run with some of you. I live in Ahwatukee, so
everything is far away. But I digress. Thanks for the advice from
those of you who have given it. I will consider all of it. I would
like to use the PowerTrax No-SLip. Anyone using one? Like it? Any
dissenters among us? Let's hear it...
Lachlan
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24417 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 3:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
As to your quick comment. Please be aware that in Arizona unless you have a
concealed carry permit a firearm in your jeep must be in plain sight while
you are in the vehicle. This being said I don't keep mine in plain sight
nor do I have a carry permit. I used to keep my pistol where I kept my
registration. This almost got me shot when I got pulled over once.
Fortunately before I reached for the registration I realized the weapon was
there and stuck my hands out the window and explained to the officer. Also
fortunately he did not cite me for a concealed weapon.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if you
carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart is
a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO FIREARMS
!! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
soapbox now!
cmandrick@h... wrote:
> I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
> unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
> stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
> of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
> gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
> news. Just my two cents...
>
> Chris M
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
> rattle some though)
> > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
> F.
> >
> > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> >
> >
> > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
> one
> > would be good for a gun.
> >
> > Anyone have one of these?
> >
> > -- Dan
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
> me
> > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
> have
> > a
> > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> > was
> > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
> now
> > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
> when
> > I
> > > have the top and doors off?
> > >
> > > -Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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24418 From: <fmw@q...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
Yup, I really worry for my safety and life everytime I go into a Wal-Mart.. :)
At 01:51 PM 5/27/1 -0700, Ray B. wrote:
>Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
>Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
>well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
>regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if you
>carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
>ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
>establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart is
>a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO FIREARMS
>!! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
>walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
>soapbox now!
>
>
>cmandrick@h... wrote:
>
>> I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
>> unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
>> stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
>> of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
>> gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
>> news. Just my two cents...
>>
>> Chris M
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
>> > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
>> rattle some though)
>> > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
>> F.
>> >
>> > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
>> > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
>> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
>> > To: az_vjc@y...
>> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>> >
>> >
>> > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
>> > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
>> one
>> > would be good for a gun.
>> >
>> > Anyone have one of these?
>> >
>> > -- Dan
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
>> > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
>> me
>> > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
>> have
>> > a
>> > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
>> > was
>> > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
>> now
>> > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
>> > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
>> > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
>> when
>> > I
>> > > have the top and doors off?
>> > >
>> > > -Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
24419 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:08pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
If the gun is in a holster, as mine are and I am sure most gun
owners don't have them laying out loose, you can have it in the
glove box.
Had this discussion once before. Here is a portion of the CCW
statute:
13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification;
definitions
A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:
1. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section
13-3112
except a pocket knife concealed on his person; or
2. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section
13-3112
concealed within immediate control of any person in or on a means
of
transportation; or
F. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a
weapon or
weapons carried in a belt holster which holster is wholly or
partially
visible, or carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying
weapons
which scabbard or case is wholly or partially visible or carried
in luggage.
Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a
weapon or
weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage
which is
carried within a means of transportation or within a storage
compartment,
trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation.
In a storage compartment, the weapon is not in "immediate
control" of any person in the vehicle.
Hope this clears that up,
Ralph
TRobertsRN wrote:
>
> As to your quick comment. Please be aware that in Arizona unless you have a
> concealed carry permit a firearm in your jeep must be in plain sight while
> you are in the vehicle. This being said I don't keep mine in plain sight
> nor do I have a carry permit. I used to keep my pistol where I kept my
> registration. This almost got me shot when I got pulled over once.
> Fortunately before I reached for the registration I realized the weapon was
> there and stuck my hands out the window and explained to the officer. Also
> fortunately he did not cite me for a concealed weapon.
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>
> Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
> Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
> well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
> regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if you
> carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
> ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
> establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart is
> a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO FIREARMS
> !! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
> walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
> soapbox now!
>
> cmandrick@h... wrote:
>
> > I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
> > unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
> > stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
> > of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
> > gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
> > news. Just my two cents...
> >
> > Chris M
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
> > rattle some though)
> > > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
> > F.
> > >
> > > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> > > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> > >
> > >
> > > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> > > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
> > one
> > > would be good for a gun.
> > >
> > > Anyone have one of these?
> > >
> > > -- Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
> > me
> > > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> > > was
> > > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
> > now
> > > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
> > when
> > > I
> > > > have the top and doors off?
> > > >
> > > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24420 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
Actually, you can keep a gun in a box or glove box, so long as it's in a
strapped holster. Don't need a concealed weapons permit - but it has to be
secured either in a box or holster. At least that's what a Police Chief told
me when I asked.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> As to your quick comment. Please be aware that in Arizona unless you have
a
> concealed carry permit a firearm in your jeep must be in plain sight while
> you are in the vehicle. This being said I don't keep mine in plain sight
> nor do I have a carry permit. I used to keep my pistol where I kept my
> registration. This almost got me shot when I got pulled over once.
> Fortunately before I reached for the registration I realized the weapon
was
> there and stuck my hands out the window and explained to the officer.
Also
> fortunately he did not cite me for a concealed weapon.
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>
>
> Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
> Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
> well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
> regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if
you
> carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
> ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
> establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart
is
> a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO
FIREARMS
> !! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
> walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
> soapbox now!
>
>
> cmandrick@h... wrote:
>
> > I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
> > unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
> > stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
> > of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
> > gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
> > news. Just my two cents...
> >
> > Chris M
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
> > rattle some though)
> > > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
> > F.
> > >
> > > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> > > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> > >
> > >
> > > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> > > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
> > one
> > > would be good for a gun.
> > >
> > > Anyone have one of these?
> > >
> > > -- Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
> > me
> > > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> > > was
> > > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
> > now
> > > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
> > when
> > > I
> > > > have the top and doors off?
> > > >
> > > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
24421 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:21pm
Subject: [TR] Coves of Saguaro Lake - Monday, May 28, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Bill Aylesworth is leading a Coves of Saguaro Lake trail run on Monday, May 28, 2001.
When: MEMORIAL DAY BABY!!
Where: GOIN TO BUTCHER JONES FOR A MORNING RUN
Rating: 2.5+
Length: 3-4 HRS
CB Channel: 10/frs 10/20
Bill and Allen are going out to the Coves and doing some wheeling
on MEMORIAL DAY (cus were both Veterans and deserve it!)
If and ye all want to watch Bill beat up his 55M38A1 CUMMON OUT.
WE WILL BE MEETING AT THE GATE ABOUT 7-7:15a.m.
CB: ch 10
FRS: ch 10 / code 20
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24422 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
Thanks Doug and Ralph, I stand corrected, happily.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
To: "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
Actually, you can keep a gun in a box or glove box, so long as it's in a
strapped holster. Don't need a concealed weapons permit - but it has to be
secured either in a box or holster. At least that's what a Police Chief told
me when I asked.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> As to your quick comment. Please be aware that in Arizona unless you have
a
> concealed carry permit a firearm in your jeep must be in plain sight while
> you are in the vehicle. This being said I don't keep mine in plain sight
> nor do I have a carry permit. I used to keep my pistol where I kept my
> registration. This almost got me shot when I got pulled over once.
> Fortunately before I reached for the registration I realized the weapon
was
> there and stuck my hands out the window and explained to the officer.
Also
> fortunately he did not cite me for a concealed weapon.
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>
>
> Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
> Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
> well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
> regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if
you
> carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
> ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
> establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart
is
> a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO
FIREARMS
> !! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
> walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
> soapbox now!
>
>
> cmandrick@h... wrote:
>
> > I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
> > unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
> > stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
> > of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
> > gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
> > news. Just my two cents...
> >
> > Chris M
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
> > rattle some though)
> > > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
> > F.
> > >
> > > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> > > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> > >
> > >
> > > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> > > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
> > one
> > > would be good for a gun.
> > >
> > > Anyone have one of these?
> > >
> > > -- Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
> > me
> > > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> > > was
> > > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
> > now
> > > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
> > when
> > > I
> > > > have the top and doors off?
> > > >
> > > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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> >
> >
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24423 From: Michael Earls <michael@c...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:32pm
Subject: Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
Greetings,
We just found a scuba tank (tank only, no valves) at a thrift store for $10
and we'd like to convert it for use with our Jeep tires. Can anyone tell us
what we need to get to do this conversion? Also, how well does it work for
you? Any comments, thoughts, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Michael and Laurie Earls
24424 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:51pm
Subject: Re: Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
First - an most important - you need to have the tank hydro'd. Any full
service scuba shop can do this. Most scuba tanks are aluminum, and the
pressurizing of them (and depressurzing of them) eventually weakens them and
can lead to fairly dramatic failure. As I recall, they need to be hydro'd
every 2 years - or else you can't get them filled. If it's a steel tank,
you'll probably be fine, but should have it checked out in any event.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Earls" <michael@c...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
> Greetings,
>
> We just found a scuba tank (tank only, no valves) at a thrift store for
$10
> and we'd like to convert it for use with our Jeep tires. Can anyone tell
us
> what we need to get to do this conversion? Also, how well does it work
for
> you? Any comments, thoughts, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael and Laurie Earls
>
>
>
>
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24425 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 6:20pm
Subject: Fw: Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
----- Original Message -----
From: "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...>
To: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
I do this to fill my tires. It works very well, quick. You will need a
first stage ( to drop the 2000 psi to around 90) regulator and a tire air
chuck connected to a dive hose. No one will fill the tank without the tank
being current as to hydro test and visual inspection. You will also need a
SCUBA diving certification to fill at a SCUBA shop. This is all very
important to insure the tank is safe and you are safe in your operation of
it. A bad tank or improper operation can result in injury, blindness,
death. When you say no valves to you mean the tank is open? If this is
true the tank likely has rust if steel and may be useless. Using a SCUBA
tank to fill my tires works very well and was cheap for me as I already had
the equipment. Even used the proper equipment is going to be $100's. That
doesn't include SCUBA certification.
Tom 78 Cherokee
SCUBA diver
former deep sea diver/underwater welder
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From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Michael
Earls" <michael@c...>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
First - an most important - you need to have the tank hydro'd. Any full
service scuba shop can do this. Most scuba tanks are aluminum, and the
pressurizing of them (and depressurzing of them) eventually weakens them and
can lead to fairly dramatic failure. As I recall, they need to be hydro'd
every 2 years - or else you can't get them filled. If it's a steel tank,
you'll probably be fine, but should have it checked out in any event.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Earls" <michael@c...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
> Greetings,
>
> We just found a scuba tank (tank only, no valves) at a thrift store for
$10
> and we'd like to convert it for use with our Jeep tires. Can anyone tell
us
> what we need to get to do this conversion? Also, how well does it work
for
> you? Any comments, thoughts, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael and Laurie Earls
>
>
>
>
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24426 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 6:21pm
Subject: Re: Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
I would recommend that you go with liquid CO2 instead. First off the volume of gas with liquid CO2 is substantially higher that with compressed gas. Also liquid CO2 pressures are not as dangerous as carrying compressed air in a scuba tank. I really wouldn't want to be on the trail with you if you ever rolled and the valve broke. The CO2 if it ever were to blow would still still scare the hell out of you but wouldn't become a lethal hazard. The CO2 also has sufficient volume to use airtools on the trail. The scuba tank would run dry long before you finished your trail fix.
Look back at my recent post on CO2. It's only $11 per fillup on a tank exchange for a 10# tank which is quite a bit smaller than the scuba tank, yet holds a higher volume of gas. I spent $38 for a vehicle mounting bracket and $130 for the first tank, 100 psi regulater ready for 1/4" NPT air fittings, and the first fillup.
I filled my 35" tires last night from 10 psi up to my normal 25 psi in about 45 seconds each. I did all four in less time than I used to fill 1 tire with an electric.
Take care and think safety,
Scott
DougB wrote:
First - an most important - you need to have the tank hydro'd. Any full
service scuba shop can do this. Most scuba tanks are aluminum, and the
pressurizing of them (and depressurzing of them) eventually weakens them and
can lead to fairly dramatic failure. As I recall, they need to be hydro'd
every 2 years - or else you can't get them filled. If it's a steel tank,
you'll probably be fine, but should have it checked out in any event.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Earls"
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)"
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
> Greetings,
>
> We just found a scuba tank (tank only, no valves) at a thrift store for
$10
> and we'd like to convert it for use with our Jeep tires. Can anyone tell
us
> what we need to get to do this conversion? Also, how well does it work
for
> you? Any comments, thoughts, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael and Laurie Earls
>
>
>
>
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24427 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 6:42pm
Subject: Re: A word or two about Trail Etiquette...
Larry makes a valid point. Now that the
night run season is upon us, it would be a
good time to invest about $40 in a set of
rock lights. There's very useful on the trail
and you won't blind the poor schmoe in fron
of you.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> Not here to preach but to inform some that might not know better....
>
> Spacing on the trail:
>
> On non-technical trails there is no reason to follow 5ft behind the
> person in front of you. Especially on night runs where your
> headlights are blinding your fellow club member. Of course things are
> going to get bunched up at times but we get enough bumper to bumper
> on our daily commutes.... no reason to have it on the trail.
>
> This goes for hills climbs/decents as well. A number of times during
> the past few weeks I've seen someone start up or down a challenging
> hill before the person in front of them has made it out of harms way.
>
> Keep your distance.... its not a race to the finish line!
>
>
> Hope everyone enjoys the last bit of the holiday weekend.
>
> Cheers,
> LarryM
24428 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 7:08pm
Subject: RE: Re: A word or two about Trail Etiquette...
I tried using my rock lights last night as trail lights, and for me, they
don't project enough light ahead of the vehicle. (Since I was leading, I
wasn't worried about shining them on anyone) ;) They do an awesome job of
lighting up the immediate vacinity around and under the vehicle (great for
the spotter to see what you are rolling over). There wasn't much (if any)
moon last night so no help from that source.
Since I have a pair of factory fogs which have a very thin (in the vertical
plane) beam, I'm going to angle them down some and rely on them for the
trail.
-----Original Message-----
From: amstaff@e... [mailto:amstaff@e...]
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 6:42 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: A word or two about Trail Etiquette...
Larry makes a valid point. Now that the
night run season is upon us, it would be a
good time to invest about $40 in a set of
rock lights. There's very useful on the trail
and you won't blind the poor schmoe in fron
of you.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> Not here to preach but to inform some that might not know better....
>
> Spacing on the trail:
>
> On non-technical trails there is no reason to follow 5ft behind the
> person in front of you. Especially on night runs where your
> headlights are blinding your fellow club member. Of course things are
> going to get bunched up at times but we get enough bumper to bumper
> on our daily commutes.... no reason to have it on the trail.
>
> This goes for hills climbs/decents as well. A number of times during
> the past few weeks I've seen someone start up or down a challenging
> hill before the person in front of them has made it out of harms way.
>
> Keep your distance.... its not a race to the finish line!
>
>
> Hope everyone enjoys the last bit of the holiday weekend.
>
> Cheers,
> LarryM
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24404 From: Tom Dunn <tdunnsprint@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 0:24am
Subject: > Subject: Re: question about security
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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 12:14 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Digest Number 885
There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
2. question on wheels....
From: ALIRAL17@A...
3. RE: question on wheels....
From: "Eric Herring" <herring@q...>
4. Martinez Canyon Sunday morning
From: monosyllabicguy@w...
5. Appology to Thane and the Group!
From: "Keith D. Orr" <korr@z...>
6. LAST MINUTE Sunday Run
From: "Gary" <climbingfool@y...>
7. Re: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
From: fmw@q...
8. Re: Which auto locker?
From: "Nick Notestine" <nnote@a...>
9. Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
From: "Nick Notestine" <nnote@a...>
10. Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
From: "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...>
11. [TR] Trip Report - Coves of Saguaro Lake - Saturday, May 26, 2001
From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
12. Re: tranny shop
From: "T.J. Nosmo-King" <ice626@h...>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 17:34:34 -0700
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
Subject: Re: Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
From all accounts, the Super 35 is a good upgrade for this axle, and it
comes with a full Detroit.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeepindog@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
> Ok, so some of you guys have too many cubic inches under your
> hoods, and no tolerance of puny axles! ha ha... Anyway, if Dana 35s
> were so weak that they cannot handle a locker, don't you guys think
> that ALL aftermarket manufacturers would STOP production on these
> units to avoid liability and warranty issues? Obviously if treated
> right a 35 is an acceptable axle to lock up. I happen to turn my
> axle shafts with a 2.5 liter engine that cannot generate enough
> horsepower to break a sweat, let alone an axle shaft. Unless, of
> course, I try to drive with the gas pedal to the floor. We all know
> that rock crawling requires skill and finesse, NOT horsepower. Look
> at Jason Bunch's '89 YJ that he used in the ARCA Extreme Rock
> Crawling Nationals. That guy uses a four cylinder engine and seems
> to do just fine. He also (probably!) has got super heavy-duty
> running gear under that rig! The point, though, is that I don't want
> to try to run mud bogs with a nitro-breathing dragon churnin' the
> drivetrain with insane amounts of torque. I want to CRAWL 3.5 and 4+
> trails with a 4 cylinder engine turning my 31" SSRs and be able to
> have traction when a wheel lifts. From all I have ever read, seen,
> and heard, a light foot and a little eyeball work make almost any
> obstacle driveable if you have decent flex and traction. On a
> related note I would also like to add that a 35 is a better axle than
> a model 20. Anyone disagree? So, let's all stop badmouthing the
> anemic 35 and help me find a locker that will make me happy. And byt
> the way, I am kidding about the "badmouthing". I know that you are
> all trying to either ward off evil for me before it happens, or
> relate some experience, etc. I moved here from Colorado a year ago,
> and I would have liked to have been locked up when I lived there. I
> have wheeled Moab in the TJ, and between CO, UT and now AZ I still
> want to be locked up to tackle harder trails. I definitely need to
> get out on a trail run with some of you. I live in Ahwatukee, so
> everything is far away. But I digress. Thanks for the advice from
> those of you who have given it. I will consider all of it. I would
> like to use the PowerTrax No-SLip. Anyone using one? Like it? Any
> dissenters among us? Let's hear it...
>
> Lachlan
>
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 20:41:27 EDT
From: ALIRAL17@A...
Subject: question on wheels....
I have recently picked up a set of 33's on 10 spoke cast wheels for a
smoking
deal. when i tried to mount them i found to my disappointment that the lugs
didn't come through the wheel. does anyone have aluminum wheels like this??
i need to know if anyone makes a lug nut that will work for my application.
thanks in advance. BRANDON
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 18:00:20 -0700
From: "Eric Herring" <herring@q...>
Subject: RE: question on wheels....
Most aluminum wheel lug nuts go into the wheel. Otherwise you need longer
studs.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: ALIRAL17@A... [mailto:ALIRAL17@A...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 5:41 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] question on wheels....
I have recently picked up a set of 33's on 10 spoke cast wheels for a
smoking
deal. when i tried to mount them i found to my disappointment that the lugs
didn't come through the wheel. does anyone have aluminum wheels like this??
i need to know if anyone makes a lug nut that will work for my application.
thanks in advance. BRANDON
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 01:25:01 -0000
From: monosyllabicguy@w...
Subject: Martinez Canyon Sunday morning
a friend and i were thinking of running Martinez tomorrow morning. a little
late on the notice, but if anyone wants to join us youre more than welcome.
probably be at the Florance Jct. Texaco at around 7:30 AM. were heading out
there from Tempe. i believe the trail is rated a 3.5 - 4.0. if anybody is
interested just email me and we can get in touch and work out some firm
details.
Joey
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 20:15:39 -0700
From: "Keith D. Orr" <korr@z...>
Subject: Appology to Thane and the Group!
I was not able to get with Thane this past week due to helping my Parents
move to Payson. Then by the time I did get my messages and e-mail, Thane had
already returned home. I really do want to get together with you all from
Phoenix and Tucson etc.. My life will slow down a little now due to the fact
that school is out and graduation and such. I am really in need of a
vacation. I am hoping to set up an outing here in Safford to Eagle Creek in
the near future. Again sorry for the mis-communications and near misses on
the outings. Thane, give me another chance Pard. I will make it up to you.
Thanks,
Casper
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 03:50:30 -0000
From: "Gary" <climbingfool@y...>
Subject: LAST MINUTE Sunday Run
I thought I had a run lined up for Sunday, but I guess it fell
through.
Anyone interested in heading out for a run tomorrow?
I am open minded about where, we ran Trail 42 today, it was pretty
much a snoozer, TOO MUCH traffic in the last few months...
BTW: I know 2 guys that have broken D35C's, I was present when one
happened...
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Message: 7
Date: (unknown)
From: fmw@q...
Subject: Re: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
"keep in mind the largest tire Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50."
This statement doesn't really mean anything.. The largest tire that Jeep put
on any Wrangler is 30 x 9.50.. The largest tire that Jeep put on a Dana44
(Wrangler) is 30 x 9.50.. Soooooo ?
:)
Fred
At 11:55 PM 5/26/1 -0000, cmandrick@h... wrote:
>The AMC 20 is a very stout axle when paired with a truss and 1-pc
>axle shafts. I had a 350 and 33's and an AMC 20, never broke
>anything, even with some smokey burnouts when a little Honda wanted
>to race... Point is, the d35 is ok for moderate trail use, but
>saying it is fine for big Jeep build-ups is like saying the stock
>suspension is fine. This is an expensive hobby, you can take short
>cuts but eventually stock parts break, keep in mind the largest tire
>Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50.
>
>Chris M
>87 YJ
>
>"Build it, beef it, or break it."
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
>> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone
>else
>> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
>> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
>> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
>> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But
>they
>> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability
>to
>> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are
>just
>> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock
>Buggy.
>> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from
>Colorado
>> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana
>44's
>> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
>> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front
>running
>> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and
>were
>> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that
>these
>> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
>> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
>> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles
>fail
>> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
>> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>>
>> Thane
>> 97TJ
>>
>> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right.
>I
>> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
>> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
>> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>>
>>
>>
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:30:07 -0700
From: "Nick Notestine" <nnote@a...>
Subject: Re: Which auto locker?
The Ox cover is damn tuff. It weighs about 15 pounds and is very thick,
machined out of solid steel. I have actually crushed rocks with it. I
haven't tried secondary protection but I think you would have to have a
custom fit.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Earls" <michael@c...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
> After installation of something like this, can I still put the
differential
> skid protection on there? Does it fit? I'd still like to see the OX
> protected from rock attacks.
>
> Just wondering. I am also keeping an eye out for locker solutions for
> installation sometime next year.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael Earls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Notestine [mailto:nnote@a...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:54 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeepindog@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
>
>
> Try www.oxtrax.com
> I have one and love it.
> Nick
>
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> From: <jeepindog@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:16 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
>
>
> > Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
> > want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
> > don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
> > expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
> > little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
> > come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
> > Rite? Detroit Gearless?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lachlan MacLean
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 22:33:06 -0700
From: "Nick Notestine" <nnote@a...>
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I have treated my Dana 30 and 35 very ruff and never had a problem. That's
even being locked with the Ox up front. Btw, the Ox locker is a very easy
install. I would say easier than most traction devices. The only special
tools you need is a bearing press or equivalent and a torque wrench.
Nick
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From: <97tj@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which Locker and Dana 35's
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 05:40:08 -0000
From: "Dan Coley" <mt_b@y...>
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
Tara disentegrated a D35 with a No-Slip in it, 4cyl. Was unfixable,
had to completely replace the rear end.
However that doesn't say anything bad about anything, just the fact
that it can happen. I've personally witnessed 2 broken D35 axle
shafts, but have yet to see a housing or tube break.
I replaced mine with Moser axles, and haven't broke...yet. However I
figure my time is limited running 4.0+ trails with 33in Swampers as a
daily driver, but it is a 4cyl. That's why I carry spare axles and
the tools to change them, anywhere and everywhere I go, wheeling or
not.
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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 06:00:05 (GMT)
From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Coves of Saguaro Lake - Saturday, May 26, 2001
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Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 00:07:49 -0700
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24405 From: Tom Dunn <tdunnsprint@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 0:34am
Subject: Subject: Re: question about security
Subject: Re: question about security
Here's my 2/5ths of a nickel:
It seems to me that anyone responsible enough to carry a sidearm should also
be
knowledgeable enough to dissemble it.
Taking a cue from the faceplate removals on car stereos, it seems to me a
revolver without a cylinder, or an auto without a slide would not be very
appealing to a thief. At the very least, such a disabled weapon could not
be used to wreak immediate havoc and would likely raise eyebrows should the
parts be attempted to be replaced (and the serial numbers would be
questioned).
Places to shoot are disappearing almost as fast as accessible roads.
-Tom D.
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 07:42:53 -0000
From: cmandrick@h...
Subject: Re: question about security
I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
news. Just my two cents...
Chris M
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
rattle some though)
> I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>
>
> You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like one
> would be good for a gun.
>
> Anyone have one of these?
>
> -- Dan
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with me
> > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I have a
> > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I was
> > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but now
> > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe when
> I have the top and doors off?
> >
> > -Mark
>
24406 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Sun Jan 2, 2000 6:29am
Subject: Re: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
cmandrick@h... wrote:
> keep in mind the largest tire
> Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50.
LOL, keep in mind then, that the largest
tire Jeep puts on a D44 is also a 30X9.50.
And FWIW, I've seen d35's (and d44's) break on small stuff. I've also
seen d35's (and d44's) hold up to some really heavy stuff. The best I
can tell, is that it really is a function of driving style more than
anything.
24407 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 8:35am
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Unspecified - Saturday, May 26, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Stu Olson lead a trail run Saturday, May 26, 2001 across Unspecified
We met at the designated location and waited a few extra minutes for a couple of folks to arrive. A quick hop down the freeway to the Rock Springs exit gave an impressive display of Jeep hardware.....13 short wheel base vehicles...covered just about every configuration you could think of from stockers to 6" lifts....darn nice picture for sure!
The night went well and we wrapped it up after 4 hours on the trail.
We had a little excitement right at the start on the first loose up-hill climb. This can be an interesting hill for open diff vehicles, as several discovered. It can also be an interesting hills for built vehicles that choose the hard right line. It can be an interesting viewing sport for those who have made it to the top and decide to watch Chris and his open diff 4 cylinder makes a Bonzai run up the hill! (gotta love it!)
YJ John (aka, U-Joint John) got himself sides on the steep hill after not quite making it to the top (this is an optional climb after you have come down the hill). Scott K. hopped into his TJ and took the bypass up to the top so he could position himself for a winch rescue. After a few attempts at better position (something about not pulling John's YJ sideways up the hill), John was at the top and all was good again. Scott then demonstrated that a Tera 4:1 not only allows you safely drive down the hill, but that it allows you to back up the hill as well (what a ham!).
We proceeded a bit further to the freeway tunnel....a large culvert that you drive through to get under the north bound I-17 lanes. It had a significant drop to the wash at the exit....but someone has filled a lot of it in, complete with some good sized timber. Not as fun as it use to be....but a good obstacle for the lower clearanced drivers. Scott and I spotted the folks through and no one managed to get hung up in the wash. We stopped here to catch some cold drinks and exchange lies, tall tales, etc.
About a quarter mile down the wash, my wife heard a rattle snake just off the side of the trail, and we saw another one about 20' ahead on the trail. This was a good reminder that wandering around on a night run may NOT be the best thing to do. Use those flashlights and be sure of what is going on around you.
A couple more gates (and a few cows) and we were on the last leg towards Table Mesa Road. This part of the trail is pretty much a big gentle roller coaster ride, nothing that our well seasoned group could not handle.
We stopped at the regular air up/down spot on Table Mesa. Some were heading back to town (like myself) while a half dozen others decided to squeeze Raw Deal in before calling it a night. Greetings were exchagned and the group went their ways.
I want to thank everyone for a great time. It was nice to see the old faces along with all of the new ones. I am so bad with names that I won't even try to make a list of who was there. :( I hope you all enjoyed the trip and I look forward to finding you on another trail in the not too distant future.
Click Here for more Information and to View Pictures
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
24408 From: <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 9:24am
Subject: Re: AZ-VJC Raffle Jeep??
I posted a couple pictures of the Jeep to
http://photos.yahoo.com/jim.langdon so you can see what it looks like.
Thanks,
Jim
24409 From: <ALIRAL17@A...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 7:28am
Subject: FOR SALE
ALRIGHT EVERYBODY....I have a clutch for a 2.5L, T5 tranny.... it is a
centerforce clutch. I am talking almost brand new. PRESSURE PLATE and CLUTCH
DISC. what happened is i did a clutch on my CJ about 50 miles ago (this
clutch) after i did the clutch the 2.5 decided it didn't want to run
anymore...so i picked up a fuel injected 4.3 to swap in but of course you
have to use an all new clutch setup. So in short this centerforce is just
like new. it make a good spare or if you are having problems with your
clutch now it would swap in. I am only asking 50 bucks for it.
E-mail me with any questions. BRANDON
24410 From: <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 11:50am
Subject: A word or two about Trail Etiquette...
Not here to preach but to inform some that might not know better....
Spacing on the trail:
On non-technical trails there is no reason to follow 5ft behind the
person in front of you. Especially on night runs where your
headlights are blinding your fellow club member. Of course things are
going to get bunched up at times but we get enough bumper to bumper
on our daily commutes.... no reason to have it on the trail.
This goes for hills climbs/decents as well. A number of times during
the past few weeks I've seen someone start up or down a challenging
hill before the person in front of them has made it out of harms way.
Keep your distance.... its not a race to the finish line!
Hope everyone enjoys the last bit of the holiday weekend.
Cheers,
LarryM
24411 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 1:18pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I am not trying to split hairs, but driveline upgrades are a part of
jeeping. If you prefer to carry spare axles and take extra
precautions when 4-wheeling, then stick with stock axles. If you
plan on running 36's and a V-8 eventually, or if you drive your rig
hard, the D35 will eventually have to go. This is of course my
experience with factory axles, but I think a D35 is perfectly fine
for those of you with itty-bitty tires and conservative driving
styles... (Big Grin) If you want a better opinion, get registered
on Pirate4x4.com and post a question asking what those guys think of
D35 axles.
Peace love and hair grease,
Chris M
--- In az_vjc@y..., Daver <daver@c...> wrote:
> cmandrick@h... wrote:
> > keep in mind the largest tire
> > Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50.
>
> LOL, keep in mind then, that the largest
> tire Jeep puts on a D44 is also a 30X9.50.
>
> And FWIW, I've seen d35's (and d44's) break on small stuff. I've
also
> seen d35's (and d44's) hold up to some really heavy stuff. The best
I
> can tell, is that it really is a function of driving style more than
> anything.
24412 From: <JNB4PLS@a...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 1:21pm
Subject: FS: Teraflex Quick Disconnects
I recently installed Curries Anti Rock sway bar. I have a set of
Teraflex QD's that are one year old for sale. If any one is
interested make me an offer.
John Butler
24413 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 1:51pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if you
carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart is
a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO FIREARMS
!! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
soapbox now!
cmandrick@h... wrote:
> I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
> unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
> stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
> of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
> gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
> news. Just my two cents...
>
> Chris M
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
> rattle some though)
> > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
> F.
> >
> > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> >
> >
> > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
> one
> > would be good for a gun.
> >
> > Anyone have one of these?
> >
> > -- Dan
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
> me
> > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
> have
> > a
> > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> > was
> > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
> now
> > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
> when
> > I
> > > have the top and doors off?
> > >
> > > -Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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24414 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 1:58pm
Subject: FS: Wheels
OK, one more attempt at selling my other wheels. Trying to clean out the
garage and need the money for a new winch and mount.
1st set - 5 factory aluminum TJ "Grizley" wheels. 5 spoke, 15x7. 5.25"
backspacing. 5 on 4.5 pattern. Very good condition.
$175 for all 5
Pic:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=637162&a=9492008&p=31169150&f=0
2nd set - 5 factory aluminum TJ "Gambler" wheels. 5 hole, 15x8. 5.25"
backspacing. 5 on 4.5 pattern. OK condition. They look good from a few yards
back. 3 of them have had the center hole size increased for a Warn manual
hub conversion. They have the usual assortment of trail scars around the
outer lip. Good wheel for someone that wants decent looks but no worries
about scratching them.
$100 for all 5
Pic:
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/ViewPhoto?u=637162&a=9492034&p=31169687&f=0
If you think the prices are too high, make me an offer.
ChrisK
24415 From: Daver <daver@c...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 2:06pm
Subject: RE: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I've been on pirate4x4 for many years now. As I recall, Lance gets
occasionally bashed for running a "little" 44 in front with his meats.
Anyway, I agree that upgrading the 35 is a good idea, but I don't agree
that you can't run anything with a 35. Jeeper, um Steve something, on
this group, ran some pretty extreme trails with his 35. I recall him
having more trouble with his 30 up front than with his 35. Of course, he
has swapped up to a 60 w/ a v8 now, so...
I personally wouldn't recommend more than a 33 w/ a locker and a light
foot on a 35, for what it is worth.
Take it easy,
Daver
-----Original Message-----
From: cmandrick@h... [mailto:cmandrick@h...]
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:18 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I am not trying to split hairs, but driveline upgrades are a part of
jeeping. If you prefer to carry spare axles and take extra
precautions when 4-wheeling, then stick with stock axles. If you
plan on running 36's and a V-8 eventually, or if you drive your rig
hard, the D35 will eventually have to go. This is of course my
experience with factory axles, but I think a D35 is perfectly fine
for those of you with itty-bitty tires and conservative driving
styles... (Big Grin) If you want a better opinion, get registered
on Pirate4x4.com and post a question asking what those guys think of
D35 axles.
24416 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 2:45pm
Subject: Re: Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
It's your rig build it as you see fit. Though carry some spare shafts just in case. An AMC 20 is a great rear end, stronger than my Dana 44 if you weld the tubes to the housing and install 1 piece axleshafts.
Anyway time will tell. Cross those fingers and knock on wood.
Scott
jeepindog@yahoo.com wrote:
Ok, so some of you guys have too many cubic inches under your
hoods, and no tolerance of puny axles! ha ha... Anyway, if Dana 35s
were so weak that they cannot handle a locker, don't you guys think
that ALL aftermarket manufacturers would STOP production on these
units to avoid liability and warranty issues? Obviously if treated
right a 35 is an acceptable axle to lock up. I happen to turn my
axle shafts with a 2.5 liter engine that cannot generate enough
horsepower to break a sweat, let alone an axle shaft. Unless, of
course, I try to drive with the gas pedal to the floor. We all know
that rock crawling requires skill and finesse, NOT horsepower. Look
at Jason Bunch's '89 YJ that he used in the ARCA Extreme Rock
Crawling Nationals. That guy uses a four cylinder engine and seems
to do just fine. He also (probably!) has got super heavy-duty
running gear under that rig! The point, though, is that I don't want
to try to run mud bogs with a nitro-breathing dragon churnin' the
drivetrain with insane amounts of torque. I want to CRAWL 3.5 and 4+
trails with a 4 cylinder engine turning my 31" SSRs and be able to
have traction when a wheel lifts. From all I have ever read, seen,
and heard, a light foot and a little eyeball work make almost any
obstacle driveable if you have decent flex and traction. On a
related note I would also like to add that a 35 is a better axle than
a model 20. Anyone disagree? So, let's all stop badmouthing the
anemic 35 and help me find a locker that will make me happy. And byt
the way, I am kidding about the "badmouthing". I know that you are
all trying to either ward off evil for me before it happens, or
relate some experience, etc. I moved here from Colorado a year ago,
and I would have liked to have been locked up when I lived there. I
have wheeled Moab in the TJ, and between CO, UT and now AZ I still
want to be locked up to tackle harder trails. I definitely need to
get out on a trail run with some of you. I live in Ahwatukee, so
everything is far away. But I digress. Thanks for the advice from
those of you who have given it. I will consider all of it. I would
like to use the PowerTrax No-SLip. Anyone using one? Like it? Any
dissenters among us? Let's hear it...
Lachlan
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24417 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 3:40pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
As to your quick comment. Please be aware that in Arizona unless you have a
concealed carry permit a firearm in your jeep must be in plain sight while
you are in the vehicle. This being said I don't keep mine in plain sight
nor do I have a carry permit. I used to keep my pistol where I kept my
registration. This almost got me shot when I got pulled over once.
Fortunately before I reached for the registration I realized the weapon was
there and stuck my hands out the window and explained to the officer. Also
fortunately he did not cite me for a concealed weapon.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if you
carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart is
a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO FIREARMS
!! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
soapbox now!
cmandrick@h... wrote:
> I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
> unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
> stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
> of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
> gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
> news. Just my two cents...
>
> Chris M
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
> rattle some though)
> > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
> F.
> >
> > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> > To: az_vjc@y...
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> >
> >
> > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
> one
> > would be good for a gun.
> >
> > Anyone have one of these?
> >
> > -- Dan
> >
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
> me
> > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
> have
> > a
> > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> > was
> > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
> now
> > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
> when
> > I
> > > have the top and doors off?
> > >
> > > -Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
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24418 From: <fmw@q...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
Yup, I really worry for my safety and life everytime I go into a Wal-Mart.. :)
At 01:51 PM 5/27/1 -0700, Ray B. wrote:
>Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
>Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
>well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
>regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if you
>carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
>ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
>establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart is
>a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO FIREARMS
>!! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
>walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
>soapbox now!
>
>
>cmandrick@h... wrote:
>
>> I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
>> unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
>> stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
>> of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
>> gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
>> news. Just my two cents...
>>
>> Chris M
>>
>> --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
>> > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
>> rattle some though)
>> > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
>> F.
>> >
>> > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
>> > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
>> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
>> > To: az_vjc@y...
>> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>> >
>> >
>> > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
>> > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
>> one
>> > would be good for a gun.
>> >
>> > Anyone have one of these?
>> >
>> > -- Dan
>> >
>> >
>> > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
>> > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
>> me
>> > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
>> have
>> > a
>> > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
>> > was
>> > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
>> now
>> > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
>> > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
>> > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
>> when
>> > I
>> > > have the top and doors off?
>> > >
>> > > -Mark
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
24419 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:08pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
If the gun is in a holster, as mine are and I am sure most gun
owners don't have them laying out loose, you can have it in the
glove box.
Had this discussion once before. Here is a portion of the CCW
statute:
13-3102. Misconduct involving weapons; defenses; classification;
definitions
A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:
1. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section
13-3112
except a pocket knife concealed on his person; or
2. Carrying a deadly weapon without a permit pursuant to section
13-3112
concealed within immediate control of any person in or on a means
of
transportation; or
F. Subsection A, paragraph 1 of this section shall not apply to a
weapon or
weapons carried in a belt holster which holster is wholly or
partially
visible, or carried in a scabbard or case designed for carrying
weapons
which scabbard or case is wholly or partially visible or carried
in luggage.
Subsection A, paragraph 2 of this section shall not apply to a
weapon or
weapons carried in a case, holster, scabbard, pack or luggage
which is
carried within a means of transportation or within a storage
compartment,
trunk or glove compartment of a means of transportation.
In a storage compartment, the weapon is not in "immediate
control" of any person in the vehicle.
Hope this clears that up,
Ralph
TRobertsRN wrote:
>
> As to your quick comment. Please be aware that in Arizona unless you have a
> concealed carry permit a firearm in your jeep must be in plain sight while
> you are in the vehicle. This being said I don't keep mine in plain sight
> nor do I have a carry permit. I used to keep my pistol where I kept my
> registration. This almost got me shot when I got pulled over once.
> Fortunately before I reached for the registration I realized the weapon was
> there and stuck my hands out the window and explained to the officer. Also
> fortunately he did not cite me for a concealed weapon.
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>
> Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
> Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
> well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
> regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if you
> carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
> ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
> establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart is
> a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO FIREARMS
> !! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
> walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
> soapbox now!
>
> cmandrick@h... wrote:
>
> > I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
> > unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
> > stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
> > of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
> > gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
> > news. Just my two cents...
> >
> > Chris M
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
> > rattle some though)
> > > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
> > F.
> > >
> > > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> > > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> > >
> > >
> > > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> > > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
> > one
> > > would be good for a gun.
> > >
> > > Anyone have one of these?
> > >
> > > -- Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
> > me
> > > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> > > was
> > > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
> > now
> > > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
> > when
> > > I
> > > > have the top and doors off?
> > > >
> > > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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24420 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:14pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
Actually, you can keep a gun in a box or glove box, so long as it's in a
strapped holster. Don't need a concealed weapons permit - but it has to be
secured either in a box or holster. At least that's what a Police Chief told
me when I asked.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> As to your quick comment. Please be aware that in Arizona unless you have
a
> concealed carry permit a firearm in your jeep must be in plain sight while
> you are in the vehicle. This being said I don't keep mine in plain sight
> nor do I have a carry permit. I used to keep my pistol where I kept my
> registration. This almost got me shot when I got pulled over once.
> Fortunately before I reached for the registration I realized the weapon
was
> there and stuck my hands out the window and explained to the officer.
Also
> fortunately he did not cite me for a concealed weapon.
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>
>
> Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
> Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
> well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
> regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if
you
> carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
> ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
> establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart
is
> a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO
FIREARMS
> !! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
> walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
> soapbox now!
>
>
> cmandrick@h... wrote:
>
> > I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
> > unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
> > stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
> > of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
> > gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
> > news. Just my two cents...
> >
> > Chris M
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
> > rattle some though)
> > > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
> > F.
> > >
> > > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> > > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> > >
> > >
> > > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> > > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
> > one
> > > would be good for a gun.
> > >
> > > Anyone have one of these?
> > >
> > > -- Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
> > me
> > > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> > > was
> > > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
> > now
> > > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
> > when
> > > I
> > > > have the top and doors off?
> > > >
> > > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
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>
>
>
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24421 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:21pm
Subject: [TR] Coves of Saguaro Lake - Monday, May 28, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Bill Aylesworth is leading a Coves of Saguaro Lake trail run on Monday, May 28, 2001.
When: MEMORIAL DAY BABY!!
Where: GOIN TO BUTCHER JONES FOR A MORNING RUN
Rating: 2.5+
Length: 3-4 HRS
CB Channel: 10/frs 10/20
Bill and Allen are going out to the Coves and doing some wheeling
on MEMORIAL DAY (cus were both Veterans and deserve it!)
If and ye all want to watch Bill beat up his 55M38A1 CUMMON OUT.
WE WILL BE MEETING AT THE GATE ABOUT 7-7:15a.m.
CB: ch 10
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C-YOU THERE
At the Coves of Saguaro Lake, there are at least 4 coves to play in, on, and around. Many hill climbs provide a challenge to all levels of 4-Wheelers and vehicles.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the List or For More Information
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
24422 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:27pm
Subject: Re: Re: question about security
Thanks Doug and Ralph, I stand corrected, happily.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
To: "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
Actually, you can keep a gun in a box or glove box, so long as it's in a
strapped holster. Don't need a concealed weapons permit - but it has to be
secured either in a box or holster. At least that's what a Police Chief told
me when I asked.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 3:40 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> As to your quick comment. Please be aware that in Arizona unless you have
a
> concealed carry permit a firearm in your jeep must be in plain sight while
> you are in the vehicle. This being said I don't keep mine in plain sight
> nor do I have a carry permit. I used to keep my pistol where I kept my
> registration. This almost got me shot when I got pulled over once.
> Fortunately before I reached for the registration I realized the weapon
was
> there and stuck my hands out the window and explained to the officer.
Also
> fortunately he did not cite me for a concealed weapon.
>
> Tom
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray B." <kb7skv@c...>
> Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 1:51 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>
>
> Just a quick comment...I get pretty heated on the subject of guns!!!
> Use a gunsafe designed for one pistol (many on the market!!) and secure it
> well, and out of sight (under the seat is a good place to start). AND In
> regard to leaving it in your vehicle; you will discover very quickly if
you
> carry at all that not all businesses understand our right to protect
> ourselves, and therefore do NOT allow weapons of any sort in their
> establishments. This said, you cannot ALWAYS keep it with you...Wal-Mart
is
> a good example, often have signs near customer service that say NO
FIREARMS
> !! Not my idea of good PR, but that's their problem, I do NOT patronize
> walmart unless it's an absolute necessity anymore. Ill get down from my
> soapbox now!
>
>
> cmandrick@h... wrote:
>
> > I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
> > unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
> > stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
> > of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
> > gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
> > news. Just my two cents...
> >
> > Chris M
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> > > Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
> > rattle some though)
> > > I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
> > F.
> > >
> > > I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> > > http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> > > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@y...
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
> > >
> > >
> > > You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> > > lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
> > one
> > > would be good for a gun.
> > >
> > > Anyone have one of these?
> > >
> > > -- Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > > > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
> > me
> > > > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
> > have
> > > a
> > > > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> > > was
> > > > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
> > now
> > > > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > > > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > > > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
> > when
> > > I
> > > > have the top and doors off?
> > > >
> > > > -Mark
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
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24423 From: Michael Earls <michael@c...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:32pm
Subject: Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
Greetings,
We just found a scuba tank (tank only, no valves) at a thrift store for $10
and we'd like to convert it for use with our Jeep tires. Can anyone tell us
what we need to get to do this conversion? Also, how well does it work for
you? Any comments, thoughts, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Michael and Laurie Earls
24424 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 5:51pm
Subject: Re: Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
First - an most important - you need to have the tank hydro'd. Any full
service scuba shop can do this. Most scuba tanks are aluminum, and the
pressurizing of them (and depressurzing of them) eventually weakens them and
can lead to fairly dramatic failure. As I recall, they need to be hydro'd
every 2 years - or else you can't get them filled. If it's a steel tank,
you'll probably be fine, but should have it checked out in any event.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Earls" <michael@c...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
> Greetings,
>
> We just found a scuba tank (tank only, no valves) at a thrift store for
$10
> and we'd like to convert it for use with our Jeep tires. Can anyone tell
us
> what we need to get to do this conversion? Also, how well does it work
for
> you? Any comments, thoughts, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael and Laurie Earls
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
24425 From: TRobertsRN <TRobertsRN@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 6:20pm
Subject: Fw: Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
----- Original Message -----
From: "TRobertsRN" <TRobertsRN@e...>
To: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 6:19 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
I do this to fill my tires. It works very well, quick. You will need a
first stage ( to drop the 2000 psi to around 90) regulator and a tire air
chuck connected to a dive hose. No one will fill the tank without the tank
being current as to hydro test and visual inspection. You will also need a
SCUBA diving certification to fill at a SCUBA shop. This is all very
important to insure the tank is safe and you are safe in your operation of
it. A bad tank or improper operation can result in injury, blindness,
death. When you say no valves to you mean the tank is open? If this is
true the tank likely has rust if steel and may be useless. Using a SCUBA
tank to fill my tires works very well and was cheap for me as I already had
the equipment. Even used the proper equipment is going to be $100's. That
doesn't include SCUBA certification.
Tom 78 Cherokee
SCUBA diver
former deep sea diver/underwater welder
----- Original Message -----
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>; "Michael
Earls" <michael@c...>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
First - an most important - you need to have the tank hydro'd. Any full
service scuba shop can do this. Most scuba tanks are aluminum, and the
pressurizing of them (and depressurzing of them) eventually weakens them and
can lead to fairly dramatic failure. As I recall, they need to be hydro'd
every 2 years - or else you can't get them filled. If it's a steel tank,
you'll probably be fine, but should have it checked out in any event.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Earls" <michael@c...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
> Greetings,
>
> We just found a scuba tank (tank only, no valves) at a thrift store for
$10
> and we'd like to convert it for use with our Jeep tires. Can anyone tell
us
> what we need to get to do this conversion? Also, how well does it work
for
> you? Any comments, thoughts, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael and Laurie Earls
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24426 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 6:21pm
Subject: Re: Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
I would recommend that you go with liquid CO2 instead. First off the volume of gas with liquid CO2 is substantially higher that with compressed gas. Also liquid CO2 pressures are not as dangerous as carrying compressed air in a scuba tank. I really wouldn't want to be on the trail with you if you ever rolled and the valve broke. The CO2 if it ever were to blow would still still scare the hell out of you but wouldn't become a lethal hazard. The CO2 also has sufficient volume to use airtools on the trail. The scuba tank would run dry long before you finished your trail fix.
Look back at my recent post on CO2. It's only $11 per fillup on a tank exchange for a 10# tank which is quite a bit smaller than the scuba tank, yet holds a higher volume of gas. I spent $38 for a vehicle mounting bracket and $130 for the first tank, 100 psi regulater ready for 1/4" NPT air fittings, and the first fillup.
I filled my 35" tires last night from 10 psi up to my normal 25 psi in about 45 seconds each. I did all four in less time than I used to fill 1 tire with an electric.
Take care and think safety,
Scott
DougB wrote:
First - an most important - you need to have the tank hydro'd. Any full
service scuba shop can do this. Most scuba tanks are aluminum, and the
pressurizing of them (and depressurzing of them) eventually weakens them and
can lead to fairly dramatic failure. As I recall, they need to be hydro'd
every 2 years - or else you can't get them filled. If it's a steel tank,
you'll probably be fine, but should have it checked out in any event.
Doug
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From: "Michael Earls"
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)"
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 5:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Question about Scuba Tank for Airing Up
> Greetings,
>
> We just found a scuba tank (tank only, no valves) at a thrift store for
$10
> and we'd like to convert it for use with our Jeep tires. Can anyone tell
us
> what we need to get to do this conversion? Also, how well does it work
for
> you? Any comments, thoughts, or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael and Laurie Earls
>
>
>
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24427 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 6:42pm
Subject: Re: A word or two about Trail Etiquette...
Larry makes a valid point. Now that the
night run season is upon us, it would be a
good time to invest about $40 in a set of
rock lights. There's very useful on the trail
and you won't blind the poor schmoe in fron
of you.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> Not here to preach but to inform some that might not know better....
>
> Spacing on the trail:
>
> On non-technical trails there is no reason to follow 5ft behind the
> person in front of you. Especially on night runs where your
> headlights are blinding your fellow club member. Of course things are
> going to get bunched up at times but we get enough bumper to bumper
> on our daily commutes.... no reason to have it on the trail.
>
> This goes for hills climbs/decents as well. A number of times during
> the past few weeks I've seen someone start up or down a challenging
> hill before the person in front of them has made it out of harms way.
>
> Keep your distance.... its not a race to the finish line!
>
>
> Hope everyone enjoys the last bit of the holiday weekend.
>
> Cheers,
> LarryM
24428 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 7:08pm
Subject: RE: Re: A word or two about Trail Etiquette...
I tried using my rock lights last night as trail lights, and for me, they
don't project enough light ahead of the vehicle. (Since I was leading, I
wasn't worried about shining them on anyone) ;) They do an awesome job of
lighting up the immediate vacinity around and under the vehicle (great for
the spotter to see what you are rolling over). There wasn't much (if any)
moon last night so no help from that source.
Since I have a pair of factory fogs which have a very thin (in the vertical
plane) beam, I'm going to angle them down some and rely on them for the
trail.
-----Original Message-----
From: amstaff@e... [mailto:amstaff@e...]
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 6:42 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: A word or two about Trail Etiquette...
Larry makes a valid point. Now that the
night run season is upon us, it would be a
good time to invest about $40 in a set of
rock lights. There's very useful on the trail
and you won't blind the poor schmoe in fron
of you.
Dion
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeeperaz@q... wrote:
> Not here to preach but to inform some that might not know better....
>
> Spacing on the trail:
>
> On non-technical trails there is no reason to follow 5ft behind the
> person in front of you. Especially on night runs where your
> headlights are blinding your fellow club member. Of course things are
> going to get bunched up at times but we get enough bumper to bumper
> on our daily commutes.... no reason to have it on the trail.
>
> This goes for hills climbs/decents as well. A number of times during
> the past few weeks I've seen someone start up or down a challenging
> hill before the person in front of them has made it out of harms way.
>
> Keep your distance.... its not a race to the finish line!
>
>
> Hope everyone enjoys the last bit of the holiday weekend.
>
> Cheers,
> LarryM
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