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24379 From: <azyoyo7@a...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 9:22am
Subject: Dana 35
I have to agree with Thane. I to have a Dana 35, and I have had a lockright
in it for over 2 years. I have 33" tires and I have run 4+ trails with them.
I have had no problems with the axle or with the locker.I have a 95 Yj with
the 4.0. so I do not get the power that the V-8s get the the rear end.I
alsohave friends that have the lockrights with 35" tires and they have no
problems.
David
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24380 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 1:36pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I do not dislike the D-35, most of us have them, but to answer your
question: YES I have broken my D-35 drivers' side shaft with my little
33's. It happened when I got wedged in a hole where I had vertical rock
in front of and behind the tires, and I tried to power out...I'm sure
that my lock-right caused the shaft to break when I got some tire spin
and suddenly got traction on the drivers' side. I wasn't expecting it to
happen, but it does happen! Luckily I was with other Jeepers who had
spares. We fixed it on the trail. If I had been alone without a
spare....it would've been a LONG walk. Expect the unexpected!!! Get
your spares before you need them.
Russell
97tj@t... wrote:
>
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
>
>
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24381 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 1:52pm
Subject: OT: Free dog to GOOD home
Group,
As some of you know I raise German Shepherd puppies for the Eye Dog
Foundation. I have been raising a puppy since Christmas that we now know has
hip problems. Because of the hip problems that puppy has it can no longer be
in the eye dog program. I kept the last dog we raised because he had
allergies. The expense of our first dog and the fact that I am in school
right now, I/we cannot have another dog. The puppy will need hip replacement
surgery someday. The vet is not exactly sure when but, nearest he can
determine is two years old, she is 7 months old now. Shge has been spade, is
current on shots and knows basic obedience commands. She is a black and tan
GSD and is very good with other animals (even cats) and kids. Unlike our
first dog she has never chewed up anything that she wasn't suppose to.
I am sorry if this message offends anybody but, I know what the alternative
for her will be if she is turned back in. Please help find a good home for
her. I appreciate your help, whatever that may be.
--James
24382 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:27pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
Yup - I've seen several break and helped with the trail repair of one. It
was running 33's and snapped at the splines/c-clip.
----- Original Message -----
From: <97tj@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which Locker and Dana 35's
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
24383 From: Michael Earls <michael@c...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:22pm
Subject: RE: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
I have done west Table Mesa road with our stock 2001 TJ but I haven't done
the pipeline (we almost took that trail but decided to head towards Lake
Pleasant area). Is this trail OK for stock TJs?
We'll see you all tonight. We're bringing some friends who haven't done any
4-wheeling so it should be a blast. What CB channel will we use?
Thanks!
Michael and Laurie Earls
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:12 AM
To: Jeepguy@z...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
We are meeting at 5:30 PM at the I-17 and Table Mesa Road exit (stay on the
east side of the freeway). Once we have everyone, we will go a bit further
up the freeway towards Black Canyon City to the trail head.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeepguy@z... [mailto:Jeepguy@z...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:06 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from the
east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
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24384 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:33pm
Subject: Fw: Yucca CJ5
JimL (Yucca Man) - was one of the original dirty half dozen of the club.
About a year ago he moved to Colorado, but his CJ5 is still here in
Chandler.
As the attached note indicates, he's looking to sell it ($1,000), or he was
wondering if the club would like it as a raffle project.
Anyway - if anyone is interested, please call Jim (303-907-4410).
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Langdon" <yuccaman@e...>
To: <azjeep@h...>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:53 PM
Subject: Doug-Please Call ASAP
> Doug,
>
> I never thought I'd be the one saying this, but "divorce forces sale" of
my
> old CJ5. It's still in storage in the house in Chandler, but we are
closing
> that on May 30. I need to get the old Jeep out as soon as I can, and have
> someone lined up that has agreed to hold it for me for three weeks.
> However, it's not feasible for me to drive there to pick it up and bring
the
> old Jeep back to Colorado.
>
> At this point, I'm wondering if the AZ-VJC might be able to use it for
> fund-raising as a raffle item. If y'all want to rebuild it and raffle it,
> then fine. It is in semi-disassembled state but all the parts are supposed
> to be in the tub. My soon-to-be-inlaws are headed over later today to
check
> it out to verify everything is there but I am unfortunately on a very
short
> schedule for answers.
>
> If you know anyone that wants to buy it, feel free to give them my number
as
> well. I'm looking at the $1000 range for it.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Langdon
> 303-907-4410
>
> 1973 Jeep CJ-5
> AMC 304 V8 (rebuilt 1996)
> Edelbrock Performer manifold
> Carter AFB carb
> Transmission: T15 3-speed (rebuilt 1996)
> Transfer Case: Dana/Spicer 20
> Axles: Front Dana30, open, 4.27 r&p
> Rear Dana44, Trac-Loc LSD, 4.27 r&p (rebuilt 1995)
> Tires: 32x11.50x15" Norseman Radials
> Custom Features: Rancho 2.5" lift with Currie shackles, complete Painless
> Wiring harness (1998), 79 CJ dashboard (1996), GM one-wire alternator
> (1996), 3-core radiator w/electric fan (1997), full roll bar w/front hoop,
> power steering and brakes, diamond plate rear corners, oversize
(19-gallon?)
> fuel tank, rear seat
>
24385 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:37pm
Subject: RE: Which Locker and Dana 35's
OK....
Nice comments....I got no problem with them or you...so why flame you?
-----Original Message-----
From: 97tj@t... [mailto:97tj@t...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:32 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Which Locker and Dana 35's
I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
Thane
97TJ
PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
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24386 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:51pm
Subject: RE: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
I think you should be able to get your stock TJ through. I wheeled some
trails in Moab last month with a friend who had a stock TJ (we disconnected
his sway bar on the first trail even) and he did well. The trail he was on
was more difficult the the Pipeline trail.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Earls [mailto:michael@c...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 2:22 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
I have done west Table Mesa road with our stock 2001 TJ but I haven't done
the pipeline (we almost took that trail but decided to head towards Lake
Pleasant area). Is this trail OK for stock TJs?
We'll see you all tonight. We're bringing some friends who haven't done any
4-wheeling so it should be a blast. What CB channel will we use?
Thanks!
Michael and Laurie Earls
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:12 AM
To: Jeepguy@z...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
We are meeting at 5:30 PM at the I-17 and Table Mesa Road exit (stay on the
east side of the freeway). Once we have everyone, we will go a bit further
up the freeway towards Black Canyon City to the trail head.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeepguy@z... [mailto:Jeepguy@z...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:06 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from the
east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
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24387 From: <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 3:31pm
Subject: Re: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Agreed... a stock TJ should do fine on this trail.
Stu,
Dont wait for me if I dont show up at Table Mesa. I'll catch up if Im
running late.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> I think you should be able to get your stock TJ through. I wheeled
some
> trails in Moab last month with a friend who had a stock TJ (we
disconnected
> his sway bar on the first trail even) and he did well. The trail
he was on
> was more difficult the the Pipeline trail.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Earls [mailto:michael@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 2:22 PM
> To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
>
>
> I have done west Table Mesa road with our stock 2001 TJ but I
haven't done
> the pipeline (we almost took that trail but decided to head towards
Lake
> Pleasant area). Is this trail OK for stock TJs?
>
> We'll see you all tonight. We're bringing some friends who haven't
done any
> 4-wheeling so it should be a blast. What CB channel will we use?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Michael and Laurie Earls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:12 AM
> To: Jeepguy@z...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
>
>
> We are meeting at 5:30 PM at the I-17 and Table Mesa Road exit
(stay on the
> east side of the freeway). Once we have everyone, we will go a bit
further
> up the freeway towards Black Canyon City to the trail head.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeepguy@z... [mailto:Jeepguy@z...]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:06 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
>
>
> Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
> tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
> brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
> instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
> go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from the
> east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
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24388 From: <Jeepguy@z...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 4:30pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I think snapping axles also depends on the way you wheel! I know guys
that have ran with the best of em and never snapped one! Depends on
how hard you beat your rig! -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> OK....
>
> Nice comments....I got no problem with them or you...so why flame
you?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 97tj@t... [mailto:97tj@t...]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:32 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Which Locker and Dana 35's
>
>
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone
else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But
they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability
to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are
just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock
Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from
Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana
44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front
running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and
were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that
these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles
fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right.
I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24389 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 4:31pm
Subject: Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
Ok, so some of you guys have too many cubic inches under your
hoods, and no tolerance of puny axles! ha ha... Anyway, if Dana 35s
were so weak that they cannot handle a locker, don't you guys think
that ALL aftermarket manufacturers would STOP production on these
units to avoid liability and warranty issues? Obviously if treated
right a 35 is an acceptable axle to lock up. I happen to turn my
axle shafts with a 2.5 liter engine that cannot generate enough
horsepower to break a sweat, let alone an axle shaft. Unless, of
course, I try to drive with the gas pedal to the floor. We all know
that rock crawling requires skill and finesse, NOT horsepower. Look
at Jason Bunch's '89 YJ that he used in the ARCA Extreme Rock
Crawling Nationals. That guy uses a four cylinder engine and seems
to do just fine. He also (probably!) has got super heavy-duty
running gear under that rig! The point, though, is that I don't want
to try to run mud bogs with a nitro-breathing dragon churnin' the
drivetrain with insane amounts of torque. I want to CRAWL 3.5 and 4+
trails with a 4 cylinder engine turning my 31" SSRs and be able to
have traction when a wheel lifts. From all I have ever read, seen,
and heard, a light foot and a little eyeball work make almost any
obstacle driveable if you have decent flex and traction. On a
related note I would also like to add that a 35 is a better axle than
a model 20. Anyone disagree? So, let's all stop badmouthing the
anemic 35 and help me find a locker that will make me happy. And byt
the way, I am kidding about the "badmouthing". I know that you are
all trying to either ward off evil for me before it happens, or
relate some experience, etc. I moved here from Colorado a year ago,
and I would have liked to have been locked up when I lived there. I
have wheeled Moab in the TJ, and between CO, UT and now AZ I still
want to be locked up to tackle harder trails. I definitely need to
get out on a trail run with some of you. I live in Ahwatukee, so
everything is far away. But I digress. Thanks for the advice from
those of you who have given it. I will consider all of it. I would
like to use the PowerTrax No-SLip. Anyone using one? Like it? Any
dissenters among us? Let's hear it...
Lachlan
24390 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 4:48pm
Subject: Re: Dana 35
Ity is only a matter of time, you might not break an axle, but you
will burn up pinion bearings, wheel bearings, bend axle housings,
axle tubes, etc. I had a D35 non c-clip in my 87 YJ, completely
rebuilt, and after a locker and 31's, it lasted one summer before i
bent the housing. My driving style might of had something to do with
that, but keep a small savings account for when you hear a big "snap"
from the back of your Jeep! = )
Chris M
87 YJ with stuff
--- In az_vjc@y..., azyoyo7@a... wrote:
> I have to agree with Thane. I to have a Dana 35, and I have had a
lockright
> in it for over 2 years. I have 33" tires and I have run 4+ trails
with them.
> I have had no problems with the axle or with the locker.I have a 95
Yj with
> the 4.0. so I do not get the power that the V-8s get the the rear
end.I
> alsohave friends that have the lockrights with 35" tires and they
have no
> problems.
>
> David
24391 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 4:55pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
The AMC 20 is a very stout axle when paired with a truss and 1-pc
axle shafts. I had a 350 and 33's and an AMC 20, never broke
anything, even with some smokey burnouts when a little Honda wanted
to race... Point is, the d35 is ok for moderate trail use, but
saying it is fine for big Jeep build-ups is like saying the stock
suspension is fine. This is an expensive hobby, you can take short
cuts but eventually stock parts break, keep in mind the largest tire
Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50.
Chris M
87 YJ
"Build it, beef it, or break it."
>
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone
else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But
they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability
to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are
just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock
Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from
Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana
44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front
running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and
were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that
these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles
fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right.
I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
24392 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 5:34pm
Subject: Re: Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
From all accounts, the Super 35 is a good upgrade for this axle, and it
comes with a full Detroit.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeepindog@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
> Ok, so some of you guys have too many cubic inches under your
> hoods, and no tolerance of puny axles! ha ha... Anyway, if Dana 35s
> were so weak that they cannot handle a locker, don't you guys think
> that ALL aftermarket manufacturers would STOP production on these
> units to avoid liability and warranty issues? Obviously if treated
> right a 35 is an acceptable axle to lock up. I happen to turn my
> axle shafts with a 2.5 liter engine that cannot generate enough
> horsepower to break a sweat, let alone an axle shaft. Unless, of
> course, I try to drive with the gas pedal to the floor. We all know
> that rock crawling requires skill and finesse, NOT horsepower. Look
> at Jason Bunch's '89 YJ that he used in the ARCA Extreme Rock
> Crawling Nationals. That guy uses a four cylinder engine and seems
> to do just fine. He also (probably!) has got super heavy-duty
> running gear under that rig! The point, though, is that I don't want
> to try to run mud bogs with a nitro-breathing dragon churnin' the
> drivetrain with insane amounts of torque. I want to CRAWL 3.5 and 4+
> trails with a 4 cylinder engine turning my 31" SSRs and be able to
> have traction when a wheel lifts. From all I have ever read, seen,
> and heard, a light foot and a little eyeball work make almost any
> obstacle driveable if you have decent flex and traction. On a
> related note I would also like to add that a 35 is a better axle than
> a model 20. Anyone disagree? So, let's all stop badmouthing the
> anemic 35 and help me find a locker that will make me happy. And byt
> the way, I am kidding about the "badmouthing". I know that you are
> all trying to either ward off evil for me before it happens, or
> relate some experience, etc. I moved here from Colorado a year ago,
> and I would have liked to have been locked up when I lived there. I
> have wheeled Moab in the TJ, and between CO, UT and now AZ I still
> want to be locked up to tackle harder trails. I definitely need to
> get out on a trail run with some of you. I live in Ahwatukee, so
> everything is far away. But I digress. Thanks for the advice from
> those of you who have given it. I will consider all of it. I would
> like to use the PowerTrax No-SLip. Anyone using one? Like it? Any
> dissenters among us? Let's hear it...
>
> Lachlan
>
>
>
>
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24393 From: <ALIRAL17@A...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 1:41pm
Subject: question on wheels....
I have recently picked up a set of 33's on 10 spoke cast wheels for a smoking
deal. when i tried to mount them i found to my disappointment that the lugs
didn't come through the wheel. does anyone have aluminum wheels like this??
i need to know if anyone makes a lug nut that will work for my application.
thanks in advance. BRANDON
24394 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 6:00pm
Subject: RE: question on wheels....
Most aluminum wheel lug nuts go into the wheel. Otherwise you need longer
studs.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: ALIRAL17@A... [mailto:ALIRAL17@A...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 5:41 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] question on wheels....
I have recently picked up a set of 33's on 10 spoke cast wheels for a
smoking
deal. when i tried to mount them i found to my disappointment that the lugs
didn't come through the wheel. does anyone have aluminum wheels like this??
i need to know if anyone makes a lug nut that will work for my application.
thanks in advance. BRANDON
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24395 From: <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 6:25pm
Subject: Martinez Canyon Sunday morning
a friend and i were thinking of running Martinez tomorrow morning. a little late on the notice, but if anyone wants to join us youre more than welcome. probably be at the Florance Jct. Texaco at around 7:30 AM. were heading out there from Tempe. i believe the trail is rated a 3.5 - 4.0. if anybody is interested just email me and we can get in touch and work out some firm details.
Joey
24396 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 8:15pm
Subject: Appology to Thane and the Group!
I was not able to get with Thane this past week due to helping my Parents move to Payson. Then by the time I did get my messages and e-mail, Thane had already returned home. I really do want to get together with you all from Phoenix and Tucson etc.. My life will slow down a little now due to the fact that school is out and graduation and such. I am really in need of a vacation. I am hoping to set up an outing here in Safford to Eagle Creek in the near future. Again sorry for the mis-communications and near misses on the outings. Thane, give me another chance Pard. I will make it up to you. Thanks,
Casper
24397 From: Gary <climbingfool@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 8:50pm
Subject: LAST MINUTE Sunday Run
I thought I had a run lined up for Sunday, but I guess it fell
through.
Anyone interested in heading out for a run tomorrow?
I am open minded about where, we ran Trail 42 today, it was pretty
much a snoozer, TOO MUCH traffic in the last few months...
BTW: I know 2 guys that have broken D35C's, I was present when one
happened...
24398 From: <fmw@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 9:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
"keep in mind the largest tire Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50."
This statement doesn't really mean anything.. The largest tire that Jeep put
on any Wrangler is 30 x 9.50.. The largest tire that Jeep put on a Dana44
(Wrangler) is 30 x 9.50.. Soooooo ?
:)
Fred
At 11:55 PM 5/26/1 -0000, cmandrick@h... wrote:
>The AMC 20 is a very stout axle when paired with a truss and 1-pc
>axle shafts. I had a 350 and 33's and an AMC 20, never broke
>anything, even with some smokey burnouts when a little Honda wanted
>to race... Point is, the d35 is ok for moderate trail use, but
>saying it is fine for big Jeep build-ups is like saying the stock
>suspension is fine. This is an expensive hobby, you can take short
>cuts but eventually stock parts break, keep in mind the largest tire
>Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50.
>
>Chris M
>87 YJ
>
>"Build it, beef it, or break it."
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
>> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone
>else
>> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
>> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
>> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
>> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But
>they
>> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability
>to
>> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are
>just
>> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock
>Buggy.
>> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from
>Colorado
>> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana
>44's
>> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
>> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front
>running
>> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and
>were
>> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that
>these
>> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
>> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
>> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles
>fail
>> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
>> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>>
>> Thane
>> 97TJ
>>
>> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right.
>I
>> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
>> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
>> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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24399 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@a...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 10:30pm
Subject: Re: Which auto locker?
The Ox cover is damn tuff. It weighs about 15 pounds and is very thick,
machined out of solid steel. I have actually crushed rocks with it. I
haven't tried secondary protection but I think you would have to have a
custom fit.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Earls" <michael@c...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
> After installation of something like this, can I still put the
differential
> skid protection on there? Does it fit? I'd still like to see the OX
> protected from rock attacks.
>
> Just wondering. I am also keeping an eye out for locker solutions for
> installation sometime next year.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael Earls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Notestine [mailto:nnote@a...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:54 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeepindog@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
>
>
> Try www.oxtrax.com
> I have one and love it.
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeepindog@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:16 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
>
>
> > Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
> > want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
> > don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
> > expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
> > little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
> > come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
> > Rite? Detroit Gearless?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lachlan MacLean
> >
> >
> >
> >
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>
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24400 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@a...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 10:33pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I have treated my Dana 30 and 35 very ruff and never had a problem. That's
even being locked with the Ox up front. Btw, the Ox locker is a very easy
install. I would say easier than most traction devices. The only special
tools you need is a bearing press or equivalent and a torque wrench.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: <97tj@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which Locker and Dana 35's
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
>
>
>
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>
24401 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 10:40pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
Tara disentegrated a D35 with a No-Slip in it, 4cyl. Was unfixable,
had to completely replace the rear end.
However that doesn't say anything bad about anything, just the fact
that it can happen. I've personally witnessed 2 broken D35 axle
shafts, but have yet to see a housing or tube break.
I replaced mine with Moser axles, and haven't broke...yet. However I
figure my time is limited running 4.0+ trails with 33in Swampers as a
daily driver, but it is a 4cyl. That's why I carry spare axles and
the tools to change them, anywhere and everywhere I go, wheeling or
not.
24402 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 11:00pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Coves of Saguaro Lake - Saturday, May 26, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Nick Smith lead a trail run Saturday, May 26, 2001 across Coves of Saguaro Lake
Had a nice time, got to try out the new Goodyear MTR's and they were nice. Nobody out today, no crowds no traffic, they must all have headed north for the long weekend.
Click Here for more Information and to View Pictures
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
24403 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 0:07am
Subject: Re: tranny shop
I called jiffy lube and they said they don't change the filter because their process cleans it....is it just me or does that not sound right...???.....decided to do it myself....then change the filter again in another month just to try and get the gunky stuff out....btw....JL wanted $75.00
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made with meat???
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24379 From: <azyoyo7@a...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 9:22am
Subject: Dana 35
I have to agree with Thane. I to have a Dana 35, and I have had a lockright
in it for over 2 years. I have 33" tires and I have run 4+ trails with them.
I have had no problems with the axle or with the locker.I have a 95 Yj with
the 4.0. so I do not get the power that the V-8s get the the rear end.I
alsohave friends that have the lockrights with 35" tires and they have no
problems.
David
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24380 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 1:36pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I do not dislike the D-35, most of us have them, but to answer your
question: YES I have broken my D-35 drivers' side shaft with my little
33's. It happened when I got wedged in a hole where I had vertical rock
in front of and behind the tires, and I tried to power out...I'm sure
that my lock-right caused the shaft to break when I got some tire spin
and suddenly got traction on the drivers' side. I wasn't expecting it to
happen, but it does happen! Luckily I was with other Jeepers who had
spares. We fixed it on the trail. If I had been alone without a
spare....it would've been a LONG walk. Expect the unexpected!!! Get
your spares before you need them.
Russell
97tj@t... wrote:
>
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
>
>
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24381 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 1:52pm
Subject: OT: Free dog to GOOD home
Group,
As some of you know I raise German Shepherd puppies for the Eye Dog
Foundation. I have been raising a puppy since Christmas that we now know has
hip problems. Because of the hip problems that puppy has it can no longer be
in the eye dog program. I kept the last dog we raised because he had
allergies. The expense of our first dog and the fact that I am in school
right now, I/we cannot have another dog. The puppy will need hip replacement
surgery someday. The vet is not exactly sure when but, nearest he can
determine is two years old, she is 7 months old now. Shge has been spade, is
current on shots and knows basic obedience commands. She is a black and tan
GSD and is very good with other animals (even cats) and kids. Unlike our
first dog she has never chewed up anything that she wasn't suppose to.
I am sorry if this message offends anybody but, I know what the alternative
for her will be if she is turned back in. Please help find a good home for
her. I appreciate your help, whatever that may be.
--James
24382 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:27pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
Yup - I've seen several break and helped with the trail repair of one. It
was running 33's and snapped at the splines/c-clip.
----- Original Message -----
From: <97tj@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which Locker and Dana 35's
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
24383 From: Michael Earls <michael@c...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:22pm
Subject: RE: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
I have done west Table Mesa road with our stock 2001 TJ but I haven't done
the pipeline (we almost took that trail but decided to head towards Lake
Pleasant area). Is this trail OK for stock TJs?
We'll see you all tonight. We're bringing some friends who haven't done any
4-wheeling so it should be a blast. What CB channel will we use?
Thanks!
Michael and Laurie Earls
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:12 AM
To: Jeepguy@z...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
We are meeting at 5:30 PM at the I-17 and Table Mesa Road exit (stay on the
east side of the freeway). Once we have everyone, we will go a bit further
up the freeway towards Black Canyon City to the trail head.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeepguy@z... [mailto:Jeepguy@z...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:06 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from the
east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
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24384 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:33pm
Subject: Fw: Yucca CJ5
JimL (Yucca Man) - was one of the original dirty half dozen of the club.
About a year ago he moved to Colorado, but his CJ5 is still here in
Chandler.
As the attached note indicates, he's looking to sell it ($1,000), or he was
wondering if the club would like it as a raffle project.
Anyway - if anyone is interested, please call Jim (303-907-4410).
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Langdon" <yuccaman@e...>
To: <azjeep@h...>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:53 PM
Subject: Doug-Please Call ASAP
> Doug,
>
> I never thought I'd be the one saying this, but "divorce forces sale" of
my
> old CJ5. It's still in storage in the house in Chandler, but we are
closing
> that on May 30. I need to get the old Jeep out as soon as I can, and have
> someone lined up that has agreed to hold it for me for three weeks.
> However, it's not feasible for me to drive there to pick it up and bring
the
> old Jeep back to Colorado.
>
> At this point, I'm wondering if the AZ-VJC might be able to use it for
> fund-raising as a raffle item. If y'all want to rebuild it and raffle it,
> then fine. It is in semi-disassembled state but all the parts are supposed
> to be in the tub. My soon-to-be-inlaws are headed over later today to
check
> it out to verify everything is there but I am unfortunately on a very
short
> schedule for answers.
>
> If you know anyone that wants to buy it, feel free to give them my number
as
> well. I'm looking at the $1000 range for it.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim Langdon
> 303-907-4410
>
> 1973 Jeep CJ-5
> AMC 304 V8 (rebuilt 1996)
> Edelbrock Performer manifold
> Carter AFB carb
> Transmission: T15 3-speed (rebuilt 1996)
> Transfer Case: Dana/Spicer 20
> Axles: Front Dana30, open, 4.27 r&p
> Rear Dana44, Trac-Loc LSD, 4.27 r&p (rebuilt 1995)
> Tires: 32x11.50x15" Norseman Radials
> Custom Features: Rancho 2.5" lift with Currie shackles, complete Painless
> Wiring harness (1998), 79 CJ dashboard (1996), GM one-wire alternator
> (1996), 3-core radiator w/electric fan (1997), full roll bar w/front hoop,
> power steering and brakes, diamond plate rear corners, oversize
(19-gallon?)
> fuel tank, rear seat
>
24385 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:37pm
Subject: RE: Which Locker and Dana 35's
OK....
Nice comments....I got no problem with them or you...so why flame you?
-----Original Message-----
From: 97tj@t... [mailto:97tj@t...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:32 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Which Locker and Dana 35's
I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
Thane
97TJ
PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
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24386 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 2:51pm
Subject: RE: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
I think you should be able to get your stock TJ through. I wheeled some
trails in Moab last month with a friend who had a stock TJ (we disconnected
his sway bar on the first trail even) and he did well. The trail he was on
was more difficult the the Pipeline trail.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Earls [mailto:michael@c...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 2:22 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
I have done west Table Mesa road with our stock 2001 TJ but I haven't done
the pipeline (we almost took that trail but decided to head towards Lake
Pleasant area). Is this trail OK for stock TJs?
We'll see you all tonight. We're bringing some friends who haven't done any
4-wheeling so it should be a blast. What CB channel will we use?
Thanks!
Michael and Laurie Earls
-----Original Message-----
From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:12 AM
To: Jeepguy@z...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
We are meeting at 5:30 PM at the I-17 and Table Mesa Road exit (stay on the
east side of the freeway). Once we have everyone, we will go a bit further
up the freeway towards Black Canyon City to the trail head.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeepguy@z... [mailto:Jeepguy@z...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:06 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from the
east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
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24387 From: <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 3:31pm
Subject: Re: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Agreed... a stock TJ should do fine on this trail.
Stu,
Dont wait for me if I dont show up at Table Mesa. I'll catch up if Im
running late.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> I think you should be able to get your stock TJ through. I wheeled
some
> trails in Moab last month with a friend who had a stock TJ (we
disconnected
> his sway bar on the first trail even) and he did well. The trail
he was on
> was more difficult the the Pipeline trail.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Earls [mailto:michael@c...]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 2:22 PM
> To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
>
>
> I have done west Table Mesa road with our stock 2001 TJ but I
haven't done
> the pipeline (we almost took that trail but decided to head towards
Lake
> Pleasant area). Is this trail OK for stock TJs?
>
> We'll see you all tonight. We're bringing some friends who haven't
done any
> 4-wheeling so it should be a blast. What CB channel will we use?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Michael and Laurie Earls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:12 AM
> To: Jeepguy@z...; az_vjc@y...
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
>
>
> We are meeting at 5:30 PM at the I-17 and Table Mesa Road exit
(stay on the
> east side of the freeway). Once we have everyone, we will go a bit
further
> up the freeway towards Black Canyon City to the trail head.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeepguy@z... [mailto:Jeepguy@z...]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:06 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
>
>
> Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
> tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
> brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
> instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
> go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from the
> east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
>
>
>
>
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24388 From: <Jeepguy@z...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 4:30pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I think snapping axles also depends on the way you wheel! I know guys
that have ran with the best of em and never snapped one! Depends on
how hard you beat your rig! -Rob
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...> wrote:
> OK....
>
> Nice comments....I got no problem with them or you...so why flame
you?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: 97tj@t... [mailto:97tj@t...]
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:32 AM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Which Locker and Dana 35's
>
>
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone
else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But
they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability
to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are
just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock
Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from
Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana
44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front
running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and
were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that
these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles
fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right.
I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
>
>
>
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24389 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 4:31pm
Subject: Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
Ok, so some of you guys have too many cubic inches under your
hoods, and no tolerance of puny axles! ha ha... Anyway, if Dana 35s
were so weak that they cannot handle a locker, don't you guys think
that ALL aftermarket manufacturers would STOP production on these
units to avoid liability and warranty issues? Obviously if treated
right a 35 is an acceptable axle to lock up. I happen to turn my
axle shafts with a 2.5 liter engine that cannot generate enough
horsepower to break a sweat, let alone an axle shaft. Unless, of
course, I try to drive with the gas pedal to the floor. We all know
that rock crawling requires skill and finesse, NOT horsepower. Look
at Jason Bunch's '89 YJ that he used in the ARCA Extreme Rock
Crawling Nationals. That guy uses a four cylinder engine and seems
to do just fine. He also (probably!) has got super heavy-duty
running gear under that rig! The point, though, is that I don't want
to try to run mud bogs with a nitro-breathing dragon churnin' the
drivetrain with insane amounts of torque. I want to CRAWL 3.5 and 4+
trails with a 4 cylinder engine turning my 31" SSRs and be able to
have traction when a wheel lifts. From all I have ever read, seen,
and heard, a light foot and a little eyeball work make almost any
obstacle driveable if you have decent flex and traction. On a
related note I would also like to add that a 35 is a better axle than
a model 20. Anyone disagree? So, let's all stop badmouthing the
anemic 35 and help me find a locker that will make me happy. And byt
the way, I am kidding about the "badmouthing". I know that you are
all trying to either ward off evil for me before it happens, or
relate some experience, etc. I moved here from Colorado a year ago,
and I would have liked to have been locked up when I lived there. I
have wheeled Moab in the TJ, and between CO, UT and now AZ I still
want to be locked up to tackle harder trails. I definitely need to
get out on a trail run with some of you. I live in Ahwatukee, so
everything is far away. But I digress. Thanks for the advice from
those of you who have given it. I will consider all of it. I would
like to use the PowerTrax No-SLip. Anyone using one? Like it? Any
dissenters among us? Let's hear it...
Lachlan
24390 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 4:48pm
Subject: Re: Dana 35
Ity is only a matter of time, you might not break an axle, but you
will burn up pinion bearings, wheel bearings, bend axle housings,
axle tubes, etc. I had a D35 non c-clip in my 87 YJ, completely
rebuilt, and after a locker and 31's, it lasted one summer before i
bent the housing. My driving style might of had something to do with
that, but keep a small savings account for when you hear a big "snap"
from the back of your Jeep! = )
Chris M
87 YJ with stuff
--- In az_vjc@y..., azyoyo7@a... wrote:
> I have to agree with Thane. I to have a Dana 35, and I have had a
lockright
> in it for over 2 years. I have 33" tires and I have run 4+ trails
with them.
> I have had no problems with the axle or with the locker.I have a 95
Yj with
> the 4.0. so I do not get the power that the V-8s get the the rear
end.I
> alsohave friends that have the lockrights with 35" tires and they
have no
> problems.
>
> David
24391 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 4:55pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
The AMC 20 is a very stout axle when paired with a truss and 1-pc
axle shafts. I had a 350 and 33's and an AMC 20, never broke
anything, even with some smokey burnouts when a little Honda wanted
to race... Point is, the d35 is ok for moderate trail use, but
saying it is fine for big Jeep build-ups is like saying the stock
suspension is fine. This is an expensive hobby, you can take short
cuts but eventually stock parts break, keep in mind the largest tire
Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50.
Chris M
87 YJ
"Build it, beef it, or break it."
>
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone
else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But
they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability
to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are
just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock
Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from
Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana
44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front
running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and
were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that
these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles
fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right.
I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
>
>
>
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24392 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 5:34pm
Subject: Re: Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
From all accounts, the Super 35 is a good upgrade for this axle, and it
comes with a full Detroit.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeepindog@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 4:31 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Anger, hostility, and too much horsepower...
> Ok, so some of you guys have too many cubic inches under your
> hoods, and no tolerance of puny axles! ha ha... Anyway, if Dana 35s
> were so weak that they cannot handle a locker, don't you guys think
> that ALL aftermarket manufacturers would STOP production on these
> units to avoid liability and warranty issues? Obviously if treated
> right a 35 is an acceptable axle to lock up. I happen to turn my
> axle shafts with a 2.5 liter engine that cannot generate enough
> horsepower to break a sweat, let alone an axle shaft. Unless, of
> course, I try to drive with the gas pedal to the floor. We all know
> that rock crawling requires skill and finesse, NOT horsepower. Look
> at Jason Bunch's '89 YJ that he used in the ARCA Extreme Rock
> Crawling Nationals. That guy uses a four cylinder engine and seems
> to do just fine. He also (probably!) has got super heavy-duty
> running gear under that rig! The point, though, is that I don't want
> to try to run mud bogs with a nitro-breathing dragon churnin' the
> drivetrain with insane amounts of torque. I want to CRAWL 3.5 and 4+
> trails with a 4 cylinder engine turning my 31" SSRs and be able to
> have traction when a wheel lifts. From all I have ever read, seen,
> and heard, a light foot and a little eyeball work make almost any
> obstacle driveable if you have decent flex and traction. On a
> related note I would also like to add that a 35 is a better axle than
> a model 20. Anyone disagree? So, let's all stop badmouthing the
> anemic 35 and help me find a locker that will make me happy. And byt
> the way, I am kidding about the "badmouthing". I know that you are
> all trying to either ward off evil for me before it happens, or
> relate some experience, etc. I moved here from Colorado a year ago,
> and I would have liked to have been locked up when I lived there. I
> have wheeled Moab in the TJ, and between CO, UT and now AZ I still
> want to be locked up to tackle harder trails. I definitely need to
> get out on a trail run with some of you. I live in Ahwatukee, so
> everything is far away. But I digress. Thanks for the advice from
> those of you who have given it. I will consider all of it. I would
> like to use the PowerTrax No-SLip. Anyone using one? Like it? Any
> dissenters among us? Let's hear it...
>
> Lachlan
>
>
>
>
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24393 From: <ALIRAL17@A...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 1:41pm
Subject: question on wheels....
I have recently picked up a set of 33's on 10 spoke cast wheels for a smoking
deal. when i tried to mount them i found to my disappointment that the lugs
didn't come through the wheel. does anyone have aluminum wheels like this??
i need to know if anyone makes a lug nut that will work for my application.
thanks in advance. BRANDON
24394 From: Eric Herring <herring@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 6:00pm
Subject: RE: question on wheels....
Most aluminum wheel lug nuts go into the wheel. Otherwise you need longer
studs.
Eric Herring 92XJ
-----Original Message-----
From: ALIRAL17@A... [mailto:ALIRAL17@A...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 5:41 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] question on wheels....
I have recently picked up a set of 33's on 10 spoke cast wheels for a
smoking
deal. when i tried to mount them i found to my disappointment that the lugs
didn't come through the wheel. does anyone have aluminum wheels like this??
i need to know if anyone makes a lug nut that will work for my application.
thanks in advance. BRANDON
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24395 From: <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 6:25pm
Subject: Martinez Canyon Sunday morning
a friend and i were thinking of running Martinez tomorrow morning. a little late on the notice, but if anyone wants to join us youre more than welcome. probably be at the Florance Jct. Texaco at around 7:30 AM. were heading out there from Tempe. i believe the trail is rated a 3.5 - 4.0. if anybody is interested just email me and we can get in touch and work out some firm details.
Joey
24396 From: Keith D. Orr <korr@z...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 8:15pm
Subject: Appology to Thane and the Group!
I was not able to get with Thane this past week due to helping my Parents move to Payson. Then by the time I did get my messages and e-mail, Thane had already returned home. I really do want to get together with you all from Phoenix and Tucson etc.. My life will slow down a little now due to the fact that school is out and graduation and such. I am really in need of a vacation. I am hoping to set up an outing here in Safford to Eagle Creek in the near future. Again sorry for the mis-communications and near misses on the outings. Thane, give me another chance Pard. I will make it up to you. Thanks,
Casper
24397 From: Gary <climbingfool@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 8:50pm
Subject: LAST MINUTE Sunday Run
I thought I had a run lined up for Sunday, but I guess it fell
through.
Anyone interested in heading out for a run tomorrow?
I am open minded about where, we ran Trail 42 today, it was pretty
much a snoozer, TOO MUCH traffic in the last few months...
BTW: I know 2 guys that have broken D35C's, I was present when one
happened...
24398 From: <fmw@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 9:49pm
Subject: Re: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
"keep in mind the largest tire Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50."
This statement doesn't really mean anything.. The largest tire that Jeep put
on any Wrangler is 30 x 9.50.. The largest tire that Jeep put on a Dana44
(Wrangler) is 30 x 9.50.. Soooooo ?
:)
Fred
At 11:55 PM 5/26/1 -0000, cmandrick@h... wrote:
>The AMC 20 is a very stout axle when paired with a truss and 1-pc
>axle shafts. I had a 350 and 33's and an AMC 20, never broke
>anything, even with some smokey burnouts when a little Honda wanted
>to race... Point is, the d35 is ok for moderate trail use, but
>saying it is fine for big Jeep build-ups is like saying the stock
>suspension is fine. This is an expensive hobby, you can take short
>cuts but eventually stock parts break, keep in mind the largest tire
>Jeep put on a d35 is a 30x9.50.
>
>Chris M
>87 YJ
>
>"Build it, beef it, or break it."
>
>
>
>
>>
>> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
>> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone
>else
>> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
>> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
>> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
>> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But
>they
>> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability
>to
>> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are
>just
>> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock
>Buggy.
>> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from
>Colorado
>> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana
>44's
>> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
>> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front
>running
>> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and
>were
>> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that
>these
>> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
>> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
>> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles
>fail
>> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
>> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>>
>> Thane
>> 97TJ
>>
>> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right.
>I
>> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
>> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
>> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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24399 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@a...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 10:30pm
Subject: Re: Which auto locker?
The Ox cover is damn tuff. It weighs about 15 pounds and is very thick,
machined out of solid steel. I have actually crushed rocks with it. I
haven't tried secondary protection but I think you would have to have a
custom fit.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Earls" <michael@c...>
To: "AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 9:18 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
> After installation of something like this, can I still put the
differential
> skid protection on there? Does it fit? I'd still like to see the OX
> protected from rock attacks.
>
> Just wondering. I am also keeping an eye out for locker solutions for
> installation sometime next year.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Michael Earls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Nick Notestine [mailto:nnote@a...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:54 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeepindog@y...
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
>
>
> Try www.oxtrax.com
> I have one and love it.
> Nick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jeepindog@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:16 PM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
>
>
> > Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
> > want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
> > don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
> > expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
> > little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
> > come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
> > Rite? Detroit Gearless?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Lachlan MacLean
> >
> >
> >
> >
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24400 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@a...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 10:33pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I have treated my Dana 30 and 35 very ruff and never had a problem. That's
even being locked with the Ox up front. Btw, the Ox locker is a very easy
install. I would say easier than most traction devices. The only special
tools you need is a bearing press or equivalent and a torque wrench.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: <97tj@t...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 11:31 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which Locker and Dana 35's
> I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
> Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
> break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
> gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
> and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
> great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
> did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
> purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
> in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
> I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
> about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
> front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
> Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
> 38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
> on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
> guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
> 38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
> axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
> then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
> fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
>
> Thane
> 97TJ
>
> PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
> have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
> not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
> ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
>
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24401 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 10:40pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
Tara disentegrated a D35 with a No-Slip in it, 4cyl. Was unfixable,
had to completely replace the rear end.
However that doesn't say anything bad about anything, just the fact
that it can happen. I've personally witnessed 2 broken D35 axle
shafts, but have yet to see a housing or tube break.
I replaced mine with Moser axles, and haven't broke...yet. However I
figure my time is limited running 4.0+ trails with 33in Swampers as a
daily driver, but it is a 4cyl. That's why I carry spare axles and
the tools to change them, anywhere and everywhere I go, wheeling or
not.
24402 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 11:00pm
Subject: [TR] Trip Report - Coves of Saguaro Lake - Saturday, May 26, 2001
Hello All,
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24403 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Sun May 27, 2001 0:07am
Subject: Re: tranny shop
I called jiffy lube and they said they don't change the filter because their process cleans it....is it just me or does that not sound right...???.....decided to do it myself....then change the filter again in another month just to try and get the gunky stuff out....btw....JL wanted $75.00
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
327/TH350
If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made with meat???
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