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24353 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:01pm
Subject: RE: Re: question about security
Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does rattle some though)
I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like one
would be good for a gun.
Anyone have one of these?
-- Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with me
> a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I have
a
> TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
was
> originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but now
> that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe when
I
> have the top and doors off?
>
> -Mark
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24354 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 5:38pm
Subject: Re: Garmin Mapsource
Not to cause any contention but...
What if someone doesn't use Mapsource? What if someone doesn't
use a Garmin GPS? Wouldn't a plain text file be just as good and
compatible across all platforms? Most any mapping software can
import a plain text file of waypoints.
Maybe Mapsource tracks are text files....don't know as I don't
use it.
Ralph
> Stu Olson wrote:
>
> Exchanging CDs or floppies are not needed. You can .zip a half
> dozen MapSource tracks into a single file that will total about
> 20KB or so. Easy enough to attach to an e-mail message.
> Arrange an exchange with the person ahead of time so he doesn't
> think you are sending him an e-mail attached virus. ;)
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Earls [mailto:michael@c...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:49 AM
> To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> It's fairly easy to get a membership here. I'm not sure if
> anything is safe. Maybe we can share them with each other when
> we meet at the trails. Maybe a monthly/quarterly meeting where
> we exchange CD-ROMS or something (you must drive your Jeep to
> get a CD : ) ) I suppose we'll have to count on the laws of
> our country to keep these angry people away from us. I'm just
> curious, what do these anti-4-wheeling types use to get to the
> trails to plant spikes and cables? Geo Metros? Saturns?
>
> Everyone be safe this weekend.
>
> Michael Earls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:54 AM
> To: Rick Hall; AZVJC
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> Rick,
>
> I don't mind people in the club sharing GPS tracks
> and waypoints...that is one benefit the club can
> supply.
>
> I would strongly urge NO one to post our tracks on a
> web based server. I personally do not want the
> diaper tossing, beer drinking, trash leaving type of
> 4 wheeler using the trails we do. Obviously, they
> already do, but giving them directions will only make
> it worse. Ask Scott Duety (sp) about his feelings on
> the AZ trails book he published, now that has been
> out for a couple of years.
>
> Second....with the eco-freaks on the rise, I would
> also prefer for them to not know of my wheelin'
> spots. I don't need their cables, spikes, etc. put
> on our trails (and yes, they have done that).
> Burning car dealerships and houses is bad
> enough....don't give them directions to where we go
> Jeepin'.
>
> OK....I'll step off my soap box now, and I hope you
> understand where I am coming from. I have heard
> other club members make these same comments so I know
> that I am not the only one that feels this way. ;)
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Hall [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:22 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> I just got hold of a copy of Mapsource Topo. I know
> there are a few users of this software out there and
> was wondering if I could get a few routes/waypoints
> from anyone to start my collection. In fact if there
> are enough users maybe we could post the files in the
> files database.
>
> Rick
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24355 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:15pm
Subject: Re:IOD
The CB worked. The radio didn't work and none of the gauges worked. Ignition Off Draw doesn't sound right. None of these items (dash gauges and radio) work unless ignition is on. Where is the IOD fuse. Anyone know?? Keep in mind, everything else worked. Lights, blinkers, brake lights, the airbag warning light worked, the seat belt warning light worked. I think all of the dash lights worked too. Just the gauges and the radio were out. I drove it for 3 days this way. All I had to do was drive slow and fill 'er up more often. (Actually, I used my GPS for a speedometer since the lighter socket worked.)
Jon
At 10:12 PM 5/25/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:00:26 -0700
From: "Stu Olson"
Subject: RE: Re: IOD
Were that the case, then the CB or other electrical device that is wire to
that circuit would not have worked (because the fuse was blown). To the
best of my knowledge, Jon did not have his CB wired into this
circuit.....but if he did, than he needs to say if the CB did or did not
work after his dash panel went on the blink.
Stu
24356 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:16pm
Subject: Which auto locker?
Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
Rite? Detroit Gearless?
Thanks,
Lachlan MacLean
24357 From: blake shepherd <blake@b...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:28pm
Subject: RE: Which auto locker?
If you want a cheap and easy to install locker, I would recommend a
LOCKRITE. I am running a LOCKRIGHT in the rear of my CJ5 with a V8. Have
had no problems other than a constant "SNAP", "CRACKLE" and "POP" when
turning.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:17 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
Rite? Detroit Gearless?
Thanks,
Lachlan MacLean
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24358 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:40pm
Subject: Re: Which auto locker?
I think putting any kind of locker in a Dana 35 is a bad idea. You might try a true trac limited slip as an alternative. If you do install a locker be sure to carry spare axleshafts as you are going to need them. Or look into the Superior Super 35 kit which includes a Detroit locker and new 30 spline axleshafts. Jon Loveless did this to his TJ.
Scott
jeepindog@yahoo.com wrote:
Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
Rite? Detroit Gearless?
Thanks,
Lachlan MacLean
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24359 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 8:50pm
Subject: RE: Garmin Mapsource
Personally, I hate MapSource.....but I use it with my Garmin because of the
enhancement maps it uploads to the receiver.
I prefer using OziExplorer since I use USGS DRGs from my CD collection.
Best 7.5' topo maps available (made by your tax money and mine!).
As to to text files.....I'll export one of those for any one that wants it.
Myself....I HATE TYPING IN GPS COORDINATES....it is bad enough to type them
into a PC. It is really nasty when you have to enter them into the
GPS.....no keyboard!
Anyway....with something like OziExplorer, you can use virtually any GPS.
It supports dozens of GPS receivers. Can't go wrong with software like
that. I have a review on my web site and you can go to www.oziexplorer.com
to check it out there.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Williams [mailto:ralphbw@q...]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:38 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
Not to cause any contention but...
What if someone doesn't use Mapsource? What if someone doesn't
use a Garmin GPS? Wouldn't a plain text file be just as good and
compatible across all platforms? Most any mapping software can
import a plain text file of waypoints.
Maybe Mapsource tracks are text files....don't know as I don't
use it.
Ralph
> Stu Olson wrote:
>
> Exchanging CDs or floppies are not needed. You can .zip a half
> dozen MapSource tracks into a single file that will total about
> 20KB or so. Easy enough to attach to an e-mail message.
> Arrange an exchange with the person ahead of time so he doesn't
> think you are sending him an e-mail attached virus. ;)
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Earls [mailto:michael@c...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:49 AM
> To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> It's fairly easy to get a membership here. I'm not sure if
> anything is safe. Maybe we can share them with each other when
> we meet at the trails. Maybe a monthly/quarterly meeting where
> we exchange CD-ROMS or something (you must drive your Jeep to
> get a CD : ) ) I suppose we'll have to count on the laws of
> our country to keep these angry people away from us. I'm just
> curious, what do these anti-4-wheeling types use to get to the
> trails to plant spikes and cables? Geo Metros? Saturns?
>
> Everyone be safe this weekend.
>
> Michael Earls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:54 AM
> To: Rick Hall; AZVJC
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> Rick,
>
> I don't mind people in the club sharing GPS tracks
> and waypoints...that is one benefit the club can
> supply.
>
> I would strongly urge NO one to post our tracks on a
> web based server. I personally do not want the
> diaper tossing, beer drinking, trash leaving type of
> 4 wheeler using the trails we do. Obviously, they
> already do, but giving them directions will only make
> it worse. Ask Scott Duety (sp) about his feelings on
> the AZ trails book he published, now that has been
> out for a couple of years.
>
> Second....with the eco-freaks on the rise, I would
> also prefer for them to not know of my wheelin'
> spots. I don't need their cables, spikes, etc. put
> on our trails (and yes, they have done that).
> Burning car dealerships and houses is bad
> enough....don't give them directions to where we go
> Jeepin'.
>
> OK....I'll step off my soap box now, and I hope you
> understand where I am coming from. I have heard
> other club members make these same comments so I know
> that I am not the only one that feels this way. ;)
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Hall [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:22 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> I just got hold of a copy of Mapsource Topo. I know
> there are a few users of this software out there and
> was wondering if I could get a few routes/waypoints
> from anyone to start my collection. In fact if there
> are enough users maybe we could post the files in the
> files database.
>
> Rick
>
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24360 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 9:00pm
Subject: Re: tranny shop
Unfortunately, Jiffy lube charges around $100 for Jeep Auto trans
service.
They told me it's because "...it's Chrysler, it takes special fluid" I
really dont think ATF 3+ costs any more than Dexron but they wouldn't
budge on the price (T-bird @ I-17 shop) They dont drop the pan either,
so you get to keep all your sludge and your dirty filter. Next time I'm
going to AAMCO...
Russell
Damon Gentile wrote:
>
> I've heard that some JiffyLubes have that machine, essentially a
> dialysis machine for the tranny. They disconect a pressure line,
> let the tranny pump fluid into the machine and the machine pumps
> clean fluid back into the other side of the line...
>
> -d
>
> "T.J. Nosmo-King" wrote:
> >
> > anybody know of a tranny shop in east mesa that does the COMPLETE drain of
> > the system (torque converter) and filter change????...the guy I usually go
> > to does not have that capability....would like to get it done today or
> > tomorrow morning if possible....thanx in advance for the help....
> >
> > TJ Gill
> > 75 CJ5
> > 327/TH350
> > If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made with meat???
> >
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24361 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 9:10pm
Subject: Re: Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
I think the bottom line here is: if you drive without oil, expect
serious damage, most likely "F-U-B-A-R".
Eric Herring wrote:
>
> I think they all say that.
>
> Isn't duralube the one where they supposedly drained all the oil out of a
> Viper & then drove it around the track? Funny part was if you looked at some
> of the tape of the guy driving you could see on the gauge that it still had
> plenty of oil pressure. Hmmm.
>
> Eric Herring 92 XJ (with oil)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@t...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:17 PM
> To: brian.pavlich@i...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
>
> I thought it was Duralube you could do that with....
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Pavlich <brian.pavlich@i...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:48 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
>
> > I was sort of wondering if those Slick-50 commercials have some truth to
> > them?
> >
> > Say if you had used Slick 50 and then crunched your oil pan and drained
> it,
> > supposedly you could drive "50 miles to a service station" with no adverse
> > effects.
> >
> > I know the commercials are hard to believe, but has anyone actually had
> such
> > an experience?
> >
> > If so then I would say Slick-50 would be a good survival tool for Jeepin..
> >
> > - Brian (Zoner)
> >
> >
> >
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24362 From: blake shepherd <blake@b...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 9:23pm
Subject: RE: Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
I had a buddy in Alabama that had a '95 YJ. His oil filter came loose and
fell off while driving to work (about 10 miles). The 4.0 completely dried
up and froze. We had to rebuild the entire engine. I think he was using a
standard 30W oil with no special additives.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Gevarter [mailto:gev39@y...]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:11 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
I think the bottom line here is: if you drive without oil, expect
serious damage, most likely "F-U-B-A-R".
Eric Herring wrote:
>
> I think they all say that.
>
> Isn't duralube the one where they supposedly drained all the oil out of a
> Viper & then drove it around the track? Funny part was if you looked at
some
> of the tape of the guy driving you could see on the gauge that it still
had
> plenty of oil pressure. Hmmm.
>
> Eric Herring 92 XJ (with oil)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@t...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:17 PM
> To: brian.pavlich@i...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
>
> I thought it was Duralube you could do that with....
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Pavlich <brian.pavlich@i...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:48 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
>
> > I was sort of wondering if those Slick-50 commercials have some truth to
> > them?
> >
> > Say if you had used Slick 50 and then crunched your oil pan and drained
> it,
> > supposedly you could drive "50 miles to a service station" with no
adverse
> > effects.
> >
> > I know the commercials are hard to believe, but has anyone actually had
> such
> > an experience?
> >
> > If so then I would say Slick-50 would be a good survival tool for
Jeepin..
> >
> > - Brian (Zoner)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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24363 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 9:36pm
Subject: Re: Garmin Mapsource
Ahh...Doesn't Garmin (or somone) put out software that will
upload and download a plain text file directly to the GPS? Maybe
not, Lowrance does and their GPS's will take a text file as an
upload. Seems as tho' I have heard Garmin uses their own
proprietary format?
I would never expect anyone to have to type in all the
coordinates manually! This is 2001 after all. :)
Registered Ozi user here. It will export plain text files from a
track downloaded from any GPS if I remember correctly. (it is on
my laptop and I don't have it booted up right now)
Even Street Atlas will import a text waypoint file and plot it on
the map. You can then permanently attach the track to the map so
it will show if the track is from a road not shown on the map. I
think Ozi will do this also.
Just seems to me that anyone who has a GPS will (or should
anyway) have some software to convert a text file for use in the
GPS. GPS's have too small of a screen and trying to type
waypoints (as you noted) for any use is just too tedious. I did
that once or twice when I first got mine, transfering coordinates
manually from a paper map and inputting the route manually into
the GPS. It works, but in the time it took to do all of that I
could have got lost two or three times and found my way back. I
immediately got the cables and software to simplify this process.
:) I rarely even look at the screen on my GPS...just use the
laptop, much nicer.
Ralph
Stu Olson wrote:
>
> Personally, I hate MapSource.....but I use it with my Garmin because of the
> enhancement maps it uploads to the receiver.
>
> I prefer using OziExplorer since I use USGS DRGs from my CD collection.
> Best 7.5' topo maps available (made by your tax money and mine!).
>
> As to to text files.....I'll export one of those for any one that wants it.
> Myself....I HATE TYPING IN GPS COORDINATES....it is bad enough to type them
> into a PC. It is really nasty when you have to enter them into the
> GPS.....no keyboard!
>
> Anyway....with something like OziExplorer, you can use virtually any GPS.
> It supports dozens of GPS receivers. Can't go wrong with software like
> that. I have a review on my web site and you can go to www.oziexplorer.com
> to check it out there.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Williams [mailto:ralphbw@q...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:38 PM
> To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> Not to cause any contention but...
> What if someone doesn't use Mapsource? What if someone doesn't
> use a Garmin GPS? Wouldn't a plain text file be just as good and
> compatible across all platforms? Most any mapping software can
> import a plain text file of waypoints.
> Maybe Mapsource tracks are text files....don't know as I don't
> use it.
> Ralph
>
> > Stu Olson wrote:
> >
> > Exchanging CDs or floppies are not needed. You can .zip a half
> > dozen MapSource tracks into a single file that will total about
> > 20KB or so. Easy enough to attach to an e-mail message.
> > Arrange an exchange with the person ahead of time so he doesn't
> > think you are sending him an e-mail attached virus. ;)
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Earls [mailto:michael@c...]
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:49 AM
> > To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
> >
> > It's fairly easy to get a membership here. I'm not sure if
> > anything is safe. Maybe we can share them with each other when
> > we meet at the trails. Maybe a monthly/quarterly meeting where
> > we exchange CD-ROMS or something (you must drive your Jeep to
> > get a CD : ) ) I suppose we'll have to count on the laws of
> > our country to keep these angry people away from us. I'm just
> > curious, what do these anti-4-wheeling types use to get to the
> > trails to plant spikes and cables? Geo Metros? Saturns?
> >
> > Everyone be safe this weekend.
> >
> > Michael Earls
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:54 AM
> > To: Rick Hall; AZVJC
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > I don't mind people in the club sharing GPS tracks
> > and waypoints...that is one benefit the club can
> > supply.
> >
> > I would strongly urge NO one to post our tracks on a
> > web based server. I personally do not want the
> > diaper tossing, beer drinking, trash leaving type of
> > 4 wheeler using the trails we do. Obviously, they
> > already do, but giving them directions will only make
> > it worse. Ask Scott Duety (sp) about his feelings on
> > the AZ trails book he published, now that has been
> > out for a couple of years.
> >
> > Second....with the eco-freaks on the rise, I would
> > also prefer for them to not know of my wheelin'
> > spots. I don't need their cables, spikes, etc. put
> > on our trails (and yes, they have done that).
> > Burning car dealerships and houses is bad
> > enough....don't give them directions to where we go
> > Jeepin'.
> >
> > OK....I'll step off my soap box now, and I hope you
> > understand where I am coming from. I have heard
> > other club members make these same comments so I know
> > that I am not the only one that feels this way. ;)
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Hall [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:22 AM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
> >
> > I just got hold of a copy of Mapsource Topo. I know
> > there are a few users of this software out there and
> > was wondering if I could get a few routes/waypoints
> > from anyone to start my collection. In fact if there
> > are enough users maybe we could post the files in the
> > files database.
> >
> > Rick
> >
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24364 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 9:42pm
Subject: Re: Which auto locker?
I would have to agree. If you have a D35 and want a locker - do the Super 35. Otherwise get a good l/s.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: jeepindog@yahoo.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
I think putting any kind of locker in a Dana 35 is a bad idea. You might try a true trac limited slip as an alternative. If you do install a locker be sure to carry spare axleshafts as you are going to need them. Or look into the Superior Super 35 kit which includes a Detroit locker and new 30 spline axleshafts. Jon Loveless did this to his TJ.
Scott
jeepindog@yahoo.com wrote:
Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
Rite? Detroit Gearless?
Thanks,
Lachlan MacLean
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24365 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@a...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 11:54pm
Subject: Re: Which auto locker?
Try www.oxtrax.com
I have one and love it.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeepindog@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
> Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
> want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
> don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
> expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
> little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
> come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
> Rite? Detroit Gearless?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lachlan MacLean
>
>
>
>
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>
24366 From: <azmbtucson@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 0:01am
Subject: Confused about Command Trac
I am new to the Jeep community and am intent on getting
a jeep in the next month. I'm seriously looking at a
TJ. Can someone explain what the Jeep website explains
as "Command Trac part-time four wheel drive"? Is it true
honest to goodness four wheel drive, if so how does it work?
24367 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 0:42am
Subject: Re: question about security
I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
news. Just my two cents...
Chris M
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
rattle some though)
> I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>
>
> You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
one
> would be good for a gun.
>
> Anyone have one of these?
>
> -- Dan
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
me
> > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
have
> a
> > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> was
> > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
now
> > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
when
> I
> > have the top and doors off?
> >
> > -Mark
>
>
>
>
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24368 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 6:04am
Subject: Confused about Command Trac
Part time 4wd is 4wd w/o any differentiation between the rotation of front
and rear wheels. This makes it perfect for off-road, but should not be used
on dry pavement.
Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <azmbtucson@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:01 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Confused about Command Trac
>
>
> > I am new to the Jeep community and am intent on getting
> > a jeep in the next month. I'm seriously looking at a
> > TJ. Can someone explain what the Jeep website explains
> > as "Command Trac part-time four wheel drive"? Is it true
> > honest to goodness four wheel drive, if so how does it work?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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24369 From: <Jeepguy@z...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 7:06am
Subject: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from the
east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
24370 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 8:06am
Subject: Re: Confused about Command Trac
The Command-Trac is still not TRUE 4-wheel drive. It only locks in the
transfer case and turns front and rear driveshafts at the same speed. To
achieve honest 4WD, you must add aftermarket locking differentials in
the front and rear axles. Even with a factory Trac-Loc (limited slip,
non-locking)in the rear end, the best you have is 3 wheel drive.
azmbtucson@y... wrote:
>
> I am new to the Jeep community and am intent on getting
> a jeep in the next month. I'm seriously looking at a
> TJ. Can someone explain what the Jeep website explains
> as "Command Trac part-time four wheel drive"? Is it true
> honest to goodness four wheel drive, if so how does it work?
>
>
>
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24371 From: Mike Foster <mesa@s...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 8:06am
Subject: Re: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Here you go.
We will meet up at the Table Mesa exit at 5:30 PM (east side of the
freeway...don't cross over the freeway and go to the normal air down
spot) and then proceed up to Black Canyon City and start the trail
run.
mike
> Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
> tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
> brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
> instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
> go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from
the
> east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
24372 From: Michael Earls <michael@c...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 9:18am
Subject: RE: Which auto locker?
After installation of something like this, can I still put the differential
skid protection on there? Does it fit? I'd still like to see the OX
protected from rock attacks.
Just wondering. I am also keeping an eye out for locker solutions for
installation sometime next year.
Thanks,
Michael Earls
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Notestine [mailto:nnote@a...]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeepindog@y...
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
Try www.oxtrax.com
I have one and love it.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeepindog@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
> Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
> want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
> don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
> expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
> little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
> come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
> Rite? Detroit Gearless?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lachlan MacLean
>
>
>
>
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24373 From: Joe Larkin <joeclarkin@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 10:33am
Subject: Re: Confused about Command Trac
A part time transfer case, like command trac, means you can't be in
4wd all the time. You can only use it when you really need it, like
snow, mud, gravel, and other really low traction conditions.
This sounds worse than "full time" systems, but it isn't.
A part time system basically just locks the front and rear axles
together. This means that if either axle has good traction you keep
moving.
A full time system could (theoretically) get stuck if ONE(!) wheel
has no traction. So at worst a full time 4x4 is really "one wheel
drive" (so is a 2 wheel drive vehicle). Full time systems are more
suited to snow on the road than "real" off roading. This doesn't mean
they are bad, just not as suited for more extreme conditions. The
Jeep select trac (on Grand Cherokees and Cherokees?) has a part time
setting so it can handle the worse stuff.
However, most 4x4s (including stockish Jeeps) are really sort of two
wheel drive. The reason for this is the differentials. Differentials
are funny in that they only provide enough torque (rotational force)
as the wheel with least traction can use. So you could have a
situation where you have two wheels with traction (one in front and
one behind) and still go nowhere.
Traction aiding devices like limited slip differentials and lockers
change the equation. In particular, lockers make the differential
provide the same torque to both tires on an axle. So if a part time
4x4 vehicle is "locked" at both ends, it can move as long as one
wheel has traction. This amount of traction isn't free (in cost or in
on road driving characteristics), but it is necessary for the most
extreme of conditions. The vast majority of people, EVEN ON THIS
LIST, don't drive in these conditions.
In short, part time system just locks front and back axles together
so they both spin. But "open" differentials mean this is kind of 2
wheel drive vehicle on worst conditions. Can be used on paved streets
only if they are totally iced up or snowed up. Other on pavement use
could cause trouble.
Full time systems have some sort of differential between front and
back as well as left and right on each axle. Great for rain, snow,
etc. Less good for most extreme conditions. At worst can act like One
Wheel Drive (just like 2x4 car/truck).
Part time 4x4 with lockers front and rear could move even if three
wheels were off the ground (rare occurrence).
So, did this help or just confuse?
Joe Larkin
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24374 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 11:11am
Subject: RE: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
We are meeting at 5:30 PM at the I-17 and Table Mesa Road exit (stay on the
east side of the freeway). Once we have everyone, we will go a bit further
up the freeway towards Black Canyon City to the trail head.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeepguy@z... [mailto:Jeepguy@z...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:06 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from the
east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
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24376 From: <97tj@t...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 11:31am
Subject: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
Thane
97TJ
PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
24377 From: Felix and Kerry Santi <fes@u...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
Which ever one you choose is the right locker. I run Powertrax No
Slips front/ rear and like them. Others run Ox, Detroits, Etc.., and
we all swear they are the best.
Felix
24378 From: <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 1:21pm
Subject: AZ-VJC Raffle Jeep??
All,
I am looking to get rid of my 73 CJ5 which has been in storage in
Chandler since I moved out of state last summer. Time is short, but
I am considering donating the Jeep to the AZ-VJC so y'all can use it
as a fund-raiser (some assembly is required) or if someone wants to
buy it outright that would be fine as well.
I was one of the original "dirty half-dozen" in the AZ-VJC if you
don't already know me, but since moving to COlorado have not been
able to get back to pick up the old Jeep. Check it out under
the "old" members section of www.azvjc.org
Please e-mail me interests/questions.
Thank you,
Yucca-man
Jim Langdon
yucca-man@j...
24353 From: Hackle <hackle@q...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:01pm
Subject: RE: Re: question about security
Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does rattle some though)
I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim F.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like one
would be good for a gun.
Anyone have one of these?
-- Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with me
> a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I have
a
> TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
was
> originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but now
> that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe when
I
> have the top and doors off?
>
> -Mark
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24354 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 5:38pm
Subject: Re: Garmin Mapsource
Not to cause any contention but...
What if someone doesn't use Mapsource? What if someone doesn't
use a Garmin GPS? Wouldn't a plain text file be just as good and
compatible across all platforms? Most any mapping software can
import a plain text file of waypoints.
Maybe Mapsource tracks are text files....don't know as I don't
use it.
Ralph
> Stu Olson wrote:
>
> Exchanging CDs or floppies are not needed. You can .zip a half
> dozen MapSource tracks into a single file that will total about
> 20KB or so. Easy enough to attach to an e-mail message.
> Arrange an exchange with the person ahead of time so he doesn't
> think you are sending him an e-mail attached virus. ;)
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Earls [mailto:michael@c...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:49 AM
> To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> It's fairly easy to get a membership here. I'm not sure if
> anything is safe. Maybe we can share them with each other when
> we meet at the trails. Maybe a monthly/quarterly meeting where
> we exchange CD-ROMS or something (you must drive your Jeep to
> get a CD : ) ) I suppose we'll have to count on the laws of
> our country to keep these angry people away from us. I'm just
> curious, what do these anti-4-wheeling types use to get to the
> trails to plant spikes and cables? Geo Metros? Saturns?
>
> Everyone be safe this weekend.
>
> Michael Earls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:54 AM
> To: Rick Hall; AZVJC
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> Rick,
>
> I don't mind people in the club sharing GPS tracks
> and waypoints...that is one benefit the club can
> supply.
>
> I would strongly urge NO one to post our tracks on a
> web based server. I personally do not want the
> diaper tossing, beer drinking, trash leaving type of
> 4 wheeler using the trails we do. Obviously, they
> already do, but giving them directions will only make
> it worse. Ask Scott Duety (sp) about his feelings on
> the AZ trails book he published, now that has been
> out for a couple of years.
>
> Second....with the eco-freaks on the rise, I would
> also prefer for them to not know of my wheelin'
> spots. I don't need their cables, spikes, etc. put
> on our trails (and yes, they have done that).
> Burning car dealerships and houses is bad
> enough....don't give them directions to where we go
> Jeepin'.
>
> OK....I'll step off my soap box now, and I hope you
> understand where I am coming from. I have heard
> other club members make these same comments so I know
> that I am not the only one that feels this way. ;)
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Hall [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:22 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> I just got hold of a copy of Mapsource Topo. I know
> there are a few users of this software out there and
> was wondering if I could get a few routes/waypoints
> from anyone to start my collection. In fact if there
> are enough users maybe we could post the files in the
> files database.
>
> Rick
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24355 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:15pm
Subject: Re:IOD
The CB worked. The radio didn't work and none of the gauges worked. Ignition Off Draw doesn't sound right. None of these items (dash gauges and radio) work unless ignition is on. Where is the IOD fuse. Anyone know?? Keep in mind, everything else worked. Lights, blinkers, brake lights, the airbag warning light worked, the seat belt warning light worked. I think all of the dash lights worked too. Just the gauges and the radio were out. I drove it for 3 days this way. All I had to do was drive slow and fill 'er up more often. (Actually, I used my GPS for a speedometer since the lighter socket worked.)
Jon
At 10:12 PM 5/25/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:00:26 -0700
From: "Stu Olson"
Subject: RE: Re: IOD
Were that the case, then the CB or other electrical device that is wire to
that circuit would not have worked (because the fuse was blown). To the
best of my knowledge, Jon did not have his CB wired into this
circuit.....but if he did, than he needs to say if the CB did or did not
work after his dash panel went on the blink.
Stu
24356 From: <jeepindog@y...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:16pm
Subject: Which auto locker?
Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
Rite? Detroit Gearless?
Thanks,
Lachlan MacLean
24357 From: blake shepherd <blake@b...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:28pm
Subject: RE: Which auto locker?
If you want a cheap and easy to install locker, I would recommend a
LOCKRITE. I am running a LOCKRIGHT in the rear of my CJ5 with a V8. Have
had no problems other than a constant "SNAP", "CRACKLE" and "POP" when
turning.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: jeepindog@y... [mailto:jeepindog@y...]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:17 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
Rite? Detroit Gearless?
Thanks,
Lachlan MacLean
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24358 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 6:40pm
Subject: Re: Which auto locker?
I think putting any kind of locker in a Dana 35 is a bad idea. You might try a true trac limited slip as an alternative. If you do install a locker be sure to carry spare axleshafts as you are going to need them. Or look into the Superior Super 35 kit which includes a Detroit locker and new 30 spline axleshafts. Jon Loveless did this to his TJ.
Scott
jeepindog@yahoo.com wrote:
Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
Rite? Detroit Gearless?
Thanks,
Lachlan MacLean
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24359 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 8:50pm
Subject: RE: Garmin Mapsource
Personally, I hate MapSource.....but I use it with my Garmin because of the
enhancement maps it uploads to the receiver.
I prefer using OziExplorer since I use USGS DRGs from my CD collection.
Best 7.5' topo maps available (made by your tax money and mine!).
As to to text files.....I'll export one of those for any one that wants it.
Myself....I HATE TYPING IN GPS COORDINATES....it is bad enough to type them
into a PC. It is really nasty when you have to enter them into the
GPS.....no keyboard!
Anyway....with something like OziExplorer, you can use virtually any GPS.
It supports dozens of GPS receivers. Can't go wrong with software like
that. I have a review on my web site and you can go to www.oziexplorer.com
to check it out there.
Stu
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Williams [mailto:ralphbw@q...]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:38 PM
To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
Not to cause any contention but...
What if someone doesn't use Mapsource? What if someone doesn't
use a Garmin GPS? Wouldn't a plain text file be just as good and
compatible across all platforms? Most any mapping software can
import a plain text file of waypoints.
Maybe Mapsource tracks are text files....don't know as I don't
use it.
Ralph
> Stu Olson wrote:
>
> Exchanging CDs or floppies are not needed. You can .zip a half
> dozen MapSource tracks into a single file that will total about
> 20KB or so. Easy enough to attach to an e-mail message.
> Arrange an exchange with the person ahead of time so he doesn't
> think you are sending him an e-mail attached virus. ;)
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Earls [mailto:michael@c...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:49 AM
> To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> It's fairly easy to get a membership here. I'm not sure if
> anything is safe. Maybe we can share them with each other when
> we meet at the trails. Maybe a monthly/quarterly meeting where
> we exchange CD-ROMS or something (you must drive your Jeep to
> get a CD : ) ) I suppose we'll have to count on the laws of
> our country to keep these angry people away from us. I'm just
> curious, what do these anti-4-wheeling types use to get to the
> trails to plant spikes and cables? Geo Metros? Saturns?
>
> Everyone be safe this weekend.
>
> Michael Earls
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:54 AM
> To: Rick Hall; AZVJC
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> Rick,
>
> I don't mind people in the club sharing GPS tracks
> and waypoints...that is one benefit the club can
> supply.
>
> I would strongly urge NO one to post our tracks on a
> web based server. I personally do not want the
> diaper tossing, beer drinking, trash leaving type of
> 4 wheeler using the trails we do. Obviously, they
> already do, but giving them directions will only make
> it worse. Ask Scott Duety (sp) about his feelings on
> the AZ trails book he published, now that has been
> out for a couple of years.
>
> Second....with the eco-freaks on the rise, I would
> also prefer for them to not know of my wheelin'
> spots. I don't need their cables, spikes, etc. put
> on our trails (and yes, they have done that).
> Burning car dealerships and houses is bad
> enough....don't give them directions to where we go
> Jeepin'.
>
> OK....I'll step off my soap box now, and I hope you
> understand where I am coming from. I have heard
> other club members make these same comments so I know
> that I am not the only one that feels this way. ;)
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Hall [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:22 AM
> To: AZVJC
> Subject: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> I just got hold of a copy of Mapsource Topo. I know
> there are a few users of this software out there and
> was wondering if I could get a few routes/waypoints
> from anyone to start my collection. In fact if there
> are enough users maybe we could post the files in the
> files database.
>
> Rick
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24360 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 9:00pm
Subject: Re: tranny shop
Unfortunately, Jiffy lube charges around $100 for Jeep Auto trans
service.
They told me it's because "...it's Chrysler, it takes special fluid" I
really dont think ATF 3+ costs any more than Dexron but they wouldn't
budge on the price (T-bird @ I-17 shop) They dont drop the pan either,
so you get to keep all your sludge and your dirty filter. Next time I'm
going to AAMCO...
Russell
Damon Gentile wrote:
>
> I've heard that some JiffyLubes have that machine, essentially a
> dialysis machine for the tranny. They disconect a pressure line,
> let the tranny pump fluid into the machine and the machine pumps
> clean fluid back into the other side of the line...
>
> -d
>
> "T.J. Nosmo-King" wrote:
> >
> > anybody know of a tranny shop in east mesa that does the COMPLETE drain of
> > the system (torque converter) and filter change????...the guy I usually go
> > to does not have that capability....would like to get it done today or
> > tomorrow morning if possible....thanx in advance for the help....
> >
> > TJ Gill
> > 75 CJ5
> > 327/TH350
> > If we aren't supposed to eat animals, why are they made with meat???
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24361 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 9:10pm
Subject: Re: Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
I think the bottom line here is: if you drive without oil, expect
serious damage, most likely "F-U-B-A-R".
Eric Herring wrote:
>
> I think they all say that.
>
> Isn't duralube the one where they supposedly drained all the oil out of a
> Viper & then drove it around the track? Funny part was if you looked at some
> of the tape of the guy driving you could see on the gauge that it still had
> plenty of oil pressure. Hmmm.
>
> Eric Herring 92 XJ (with oil)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@t...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:17 PM
> To: brian.pavlich@i...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
>
> I thought it was Duralube you could do that with....
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Pavlich <brian.pavlich@i...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:48 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
>
> > I was sort of wondering if those Slick-50 commercials have some truth to
> > them?
> >
> > Say if you had used Slick 50 and then crunched your oil pan and drained
> it,
> > supposedly you could drive "50 miles to a service station" with no adverse
> > effects.
> >
> > I know the commercials are hard to believe, but has anyone actually had
> such
> > an experience?
> >
> > If so then I would say Slick-50 would be a good survival tool for Jeepin..
> >
> > - Brian (Zoner)
> >
> >
> >
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24362 From: blake shepherd <blake@b...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 9:23pm
Subject: RE: Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
I had a buddy in Alabama that had a '95 YJ. His oil filter came loose and
fell off while driving to work (about 10 miles). The 4.0 completely dried
up and froze. We had to rebuild the entire engine. I think he was using a
standard 30W oil with no special additives.
Blake
80CJ5
01 TJ
-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Gevarter [mailto:gev39@y...]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 9:11 PM
To: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club (E-mail)
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
I think the bottom line here is: if you drive without oil, expect
serious damage, most likely "F-U-B-A-R".
Eric Herring wrote:
>
> I think they all say that.
>
> Isn't duralube the one where they supposedly drained all the oil out of a
> Viper & then drove it around the track? Funny part was if you looked at
some
> of the tape of the guy driving you could see on the gauge that it still
had
> plenty of oil pressure. Hmmm.
>
> Eric Herring 92 XJ (with oil)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Witt [mailto:k7ant@t...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 4:17 PM
> To: brian.pavlich@i...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
>
> I thought it was Duralube you could do that with....
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Pavlich <brian.pavlich@i...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 10:48 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep survival kit, Slick 50?
>
> > I was sort of wondering if those Slick-50 commercials have some truth to
> > them?
> >
> > Say if you had used Slick 50 and then crunched your oil pan and drained
> it,
> > supposedly you could drive "50 miles to a service station" with no
adverse
> > effects.
> >
> > I know the commercials are hard to believe, but has anyone actually had
> such
> > an experience?
> >
> > If so then I would say Slick-50 would be a good survival tool for
Jeepin..
> >
> > - Brian (Zoner)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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24363 From: Ralph Williams <ralphbw@q...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 9:36pm
Subject: Re: Garmin Mapsource
Ahh...Doesn't Garmin (or somone) put out software that will
upload and download a plain text file directly to the GPS? Maybe
not, Lowrance does and their GPS's will take a text file as an
upload. Seems as tho' I have heard Garmin uses their own
proprietary format?
I would never expect anyone to have to type in all the
coordinates manually! This is 2001 after all. :)
Registered Ozi user here. It will export plain text files from a
track downloaded from any GPS if I remember correctly. (it is on
my laptop and I don't have it booted up right now)
Even Street Atlas will import a text waypoint file and plot it on
the map. You can then permanently attach the track to the map so
it will show if the track is from a road not shown on the map. I
think Ozi will do this also.
Just seems to me that anyone who has a GPS will (or should
anyway) have some software to convert a text file for use in the
GPS. GPS's have too small of a screen and trying to type
waypoints (as you noted) for any use is just too tedious. I did
that once or twice when I first got mine, transfering coordinates
manually from a paper map and inputting the route manually into
the GPS. It works, but in the time it took to do all of that I
could have got lost two or three times and found my way back. I
immediately got the cables and software to simplify this process.
:) I rarely even look at the screen on my GPS...just use the
laptop, much nicer.
Ralph
Stu Olson wrote:
>
> Personally, I hate MapSource.....but I use it with my Garmin because of the
> enhancement maps it uploads to the receiver.
>
> I prefer using OziExplorer since I use USGS DRGs from my CD collection.
> Best 7.5' topo maps available (made by your tax money and mine!).
>
> As to to text files.....I'll export one of those for any one that wants it.
> Myself....I HATE TYPING IN GPS COORDINATES....it is bad enough to type them
> into a PC. It is really nasty when you have to enter them into the
> GPS.....no keyboard!
>
> Anyway....with something like OziExplorer, you can use virtually any GPS.
> It supports dozens of GPS receivers. Can't go wrong with software like
> that. I have a review on my web site and you can go to www.oziexplorer.com
> to check it out there.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ralph Williams [mailto:ralphbw@q...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:38 PM
> To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
>
> Not to cause any contention but...
> What if someone doesn't use Mapsource? What if someone doesn't
> use a Garmin GPS? Wouldn't a plain text file be just as good and
> compatible across all platforms? Most any mapping software can
> import a plain text file of waypoints.
> Maybe Mapsource tracks are text files....don't know as I don't
> use it.
> Ralph
>
> > Stu Olson wrote:
> >
> > Exchanging CDs or floppies are not needed. You can .zip a half
> > dozen MapSource tracks into a single file that will total about
> > 20KB or so. Easy enough to attach to an e-mail message.
> > Arrange an exchange with the person ahead of time so he doesn't
> > think you are sending him an e-mail attached virus. ;)
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Earls [mailto:michael@c...]
> > Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 7:49 AM
> > To: AZ Virtual Jeep Club List (E-mail)
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
> >
> > It's fairly easy to get a membership here. I'm not sure if
> > anything is safe. Maybe we can share them with each other when
> > we meet at the trails. Maybe a monthly/quarterly meeting where
> > we exchange CD-ROMS or something (you must drive your Jeep to
> > get a CD : ) ) I suppose we'll have to count on the laws of
> > our country to keep these angry people away from us. I'm just
> > curious, what do these anti-4-wheeling types use to get to the
> > trails to plant spikes and cables? Geo Metros? Saturns?
> >
> > Everyone be safe this weekend.
> >
> > Michael Earls
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Stu Olson [mailto:solson8@q...]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 7:54 AM
> > To: Rick Hall; AZVJC
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
> >
> > Rick,
> >
> > I don't mind people in the club sharing GPS tracks
> > and waypoints...that is one benefit the club can
> > supply.
> >
> > I would strongly urge NO one to post our tracks on a
> > web based server. I personally do not want the
> > diaper tossing, beer drinking, trash leaving type of
> > 4 wheeler using the trails we do. Obviously, they
> > already do, but giving them directions will only make
> > it worse. Ask Scott Duety (sp) about his feelings on
> > the AZ trails book he published, now that has been
> > out for a couple of years.
> >
> > Second....with the eco-freaks on the rise, I would
> > also prefer for them to not know of my wheelin'
> > spots. I don't need their cables, spikes, etc. put
> > on our trails (and yes, they have done that).
> > Burning car dealerships and houses is bad
> > enough....don't give them directions to where we go
> > Jeepin'.
> >
> > OK....I'll step off my soap box now, and I hope you
> > understand where I am coming from. I have heard
> > other club members make these same comments so I know
> > that I am not the only one that feels this way. ;)
> >
> > Stu
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Hall [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 4:22 AM
> > To: AZVJC
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Garmin Mapsource
> >
> > I just got hold of a copy of Mapsource Topo. I know
> > there are a few users of this software out there and
> > was wondering if I could get a few routes/waypoints
> > from anyone to start my collection. In fact if there
> > are enough users maybe we could post the files in the
> > files database.
> >
> > Rick
> >
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24364 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 9:42pm
Subject: Re: Which auto locker?
I would have to agree. If you have a D35 and want a locker - do the Super 35. Otherwise get a good l/s.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Kruize
To: jeepindog@yahoo.com ; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
I think putting any kind of locker in a Dana 35 is a bad idea. You might try a true trac limited slip as an alternative. If you do install a locker be sure to carry spare axleshafts as you are going to need them. Or look into the Superior Super 35 kit which includes a Detroit locker and new 30 spline axleshafts. Jon Loveless did this to his TJ.
Scott
jeepindog@yahoo.com wrote:
Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
Rite? Detroit Gearless?
Thanks,
Lachlan MacLean
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24365 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@a...>
Date: Fri May 25, 2001 11:54pm
Subject: Re: Which auto locker?
Try www.oxtrax.com
I have one and love it.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeepindog@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
> Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
> want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
> don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
> expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
> little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
> come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
> Rite? Detroit Gearless?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lachlan MacLean
>
>
>
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24366 From: <azmbtucson@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 0:01am
Subject: Confused about Command Trac
I am new to the Jeep community and am intent on getting
a jeep in the next month. I'm seriously looking at a
TJ. Can someone explain what the Jeep website explains
as "Command Trac part-time four wheel drive"? Is it true
honest to goodness four wheel drive, if so how does it work?
24367 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 0:42am
Subject: Re: question about security
I would have to think it is not very responsible to leave a weapon
unattended in any place of a vehicle when parked. What if the car is
stolen? Eventually they will open everything looking for something
of value, even if it means a crowbar to open a lock-box. Keeping the
gun out of those hands means one less gun on the streets or in the
news. Just my two cents...
Chris M
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Hackle" <hackle@q...> wrote:
> Yeah I have the overhead console and I like it (it does
rattle some though)
> I never thought to use it for my gun though I may try that out. Jim
F.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> http://stk-yj.alloffroad.com/index.html
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dan [mailto:djweed@q...]
> Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 5:51 PM
> To: az_vjc@y...
> Subject: [az_vjc] Re: question about security
>
>
> You might consider that overhead console Tuffy sells. It has two
> lockable compartments, ostensibly for stereo or CB, but seems like
one
> would be good for a gun.
>
> Anyone have one of these?
>
> -- Dan
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., templar1@h... wrote:
> > The gun comment got me thinking. I am used to carrying a gun with
me
> > a lot of the time (concealed weapon permit etc) but now that I
have
> a
> > TJ I was wondering how secure is the stock console & glove box? I
> was
> > originally going to replace the center console with a tuffy but
now
> > that I have my jeep I really like the factory console. I have an
> > alarm with motion sensor going in the jeep today but will that and
> > the stock console be enough to keep my gun etc relatively safe
when
> I
> > have the top and doors off?
> >
> > -Mark
>
>
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24368 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 6:04am
Subject: Confused about Command Trac
Part time 4wd is 4wd w/o any differentiation between the rotation of front
and rear wheels. This makes it perfect for off-road, but should not be used
on dry pavement.
Doug
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <azmbtucson@y...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 12:01 AM
> Subject: [az_vjc] Confused about Command Trac
>
>
> > I am new to the Jeep community and am intent on getting
> > a jeep in the next month. I'm seriously looking at a
> > TJ. Can someone explain what the Jeep website explains
> > as "Command Trac part-time four wheel drive"? Is it true
> > honest to goodness four wheel drive, if so how does it work?
> >
> >
> >
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24369 From: <Jeepguy@z...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 7:06am
Subject: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from the
east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
24370 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 8:06am
Subject: Re: Confused about Command Trac
The Command-Trac is still not TRUE 4-wheel drive. It only locks in the
transfer case and turns front and rear driveshafts at the same speed. To
achieve honest 4WD, you must add aftermarket locking differentials in
the front and rear axles. Even with a factory Trac-Loc (limited slip,
non-locking)in the rear end, the best you have is 3 wheel drive.
azmbtucson@y... wrote:
>
> I am new to the Jeep community and am intent on getting
> a jeep in the next month. I'm seriously looking at a
> TJ. Can someone explain what the Jeep website explains
> as "Command Trac part-time four wheel drive"? Is it true
> honest to goodness four wheel drive, if so how does it work?
>
>
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24371 From: Mike Foster <mesa@s...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 8:06am
Subject: Re: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Here you go.
We will meet up at the Table Mesa exit at 5:30 PM (east side of the
freeway...don't cross over the freeway and go to the normal air down
spot) and then proceed up to Black Canyon City and start the trail
run.
mike
> Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
> tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
> brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
> instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
> go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from
the
> east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
24372 From: Michael Earls <michael@c...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 9:18am
Subject: RE: Which auto locker?
After installation of something like this, can I still put the differential
skid protection on there? Does it fit? I'd still like to see the OX
protected from rock attacks.
Just wondering. I am also keeping an eye out for locker solutions for
installation sometime next year.
Thanks,
Michael Earls
-----Original Message-----
From: Nick Notestine [mailto:nnote@a...]
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 11:54 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; jeepindog@y...
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
Try www.oxtrax.com
I have one and love it.
Nick
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeepindog@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2001 6:16 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Which auto locker?
> Ok, I want to throw an auto locker into the TJ's Dana 35, and I
> want some feedback on which one is the best for a daily driver. I
> don't want to go with the ARB, since it is too complicated and too
> expensive. I want a good auto locker that I can install with a
> little help, and just "point and shoot" whenever extra traction needs
> come up. So which one is it? Powertrax No-Slip? Easy Locker? Lock
> Rite? Detroit Gearless?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Lachlan MacLean
>
>
>
>
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24373 From: Joe Larkin <joeclarkin@y...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 10:33am
Subject: Re: Confused about Command Trac
A part time transfer case, like command trac, means you can't be in
4wd all the time. You can only use it when you really need it, like
snow, mud, gravel, and other really low traction conditions.
This sounds worse than "full time" systems, but it isn't.
A part time system basically just locks the front and rear axles
together. This means that if either axle has good traction you keep
moving.
A full time system could (theoretically) get stuck if ONE(!) wheel
has no traction. So at worst a full time 4x4 is really "one wheel
drive" (so is a 2 wheel drive vehicle). Full time systems are more
suited to snow on the road than "real" off roading. This doesn't mean
they are bad, just not as suited for more extreme conditions. The
Jeep select trac (on Grand Cherokees and Cherokees?) has a part time
setting so it can handle the worse stuff.
However, most 4x4s (including stockish Jeeps) are really sort of two
wheel drive. The reason for this is the differentials. Differentials
are funny in that they only provide enough torque (rotational force)
as the wheel with least traction can use. So you could have a
situation where you have two wheels with traction (one in front and
one behind) and still go nowhere.
Traction aiding devices like limited slip differentials and lockers
change the equation. In particular, lockers make the differential
provide the same torque to both tires on an axle. So if a part time
4x4 vehicle is "locked" at both ends, it can move as long as one
wheel has traction. This amount of traction isn't free (in cost or in
on road driving characteristics), but it is necessary for the most
extreme of conditions. The vast majority of people, EVEN ON THIS
LIST, don't drive in these conditions.
In short, part time system just locks front and back axles together
so they both spin. But "open" differentials mean this is kind of 2
wheel drive vehicle on worst conditions. Can be used on paved streets
only if they are totally iced up or snowed up. Other on pavement use
could cause trouble.
Full time systems have some sort of differential between front and
back as well as left and right on each axle. Great for rain, snow,
etc. Less good for most extreme conditions. At worst can act like One
Wheel Drive (just like 2x4 car/truck).
Part time 4x4 with lockers front and rear could move even if three
wheels were off the ground (rare occurrence).
So, did this help or just confuse?
Joe Larkin
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24374 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 11:11am
Subject: RE: Stu's Night Run.... Help!
We are meeting at 5:30 PM at the I-17 and Table Mesa Road exit (stay on the
east side of the freeway). Once we have everyone, we will go a bit further
up the freeway towards Black Canyon City to the trail head.
Stu
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From: Jeepguy@z... [mailto:Jeepguy@z...]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 7:06 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Stu's Night Run.... Help!
Okay I wanted to get the time and meeting place for the night run
tonight, but on the website, if the run is the same day the site
brings it up as if it is over, so there are no directions or
instructions, it doesn't even list the tentative people that might
go. So when and where is everyone meeting?? I am heading up from the
east side (Gilbert). Thanks!! -Rob
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24376 From: <97tj@t...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 11:31am
Subject: Which Locker and Dana 35's
I have a question for all of the guys that have this dilike for
Dana 35's. Have you ever broke an axle or actually seen someone else
break an axle? I have a 97TJ with a Dana 35, Detroit Locker, 4.88
gears and 33" tires with 109000 miles on it. I have done 3+ trails
and have had no problems with it. I know that the Dana 35 is not a
great axle and I wished that Jeep had never found the thing. But they
did and now I have one. Not everyone in this Club has the ability to
purchase or install larger axles in their Jeeps. Some of us are just
in this for the fun of it and not to build up the ultimat Rock Buggy.
I recently had the opportunity to talk with some guys from Colorado
about their Jeeps. The President of the Club had a CJ7 with Dana 44's
front and rear running 38" Swampers with a 350 V8. His Buddy had a
Rock Buggy with an AMC 20 in the rear and a Dana 44 up front running
38" Swampers with a 350 V8 also. They have run Moab, Rubicon and were
on there way down to Phoenix to run our trails. I am sure that these
guys have done more then most, and if they can run these axles with
38's then I see no need to run out there and buy up some huge truck
axles for my little 33's. Now when the time comes that my Axles fail
then I will worry about it. But untill then, if it aint broke don't
fix it. So there is my 2 cent's. Now go ahead, Flame On!
Thane
97TJ
PS; To answer the original question. I would go with a Lock Right. I
have one in the front of mine and I like it. Also, an Ox Locker is
not an easy install. It would be the same as a Detroit Locker or an
ARB Air locker. lots of time and money to install and set up.
24377 From: Felix and Kerry Santi <fes@u...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 0:53pm
Subject: Re: Which Locker and Dana 35's
Which ever one you choose is the right locker. I run Powertrax No
Slips front/ rear and like them. Others run Ox, Detroits, Etc.., and
we all swear they are the best.
Felix
24378 From: <yucca-man@j...>
Date: Sat May 26, 2001 1:21pm
Subject: AZ-VJC Raffle Jeep??
All,
I am looking to get rid of my 73 CJ5 which has been in storage in
Chandler since I moved out of state last summer. Time is short, but
I am considering donating the Jeep to the AZ-VJC so y'all can use it
as a fund-raiser (some assembly is required) or if someone wants to
buy it outright that would be fine as well.
I was one of the original "dirty half-dozen" in the AZ-VJC if you
don't already know me, but since moving to COlorado have not been
able to get back to pick up the old Jeep. Check it out under
the "old" members section of www.azvjc.org
Please e-mail me interests/questions.
Thank you,
Yucca-man
Jim Langdon
yucca-man@j...