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24253 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 9:59am
Subject: My beef w/ Discount
Greetings all,
After replacing everything except the disk drives my computer is up
and running again. I am sure all of you miss my technical questions
about engine swaps and such, ha-ha-ha... I must post about a bad
experience with Discount Tire here in Flagstaff that could have cost
me my Jeep, serious injury, or worse. I had a 33 BFG MT road hazard
repaired on the front left of my Jeep last Thursday before I went to
Las Vegas. I parked the Jeep over the weekend, and decided to go
camping Monday night. The original plan was to drive to Sedona, but
on my way down 89A I decided to stop about 15 minutes south of town
at a spot I was familiar with. Driving back the next morning I
noticed a bit of noise, almost like bearing noise, about a mile from
my apartment so I drove the rest of the way home to check it out.
Guess what? There were only 4 lug nuts on my Jeep, one broken stud,
and the remaining four were halfway loosened and the lug studs were
stretched and chafed to about half of their original thickness. I am
almost positive if I drove all the way into Sedona along 89A I would
have had a major incident involving a front tire falling off. Anyone
familiar with 89A and all of the steep grades and switchbacks knows
this would have been a bad deal. I replaced the wheel studs and
drove immediately to Discount and asked for some answers. At first
they told me it was my responsibility to torque the lug nuts after a
week, but when i produced the broken and stretched out lug stud from
my pocket the manager changed his tone a bit. He apologized for his
tech not tightening the lug nuts properly, and offered me a discount
on my next purchase from them. Is there anything to be learned from
this? Double-check or supervise all of the work done on your Jeep!
Even something as simple as a flat repair could ruin your day...
Still venting,
Chris M
87 YJ turd brown
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24254 From: KC B <kcbemail@h...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:05am
Subject: RE: The NEW Snorkel kit
No, where is it? I see a second battery, but not a compressor.
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24255 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:06am
Subject: Re: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
Setting a bead isn't that difficult. We had to set a 36x12.5" TSL/SX
on an 8 " rim a while ago. Get a racheting tie down and wrap it
around the tire circumference. One that is around, you should be
able to get the air pressure to set it. All you need to do is get
the tire to touch the rim enough to seal and build the pressure.
Then it seats on its own under pressure. I'll be the guinea pig!
Mike Anderson
24256 From: <fmw@q...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:11am
Subject: RE: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
On a CO2 tank, you can't use a guage to tell you when you are running low on
CO2.. The CO2 in the tank is liquid, and except for temperture variations,
the pressure in the tank will remain constant until it's essentially empty..
You have to weigh the tank.
:)
Fred
At 09:05 AM 05/24/2001 -0700, Mike Baney wrote:
>Stu already confirmed that I get PSI and CFM confused! ;)
>
>Air tools should run at approx 90 PSI correct? You have the 100# reg,
>does it have a gauge? If it does, do you really need the gauge? Just
>something I am curious about. Well besides to tell when you are out, but
>the wait of the tank is noticeable when you are running low.
>
>--- Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey Stu,
>> When you come over Saturday lets pop the bead off the rim on one of your
>> tires so we can test this out ;)
>> Stu has some interesting points. The CO2 regulator I purchased is
>> designed for running air tools and tire fillups with CO2. If you use a
>> regular regulator you will not get the flow that the CO2 regulators
>> provide. At least thats what the printed materials that came with the
>> regulator state. C'mon Stu, be the guniea pig.
>> Scott
>> Stu Olson <solson8@q...> wrote:
>> I could be completely wrong, so see if I am correct on this. I was
>> always
>> under the impression that seating a tire bead requires one to deliver a
>> high
>> volume of air (at pressure) to quickly expand the tire and get the bead
>> to
>> seat. I have seen these "tire seaters" in the catalogs designed just for
>> this....they dump a huge quantity of air in a second or two.
>>
>> So....you have a CO2 tank with a regulator. One being 100# and the other
>> being 150#. Given the tank and supply hose being common, would not the
>> only
>> difference be the max pressure that is delivered by the regulator. I was
>> not under the impression that a 150# regulator also supplied a higher
>> flow
>> rate (unless it is a high flow regulator?).
>>
>> Maybe I am completely off track here, but it seems like little would be
>> gained other than the max pressure....and the tires we use can't handle
>> the
>> max from either regulator.
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:03 PM
>> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
>>
>>
>> I did think of that after I bought it, I have been thinking of a way to
>> make QD for the regulators, 100 for the air tools, and the 150 for
>> tires.
>> Kind of have best of both worlds. I think putting a bead back on would
>> be
>> easier with the 150, but I have not *yet* had to do it.
>>
>>
>> --- Scott Kruize wrote:
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > The 150 psi spring is good for tires but beyond the spec of air tools.
>> > Thats why I went with the 100 psi. These regulators are so cheap that
>> > you could carry one of each.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike Baney wrote:
>> > I have about the same set up as Scott, I went with a 150 lbs spring
>> > though. I got my 50 ft. coil hose at Home Depot, 200psi rating for
>> > $8.00,
>> > it was cheaper than the 25 ft.! Go figure! I did a quick disonnect on
>> > each end too, might come in useful.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Scott Kruize wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I finally did it! I've now got an onboard CO2 setup. Having used
>> both
>> > a
>> > > Kilby/York setup and an onboard CO2 setup recently on a couple of
>> > fellow
>> > > Jeepers rigs I decided to go with the CO2. I found that all things
>> are
>> > > fairly equal until you use up your reserve capacity on the
>> Kilby/York
>> > > setup (whether that is a small tank or bumper capacity) the CO2 will
>> > > then run circles around the onboard York setup on the remaining 3
>> > tires.
>> > > Also by the time you mount extra reserve tanks for the onboard air
>> you
>> > > are taking up as much if not more space than the 10# tank. The CO2
>> is
>> > > the better choice for reseating a bead on the trail. It is also a
>> > better
>> > > choice for running airtools IMO since it is portable, and does not
>> > > depend on running the vehicle to provide pressure, and provides that
>> > > pressure consistently without the need to wait for the onboard tanks
>> > to
>> > > fill before being able to run the tools again. I know there are
>> > debates
>> > > on the heat expansion characteristics of CO2 vs compressed air but
>> in
>> > > most of the forums I've frequented it seems to be a non issue for
>> Jeep
>> > > use. Most of us are not running our tires at 100 mph :)
>> > >
>> > > Here are some price breakdowns that I researched including what I
>> > > finally purchased.
>> > >
>> > > - The Kilby kit runs $200 and York compressor and clutch run $295
>> > (new)
>> > > from Kilby. If you use junkyard parts you'll get by cheaper so it
>> will
>> > > cost between $200-$500 not to mention an additional $150 for
>> > regulators,
>> > > manifold, hoses, pressure safety valve etc. And if you add 5-10 gal
>> > > reserve figure on adding at least another $50 to that. So now your
>> > > running between $400 and $700. These numbers come from some writeups
>> > at
>> > > reputable offroad sites and www.onboardair.com
>> > >
>> > > - The 10# Powertank runs $319.00 plus another 49.99 for the monting
>> > > bracket. Thats almost $370!
>> > >
>> > > The setup I purchased was from Vern Lewis Welding Supply. I got a
>> 10#
>> > > aluminum tank w/ valve for $75. I also bought a 100 psi fixed
>> pressure
>> > > CO2 regulator for $26.50 and the first fill was $11.06 ! Once I've
>> > > bought the first tank I can walk in any day and exchange my tank for
>> a
>> > > full one for only $11.06 Monday-Saturday. A vehicle mounting bracket
>> > > can be had for $35 at a fire ext supply house. Total cost with tax -
>> > > $120.66 ! A vehicle fire ext mounting bracket can be had for $35. I
>> > > still need to pick one up today or tomorrow.
>> > >
>> > > Did I mention that the regulator is already threaded 1/4" NPT? All
>> you
>> > > have to do is screw in your airline or coupler and your set!
>> > >
>> > > They are great to deal with and answered all of my questions. If you
>> > > live on the westside they are off Dysart Rd a couple miles south of
>> > > I-10. In Phoenix they are located at 275 S Black Canyon Highway.
>> > >
>> > > Happy airing up to all of you!
>> > >
>> > > Scott
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ---------------------------------
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>> >
>> > =====
>> > Mike Baney
>> > 2001 TJ
>> >
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>>
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24257 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:14am
Subject: [TR] Sunday May 27th Flagstaff area
Anyone interested in getting out of the heat or checking out some
trails in the Flagstaff area? I am going to play on several trails
this Sunday, hopefully finish the trail north of Schultz pass that
was covered in snow almost 2 months ago, check out the area north of
lower Lake Mary, and go play in the Cinder Pits to wrap things up.
Any takers? We could all meet at my apartment, I know there is
plenty of parking right across the street in the Sierra Club's
parking lot... If you would want to camp, I know several cool spots
as well. Anyways, let me know if you would be interested.
Chris M
87 YJ
24258 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:15am
Subject: RE: The NEW Snorkel kit
It's mounted on the bottom of the hood in the center.
-----Original Message-----
From: KC B [mailto:kcbemail@h...]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:05 AM
To: sthomas@a...; templar1@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] The NEW Snorkel kit
No, where is it? I see a second battery, but not a compressor.
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24259 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:15am
Subject: RE: Re: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
I have popped my 35x15.5 tsl/sx 3 times on the trail and have reseated them
all three times using my on board York compressor with air tank and PSI set
at 110.
-----Original Message-----
From: msa12171@a... [mailto:msa12171@a...]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:06 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
Setting a bead isn't that difficult. We had to set a 36x12.5" TSL/SX
on an 8 " rim a while ago. Get a racheting tie down and wrap it
around the tire circumference. One that is around, you should be
able to get the air pressure to set it. All you need to do is get
the tire to touch the rim enough to seal and build the pressure.
Then it seats on its own under pressure. I'll be the guinea pig!
Mike Anderson
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24260 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:25am
Subject: RE: The NEW Snorkel kit
I see it! it is mounted ON the hood between the hinges. cool spot. I would
have to see it live before I made a decision to mount mine there. The Hood
may amplify the noise. That I would not like especially if I was to run
ARB's.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: KC B [mailto:kcbemail@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:05 AM
> To: sthomas@a...; templar1@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] The NEW Snorkel kit
>
>
> No, where is it? I see a second battery, but not a compressor.
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24261 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:35am
Subject: Re: Re: Extending Brake lines
There are also bleeder valves with check valves in them. They're
generically called "speed bleeders". Check the following URLs:
http://www.russellperformance.com
http://www.speedbleeder.com
-Roger
Damon Gentile wrote:
>
> Best dohickey : I spent $5 at napa for a hose with a check
> valve in the hose. Place the hose over the bleed screw,
> open the screw, step,release,repeat, then close the
> screw and remove the hose. Much easier than trying to
> holler to one another during the process :)
>
> -d
24262 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:37am
Subject: RE: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
No, the 100 psi CO2 regulator does not have a gauge nor would one be helpful. Liquid CO2 maintains a fairly equal pressure inside the tank up to even the last drop of liquid. When that is gone only seconds of use are left before the pressure drops off so a gauge would be useless until those last couple of seconds. Going by weight is much more effective.
Scott
Mike Baney wrote:
Stu already confirmed that I get PSI and CFM confused! ;)
Air tools should run at approx 90 PSI correct? You have the 100# reg,
does it have a gauge? If it does, do you really need the gauge? Just
something I am curious about. Well besides to tell when you are out, but
the wait of the tank is noticeable when you are running low.
--- Scott Kruize wrote:
>
>
> Hey Stu,
> When you come over Saturday lets pop the bead off the rim on one of your
> tires so we can test this out ;)
> Stu has some interesting points. The CO2 regulator I purchased is
> designed for running air tools and tire fillups with CO2. If you use a
> regular regulator you will not get the flow that the CO2 regulators
> provide. At least thats what the printed materials that came with the
> regulator state. C'mon Stu, be the guniea pig.
> Scott
> Stu Olson wrote:
> I could be completely wrong, so see if I am correct on this. I was
> always
> under the impression that seating a tire bead requires one to deliver a
> high
> volume of air (at pressure) to quickly expand the tire and get the bead
> to
> seat. I have seen these "tire seaters" in the catalogs designed just for
> this....they dump a huge quantity of air in a second or two.
>
> So....you have a CO2 tank with a regulator. One being 100# and the other
> being 150#. Given the tank and supply hose being common, would not the
> only
> difference be the max pressure that is delivered by the regulator. I was
> not under the impression that a 150# regulator also supplied a higher
> flow
> rate (unless it is a high flow regulator?).
>
> Maybe I am completely off track here, but it seems like little would be
> gained other than the max pressure....and the tires we use can't handle
> the
> max from either regulator.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:03 PM
> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
>
>
> I did think of that after I bought it, I have been thinking of a way to
> make QD for the regulators, 100 for the air tools, and the 150 for
> tires.
> Kind of have best of both worlds. I think putting a bead back on would
> be
> easier with the 150, but I have not *yet* had to do it.
>
>
> --- Scott Kruize wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > The 150 psi spring is good for tires but beyond the spec of air tools.
> > Thats why I went with the 100 psi. These regulators are so cheap that
> > you could carry one of each.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > Mike Baney wrote:
> > I have about the same set up as Scott, I went with a 150 lbs spring
> > though. I got my 50 ft. coil hose at Home Depot, 200psi rating for
> > $8.00,
> > it was cheaper than the 25 ft.! Go figure! I did a quick disonnect on
> > each end too, might come in useful.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Scott Kruize wrote:
> > >
> > > I finally did it! I've now got an onboard CO2 setup. Having used
> both
> > a
> > > Kilby/York setup and an onboard CO2 setup recently on a couple of
> > fellow
> > > Jeepers rigs I decided to go with the CO2. I found that all things
> are
> > > fairly equal until you use up your reserve capacity on the
> Kilby/York
> > > setup (whether that is a small tank or bumper capacity) the CO2 will
> > > then run circles around the onboard York setup on the remaining 3
> > tires.
> > > Also by the time you mount extra reserve tanks for the onboard air
> you
> > > are taking up as much if not more space than the 10# tank. The CO2
> is
> > > the better choice for reseating a bead on the trail. It is also a
> > better
> > > choice for running airtools IMO since it is portable, and does not
> > > depend on running the vehicle to provide pressure, and provides that
> > > pressure consistently without the need to wait for the onboard tanks
> > to
> > > fill before being able to run the tools again. I know there are
> > debates
> > > on the heat expansion characteristics of CO2 vs compressed air but
> in
> > > most of the forums I've frequented it seems to be a non issue for
> Jeep
> > > use. Most of us are not running our tires at 100 mph :)
> > >
> > > Here are some price breakdowns that I researched including what I
> > > finally purchased.
> > >
> > > - The Kilby kit runs $200 and York compressor and clutch run $295
> > (new)
> > > from Kilby. If you use junkyard parts you'll get by cheaper so it
> will
> > > cost between $200-$500 not to mention an additional $150 for
> > regulators,
> > > manifold, hoses, pressure safety valve etc. And if you add 5-10 gal
> > > reserve figure on adding at least another $50 to that. So now your
> > > running between $400 and $700. These numbers come from some writeups
> > at
> > > reputable offroad sites and www.onboardair.com
> > >
> > > - The 10# Powertank runs $319.00 plus another 49.99 for the monting
> > > bracket. Thats almost $370!
> > >
> > > The setup I purchased was from Vern Lewis Welding Supply. I got a
> 10#
> > > aluminum tank w/ valve for $75. I also bought a 100 psi fixed
> pressure
> > > CO2 regulator for $26.50 and the first fill was $11.06 ! Once I've
> > > bought the first tank I can walk in any day and exchange my tank for
> a
> > > full one for only $11.06 Monday-Saturday. A vehicle mounting bracket
> > > can be had for $35 at a fire ext supply house. Total cost with tax -
> > > $120.66 ! A vehicle fire ext mounting bracket can be had for $35. I
> > > still need to pick one up today or tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Did I mention that the regulator is already threaded 1/4" NPT? All
> you
> > > have to do is screw in your airline or coupler and your set!
> > >
> > > They are great to deal with and answered all of my questions. If you
> > > live on the westside they are off Dysart Rd a couple miles south of
> > > I-10. In Phoenix they are located at 275 S Black Canyon Highway.
> > >
> > > Happy airing up to all of you!
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Auctions $2 Million Sweepstakes - Got something to sell?
> >
> >
> > =====
> > Mike Baney
> > 2001 TJ
> >
> > __________________________________________________
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
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>
>
> =====
> Mike Baney
> 2001 TJ
>
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24263 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:35am
Subject: Re: Re: Extending Brake lines
I've got the speedbleeders on the YJ, ($30? for 4)
but had much better luck with the check valve in the tube
approach on the YJ. Heck, it's already a tube that's the
right size for bleed screws :)
Roger Tomas wrote:
>
> There are also bleeder valves with check valves in them. They're
> generically called "speed bleeders". Check the following URLs:
>
> http://www.russellperformance.com
> http://www.speedbleeder.com
>
> -Roger
>
> Damon Gentile wrote:
> >
> > Best dohickey : I spent $5 at napa for a hose with a check
> > valve in the hose. Place the hose over the bleed screw,
> > open the screw, step,release,repeat, then close the
> > screw and remove the hose. Much easier than trying to
> > holler to one another during the process :)
> >
> > -d
24264 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:40am
Subject: RE: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!) UPDATE
I purchased a vehicle mounting bracket from Roadrunner Fire and Safety Equipment this morning for $38. They are located at 5432 W Missouri. This brings the cost up to just under $160. Very reasonable IMO.
Now I just need to mount it to either the fenderwell in back or use a houple large hose clamps to mount it to the cage.
Scott
fmw@qwest.net wrote:
On a CO2 tank, you can't use a guage to tell you when you are running low on
CO2.. The CO2 in the tank is liquid, and except for temperture variations,
the pressure in the tank will remain constant until it's essentially empty..
You have to weigh the tank.
:)
Fred
At 09:05 AM 05/24/2001 -0700, Mike Baney wrote:
>Stu already confirmed that I get PSI and CFM confused! ;)
>
>Air tools should run at approx 90 PSI correct? You have the 100# reg,
>does it have a gauge? If it does, do you really need the gauge? Just
>something I am curious about. Well besides to tell when you are out, but
>the wait of the tank is noticeable when you are running low.
>
>--- Scott Kruize wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey Stu,
>> When you come over Saturday lets pop the bead off the rim on one of your
>> tires so we can test this out ;)
>> Stu has some interesting points. The CO2 regulator I purchased is
>> designed for running air tools and tire fillups with CO2. If you use a
>> regular regulator you will not get the flow that the CO2 regulators
>> provide. At least thats what the printed materials that came with the
>> regulator state. C'mon Stu, be the guniea pig.
>> Scott
>> Stu Olson wrote:
>> I could be completely wrong, so see if I am correct on this. I was
>> always
>> under the impression that seating a tire bead requires one to deliver a
>> high
>> volume of air (at pressure) to quickly expand the tire and get the bead
>> to
>> seat. I have seen these "tire seaters" in the catalogs designed just for
>> this....they dump a huge quantity of air in a second or two.
>>
>> So....you have a CO2 tank with a regulator. One being 100# and the other
>> being 150#. Given the tank and supply hose being common, would not the
>> only
>> difference be the max pressure that is delivered by the regulator. I was
>> not under the impression that a 150# regulator also supplied a higher
>> flow
>> rate (unless it is a high flow regulator?).
>>
>> Maybe I am completely off track here, but it seems like little would be
>> gained other than the max pressure....and the tires we use can't handle
>> the
>> max from either regulator.
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:03 PM
>> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
>>
>>
>> I did think of that after I bought it, I have been thinking of a way to
>> make QD for the regulators, 100 for the air tools, and the 150 for
>> tires.
>> Kind of have best of both worlds. I think putting a bead back on would
>> be
>> easier with the 150, but I have not *yet* had to do it.
>>
>>
>> --- Scott Kruize wrote:
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > The 150 psi spring is good for tires but beyond the spec of air tools.
>> > Thats why I went with the 100 psi. These regulators are so cheap that
>> > you could carry one of each.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike Baney wrote:
>> > I have about the same set up as Scott, I went with a 150 lbs spring
>> > though. I got my 50 ft. coil hose at Home Depot, 200psi rating for
>> > $8.00,
>> > it was cheaper than the 25 ft.! Go figure! I did a quick disonnect on
>> > each end too, might come in useful.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Scott Kruize wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I finally did it! I've now got an onboard CO2 setup. Having used
>> both
>> > a
>> > > Kilby/York setup and an onboard CO2 setup recently on a couple of
>> > fellow
>> > > Jeepers rigs I decided to go with the CO2. I found that all things
>> are
>> > > fairly equal until you use up your reserve capacity on the
>> Kilby/York
>> > > setup (whether that is a small tank or bumper capacity) the CO2 will
>> > > then run circles around the onboard York setup on the remaining 3
>> > tires.
>> > > Also by the time you mount extra reserve tanks for the onboard air
>> you
>> > > are taking up as much if not more space than the 10# tank. The CO2
>> is
>> > > the better choice for reseating a bead on the trail. It is also a
>> > better
>> > > choice for running airtools IMO since it is portable, and does not
>> > > depend on running the vehicle to provide pressure, and provides that
>> > > pressure consistently without the need to wait for the onboard tanks
>> > to
>> > > fill before being able to run the tools again. I know there are
>> > debates
>> > > on the heat expansion characteristics of CO2 vs compressed air but
>> in
>> > > most of the forums I've frequented it seems to be a non issue for
>> Jeep
>> > > use. Most of us are not running our tires at 100 mph :)
>> > >
>> > > Here are some price breakdowns that I researched including what I
>> > > finally purchased.
>> > >
>> > > - The Kilby kit runs $200 and York compressor and clutch run $295
>> > (new)
>> > > from Kilby. If you use junkyard parts you'll get by cheaper so it
>> will
>> > > cost between $200-$500 not to mention an additional $150 for
>> > regulators,
>> > > manifold, hoses, pressure safety valve etc. And if you add 5-10 gal
>> > > reserve figure on adding at least another $50 to that. So now your
>> > > running between $400 and $700. These numbers come from some writeups
>> > at
>> > > reputable offroad sites and www.onboardair.com
>> > >
>> > > - The 10# Powertank runs $319.00 plus another 49.99 for the monting
>> > > bracket. Thats almost $370!
>> > >
>> > > The setup I purchased was from Vern Lewis Welding Supply. I got a
>> 10#
>> > > aluminum tank w/ valve for $75. I also bought a 100 psi fixed
>> pressure
>> > > CO2 regulator for $26.50 and the first fill was $11.06 ! Once I've
>> > > bought the first tank I can walk in any day and exchange my tank for
>> a
>> > > full one for only $11.06 Monday-Saturday. A vehicle mounting bracket
>> > > can be had for $35 at a fire ext supply house. Total cost with tax -
>> > > $120.66 ! A vehicle fire ext mounting bracket can be had for $35. I
>> > > still need to pick one up today or tomorrow.
>> > >
>> > > Did I mention that the regulator is already threaded 1/4" NPT? All
>> you
>> > > have to do is screw in your airline or coupler and your set!
>> > >
>> > > They are great to deal with and answered all of my questions. If you
>> > > live on the westside they are off Dysart Rd a couple miles south of
>> > > I-10. In Phoenix they are located at 275 S Black Canyon Highway.
>> > >
>> > > Happy airing up to all of you!
>> > >
>> > > Scott
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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24265 From: <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 11:05am
Subject: Re: The NEW Snorkel kit
When I was stationed in Panama, alot of the 'wheeling we did involved
crossing rivers. I never put a snorkle on my CJ-5, and several times
I had water splash up and over the hood, with water upto and over the
headlights. I had the 6cyl and the aircleaner inlet was pretty high
in the engine compartment. What we did to keep the water out of the
distributer was to use a little dielectrical grease. We'd put the
grease on the inside of the distributor cap where it seals against
the distributor and in each of the spark plug boots (both distributor
and sparkplug sides). Finally we'd grab a can of hairspray and spray
the sparkplug wires and distributor cap.
While the streams we crossed may not have been 5 foot deep, they were
deep enough to come in the sides if you didn't have your doors on.
And when pushing through that much water, the front of your Jeep gets
pretty soaked, as the water is pushed by your front end. I did find
out in a stagnant waterhole that Jeeps do indeed float, maybe not for
very long, but they do float.
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "KC B" <kcbemail@h...> wrote:
> The hot air part I understand, but I can't believe that you could
submerge
> your distributor and keep running. In the old days (WWII) they
would pack
> Cosmoline grease around the distributor and bury the spark plugs in
it as
> well. The M38's were water-proof from the factory, but I don't
believe any
> of the CJ's, YJ's, or TJ's were or are.
>
> Is there anyone out there who actually fords 5-foot-deep streams?
How do
> you do it?
>
> Ken
> '97 hi-n-dry TJ
24266 From: <azyoyo7@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:30am
Subject: Super Swampers
HI,
I am looking to purcahse a set of the Super Swampers TSL/SX 36/12.50x15. Any
advice on who in the valley has the best price?
Thanks,
David
95YJ
24267 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 0:18pm
Subject: Re: Super Swampers
If you don't buy 5 new ones I have some good spares, but they are
36x12.5x15 tsl's the originals not radial not sx not .
I am in Tucson.
Sinan
--- In az_vjc@y..., azyoyo7@a... wrote:
> HI,
> I am looking to purcahse a set of the Super Swampers TSL/SX
36/12.50x15. Any
> advice on who in the valley has the best price?
>
> Thanks,
> David
> 95YJ
24268 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 1:13pm
Subject: Re: Super Swampers
You can get them through Discount Tire. They're usually pretty competitive
on price.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <azyoyo7@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Super Swampers
> HI,
> I am looking to purcahse a set of the Super Swampers TSL/SX 36/12.50x15.
Any
> advice on who in the valley has the best price?
>
> Thanks,
> David
> 95YJ
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
24269 From: <fmw@q...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 1:27pm
Subject: Re: Super Swampers
Just recently, here in Tucson, Desert Rat was the least expensive, including
Discount Tire.. Discount Tire said that they just by 'em from Desert Rat.
Fred
At 01:13 PM 05/24/2001 -0700, DougB wrote:
>You can get them through Discount Tire. They're usually pretty competitive
>on price.
>
>Doug
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <azyoyo7@a...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:30 AM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Super Swampers
>
>
>> HI,
>> I am looking to purcahse a set of the Super Swampers TSL/SX 36/12.50x15.
>Any
>> advice on who in the valley has the best price?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> 95YJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
24270 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 1:32pm
Subject: RE: Looking for a TJ rear Driveshaft
Thanks for the offer Joe,
I went down to Dick's today and they made me a shaft. They were really good
to me. On the phone they had said, $140. I got down there and talked to them
and they got it finished, I asked for a discount, the one guy said what did
they tell you on the phone, I sort of hesitated and said, $140. He said,
okay $110, I pulled out two $100 bills and he said okay $100, then he said,
go get yourself some beer.
So it is all fixed now, thanks again.
--James
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:29 AM
>To: 'James Towle'
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Looking for a TJ rear Driveshaft
>
>
>James,
>
>My rear driveshaft is 11 3/4"... just a wee bit short of what you need.
>Have you found one yet? If not, you may be able to make this one work if
>you don't
>take it offroad and use up the slip yoke margin. The Dana 35
>doesn't make a
>difference.
>
>Let me know.
>
>Joe
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:45 AM
>> To: arizonajeep@h...
>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Looking for a TJ rear Driveshaft
>>
>>
>> It is a 9.5" tube and 13-3/8" center to center on the
>> u-joints. Also I have
>> a D35c I don't know if that makes a difference.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --James
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
>> >Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:31 AM
>> >To: 'James Towle'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Looking for a TJ rear Driveshaft
>> >
>> >
>> >James,
>> >
>> >I have one that you can use... but it came from a standard
>> TJ with D44. Do
>> >you know how long you need the driveshaft to be? I can go
>> out and measure
>> >mine and we can see if it will work.
>> >
>> >Joe West
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
>> >> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:20 AM
>> >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Subject: [az_vjc] Looking for a TJ rear Driveshaft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> After Saturday night's run I am looking to borrow a rear driveshaft
>> >> for a TJ with an automatic. I promise not to go off
>> roading with it.
>> >> Mine got a bit bent out of shape and I have no way to get
>> it down to
>> >> get it fixed without the use of my Jeep. I live in
>> Chandler, so east
>> >> valley would help.
>> >> TIA
>> >>
>> >> --James
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
24271 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 2:12pm
Subject: Re: Super Swampers
Try www.toyboxoffroad.com. Let them know your in the club. They are
(I believe) the only Interco dealer in Arizona. They will get the
best price possible for you. And they are local, club members!
Mike
24272 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 2:30pm
Subject: Stock D44
Look for a stock D44 front cover. Does anyone on the east side have one they
want to part with?
Regards
Randy Siade
Engineering Manager
Unisys Unigen Operations
6161 W. Erie Street
Chandler, AZ 85226
Phone 480 783-5911
Fax 480 783-5960
Cell 602-329-0699
randy.siade@u...
24273 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 2:30pm
Subject: Re: CO2
Just weighing in here on the CO2 issue. I have a PowerTank with dual regulators. The pressure of the CO2 at the tank is about 1800#. Since the CO2 is in liquid state thew pressure at the tank remains relatively consistent throughout the life of the CO2 fill. So, a gauge is pretty useless for telling you how much CO2 is left. One of the good things about CO2 is that is delivers relatively constant pressure out the hose throughout the life of the fill. The only way to really know you are out is to weigh the tank before the first fill and then again after the first fill. The difference will probably be slightly less than 10# - or at least it was in my case. The tank with gauges and handle but no CO2 weighed in at 17.5 lbs when I got it. I weigh it after every fill and usually after every use. Full it is 27# even - almost every time (it depends on how good the filler is). I have aired up with the secondary regulator set at 180# (max) and again at 100# and there is no noticeable difference - it takes about 45 seconds per tire to go from 10# to 25# on 35x12.50. That would seem to bear out what Stu has been saying. I suspect that there is little value in the second regulator.
Anyhow, CO2 rules. I have used it to power an impact wrench with a tire change and fell in love with it. I also get out of the parking lot sooner than most after a run.
Thunderbird Cylinders at 42nd and University in Tempe fills the tanks for $8.50 plus tax.
Jon
At 04:54 PM 5/24/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Baney
Subject: RE: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
Stu already confirmed that I get PSI and CFM confused! ;)
Air tools should run at approx 90 PSI correct? You have the 100# reg,
does it have a gauge? If it does, do you really need the gauge? Just
something I am curious about. Well besides to tell when you are out, but
the wait of the tank is noticeable when you are running low.
--- Scott Kruize wrote:
24274 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 3:35pm
Subject: Re: Super Swampers
Http://www.toyboxoffroad.com of course!!! <grin>
But I'm not partial or anything! <big grin>
--
----------------------------
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http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
24275 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 4:02pm
Subject: Re: CO2
Jon,
After that last time I used your CO2 setup my decision was made. Thanks for the help :)
Scott
Jon Loveless wrote:
Just weighing in here on the CO2 issue. I have a PowerTank with dual regulators. The pressure of the CO2 at the tank is about 1800#. Since the CO2 is in liquid state thew pressure at the tank remains relatively consistent throughout the life of the CO2 fill. So, a gauge is pretty useless for telling you how much CO2 is left. One of the good things about CO2 is that is delivers relatively constant pressure out the hose throughout the life of the fill. The only way to really know you are out is to weigh the tank before the first fill and then again after the first fill. The difference will probably be slightly less than 10# - or at least it was in my case. The tank with gauges and handle but no CO2 weighed in at 17.5 lbs when I got it. I weigh it after every fill and usually after every use. Full it is 27# even - almost every time (it depends on how good the filler is). I have aired up with the secondary regulator set at 180# (max) and again at 100# and there is no noticeable difference - it takes about 45 seconds per tire to go from 10# to 25# on 35x12.50. That would seem to bear out what Stu has been saying. I suspect that there is little value in the second regulator.
Anyhow, CO2 rules. I have used it to power an impact wrench with a tire change and fell in love with it. I also get out of the parking lot sooner than most after a run.
Thunderbird Cylinders at 42nd and University in Tempe fills the tanks for $8.50 plus tax.
Jon
At 04:54 PM 5/24/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Baney
Subject: RE: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
Stu already confirmed that I get PSI and CFM confused! ;)
Air tools should run at approx 90 PSI correct? You have the 100# reg,
does it have a gauge? If it does, do you really need the gauge? Just
something I am curious about. Well besides to tell when you are out, but
the wait of the tank is noticeable when you are running low.
--- Scott Kruize wrote:
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24276 From: Mr Ed <mred@m...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 4:08pm
Subject:
Ford Rough
Wednesday, May 23, 2001
By Jonathan Serrie
Email this Article
SEATTLE — For decades, Ford trucks have been carrying the load in rural America. But now the automaker's recent commitment to "Earth-friendly" organizations is planting some seeds of discontent.
The once-thriving logging communities of Western Montana's Flathead Valley are struggling to survive, largely because of stringent environmental regulations enacted during the Clinton years.
That's why the Ford drivers in the valley are upset over the company's $5 million grant in February to the National Audubon Society.
"I do not understand why Ford has decided to give money to groups that attack their customer base," says Bruce Vincent, a fourth-generation logger in the Flathead Valley. "We're the folks who buy a lot of their pickups."
In a written statement, Sandra Ulsh, vice president of the Ford Motor Company Fund, said, "Ford's support of Audubon is limited to specifically funding environmental education and bird monitoring projects."
But money is money, the protesters insist, and they say thousands of rural jobs have been eliminated by Audubon's support for declaring vast stretches of public land off-limits to logging and road-building.
"People who drive Fords don't like the fact that the company they buy from gives money to environmental organizations that they perceive to be the enemy," said Jim Petersen, editor of Evergreen Magazine.
"Why would [Ford] see fit to contribute to a group that is dependent on a conflict that costs us?" Vincent asked.
That question has prompted angry calls for economic sanctions.
"If you really want a Ford, buy a used one," urges John Stokes, owner of KGEZ-AM in Kalispell, Mont. "That way, no money goes to Dearborn, Michigan."
Stokes said his radio station has received calls and e-mails from hundreds of listeners upset over Ford's environmental contributions.
The station's Web site, KGEZ.com, has posted the names of local businesses supporting environmental groups.
Some environmentalists call this "corporate blacklist" unfair, but Stokes says turnabout is fair play; he argues that environmental groups have used the same tactics for years.
For now, calls for actual boycotts are limited and loosely organized. But if this grassroots backlash gains momentum, more companies may find it's not easy being green.
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24277 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 4:29pm
Subject: Jeep survival kit
I think everyone could add a few items as they read this and re-post
it, I think it would cover the bases for what we should keep in our
Jeeps when Jeepin'.
Fire extinguisher ABC rated
At least a gallon of drinking water
Full set of sockets and wrenches
Big Fawkin' Hammer
Bailing wire
Flashlight
Air compressor or CO2 tank
MRE's
First aid kit
Jacket or space blanket
Anyone else got anything to add?
Chris M
87 YJ
24253 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 9:59am
Subject: My beef w/ Discount
Greetings all,
After replacing everything except the disk drives my computer is up
and running again. I am sure all of you miss my technical questions
about engine swaps and such, ha-ha-ha... I must post about a bad
experience with Discount Tire here in Flagstaff that could have cost
me my Jeep, serious injury, or worse. I had a 33 BFG MT road hazard
repaired on the front left of my Jeep last Thursday before I went to
Las Vegas. I parked the Jeep over the weekend, and decided to go
camping Monday night. The original plan was to drive to Sedona, but
on my way down 89A I decided to stop about 15 minutes south of town
at a spot I was familiar with. Driving back the next morning I
noticed a bit of noise, almost like bearing noise, about a mile from
my apartment so I drove the rest of the way home to check it out.
Guess what? There were only 4 lug nuts on my Jeep, one broken stud,
and the remaining four were halfway loosened and the lug studs were
stretched and chafed to about half of their original thickness. I am
almost positive if I drove all the way into Sedona along 89A I would
have had a major incident involving a front tire falling off. Anyone
familiar with 89A and all of the steep grades and switchbacks knows
this would have been a bad deal. I replaced the wheel studs and
drove immediately to Discount and asked for some answers. At first
they told me it was my responsibility to torque the lug nuts after a
week, but when i produced the broken and stretched out lug stud from
my pocket the manager changed his tone a bit. He apologized for his
tech not tightening the lug nuts properly, and offered me a discount
on my next purchase from them. Is there anything to be learned from
this? Double-check or supervise all of the work done on your Jeep!
Even something as simple as a flat repair could ruin your day...
Still venting,
Chris M
87 YJ turd brown
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24254 From: KC B <kcbemail@h...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:05am
Subject: RE: The NEW Snorkel kit
No, where is it? I see a second battery, but not a compressor.
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24255 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:06am
Subject: Re: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
Setting a bead isn't that difficult. We had to set a 36x12.5" TSL/SX
on an 8 " rim a while ago. Get a racheting tie down and wrap it
around the tire circumference. One that is around, you should be
able to get the air pressure to set it. All you need to do is get
the tire to touch the rim enough to seal and build the pressure.
Then it seats on its own under pressure. I'll be the guinea pig!
Mike Anderson
24256 From: <fmw@q...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:11am
Subject: RE: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
On a CO2 tank, you can't use a guage to tell you when you are running low on
CO2.. The CO2 in the tank is liquid, and except for temperture variations,
the pressure in the tank will remain constant until it's essentially empty..
You have to weigh the tank.
:)
Fred
At 09:05 AM 05/24/2001 -0700, Mike Baney wrote:
>Stu already confirmed that I get PSI and CFM confused! ;)
>
>Air tools should run at approx 90 PSI correct? You have the 100# reg,
>does it have a gauge? If it does, do you really need the gauge? Just
>something I am curious about. Well besides to tell when you are out, but
>the wait of the tank is noticeable when you are running low.
>
>--- Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey Stu,
>> When you come over Saturday lets pop the bead off the rim on one of your
>> tires so we can test this out ;)
>> Stu has some interesting points. The CO2 regulator I purchased is
>> designed for running air tools and tire fillups with CO2. If you use a
>> regular regulator you will not get the flow that the CO2 regulators
>> provide. At least thats what the printed materials that came with the
>> regulator state. C'mon Stu, be the guniea pig.
>> Scott
>> Stu Olson <solson8@q...> wrote:
>> I could be completely wrong, so see if I am correct on this. I was
>> always
>> under the impression that seating a tire bead requires one to deliver a
>> high
>> volume of air (at pressure) to quickly expand the tire and get the bead
>> to
>> seat. I have seen these "tire seaters" in the catalogs designed just for
>> this....they dump a huge quantity of air in a second or two.
>>
>> So....you have a CO2 tank with a regulator. One being 100# and the other
>> being 150#. Given the tank and supply hose being common, would not the
>> only
>> difference be the max pressure that is delivered by the regulator. I was
>> not under the impression that a 150# regulator also supplied a higher
>> flow
>> rate (unless it is a high flow regulator?).
>>
>> Maybe I am completely off track here, but it seems like little would be
>> gained other than the max pressure....and the tires we use can't handle
>> the
>> max from either regulator.
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@y...]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:03 PM
>> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
>>
>>
>> I did think of that after I bought it, I have been thinking of a way to
>> make QD for the regulators, 100 for the air tools, and the 150 for
>> tires.
>> Kind of have best of both worlds. I think putting a bead back on would
>> be
>> easier with the 150, but I have not *yet* had to do it.
>>
>>
>> --- Scott Kruize wrote:
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > The 150 psi spring is good for tires but beyond the spec of air tools.
>> > Thats why I went with the 100 psi. These regulators are so cheap that
>> > you could carry one of each.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike Baney wrote:
>> > I have about the same set up as Scott, I went with a 150 lbs spring
>> > though. I got my 50 ft. coil hose at Home Depot, 200psi rating for
>> > $8.00,
>> > it was cheaper than the 25 ft.! Go figure! I did a quick disonnect on
>> > each end too, might come in useful.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Scott Kruize wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I finally did it! I've now got an onboard CO2 setup. Having used
>> both
>> > a
>> > > Kilby/York setup and an onboard CO2 setup recently on a couple of
>> > fellow
>> > > Jeepers rigs I decided to go with the CO2. I found that all things
>> are
>> > > fairly equal until you use up your reserve capacity on the
>> Kilby/York
>> > > setup (whether that is a small tank or bumper capacity) the CO2 will
>> > > then run circles around the onboard York setup on the remaining 3
>> > tires.
>> > > Also by the time you mount extra reserve tanks for the onboard air
>> you
>> > > are taking up as much if not more space than the 10# tank. The CO2
>> is
>> > > the better choice for reseating a bead on the trail. It is also a
>> > better
>> > > choice for running airtools IMO since it is portable, and does not
>> > > depend on running the vehicle to provide pressure, and provides that
>> > > pressure consistently without the need to wait for the onboard tanks
>> > to
>> > > fill before being able to run the tools again. I know there are
>> > debates
>> > > on the heat expansion characteristics of CO2 vs compressed air but
>> in
>> > > most of the forums I've frequented it seems to be a non issue for
>> Jeep
>> > > use. Most of us are not running our tires at 100 mph :)
>> > >
>> > > Here are some price breakdowns that I researched including what I
>> > > finally purchased.
>> > >
>> > > - The Kilby kit runs $200 and York compressor and clutch run $295
>> > (new)
>> > > from Kilby. If you use junkyard parts you'll get by cheaper so it
>> will
>> > > cost between $200-$500 not to mention an additional $150 for
>> > regulators,
>> > > manifold, hoses, pressure safety valve etc. And if you add 5-10 gal
>> > > reserve figure on adding at least another $50 to that. So now your
>> > > running between $400 and $700. These numbers come from some writeups
>> > at
>> > > reputable offroad sites and www.onboardair.com
>> > >
>> > > - The 10# Powertank runs $319.00 plus another 49.99 for the monting
>> > > bracket. Thats almost $370!
>> > >
>> > > The setup I purchased was from Vern Lewis Welding Supply. I got a
>> 10#
>> > > aluminum tank w/ valve for $75. I also bought a 100 psi fixed
>> pressure
>> > > CO2 regulator for $26.50 and the first fill was $11.06 ! Once I've
>> > > bought the first tank I can walk in any day and exchange my tank for
>> a
>> > > full one for only $11.06 Monday-Saturday. A vehicle mounting bracket
>> > > can be had for $35 at a fire ext supply house. Total cost with tax -
>> > > $120.66 ! A vehicle fire ext mounting bracket can be had for $35. I
>> > > still need to pick one up today or tomorrow.
>> > >
>> > > Did I mention that the regulator is already threaded 1/4" NPT? All
>> you
>> > > have to do is screw in your airline or coupler and your set!
>> > >
>> > > They are great to deal with and answered all of my questions. If you
>> > > live on the westside they are off Dysart Rd a couple miles south of
>> > > I-10. In Phoenix they are located at 275 S Black Canyon Highway.
>> > >
>> > > Happy airing up to all of you!
>> > >
>> > > Scott
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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24257 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:14am
Subject: [TR] Sunday May 27th Flagstaff area
Anyone interested in getting out of the heat or checking out some
trails in the Flagstaff area? I am going to play on several trails
this Sunday, hopefully finish the trail north of Schultz pass that
was covered in snow almost 2 months ago, check out the area north of
lower Lake Mary, and go play in the Cinder Pits to wrap things up.
Any takers? We could all meet at my apartment, I know there is
plenty of parking right across the street in the Sierra Club's
parking lot... If you would want to camp, I know several cool spots
as well. Anyways, let me know if you would be interested.
Chris M
87 YJ
24258 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:15am
Subject: RE: The NEW Snorkel kit
It's mounted on the bottom of the hood in the center.
-----Original Message-----
From: KC B [mailto:kcbemail@h...]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:05 AM
To: sthomas@a...; templar1@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] The NEW Snorkel kit
No, where is it? I see a second battery, but not a compressor.
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24259 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:15am
Subject: RE: Re: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
I have popped my 35x15.5 tsl/sx 3 times on the trail and have reseated them
all three times using my on board York compressor with air tank and PSI set
at 110.
-----Original Message-----
From: msa12171@a... [mailto:msa12171@a...]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:06 AM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
Setting a bead isn't that difficult. We had to set a 36x12.5" TSL/SX
on an 8 " rim a while ago. Get a racheting tie down and wrap it
around the tire circumference. One that is around, you should be
able to get the air pressure to set it. All you need to do is get
the tire to touch the rim enough to seal and build the pressure.
Then it seats on its own under pressure. I'll be the guinea pig!
Mike Anderson
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24260 From: Joey K <joey@j...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:25am
Subject: RE: The NEW Snorkel kit
I see it! it is mounted ON the hood between the hinges. cool spot. I would
have to see it live before I made a decision to mount mine there. The Hood
may amplify the noise. That I would not like especially if I was to run
ARB's.
Joey K
93YJ
www.desertjeep.com
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> From: KC B [mailto:kcbemail@h...]
> Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 10:05 AM
> To: sthomas@a...; templar1@h...; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] The NEW Snorkel kit
>
>
> No, where is it? I see a second battery, but not a compressor.
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24261 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:35am
Subject: Re: Re: Extending Brake lines
There are also bleeder valves with check valves in them. They're
generically called "speed bleeders". Check the following URLs:
http://www.russellperformance.com
http://www.speedbleeder.com
-Roger
Damon Gentile wrote:
>
> Best dohickey : I spent $5 at napa for a hose with a check
> valve in the hose. Place the hose over the bleed screw,
> open the screw, step,release,repeat, then close the
> screw and remove the hose. Much easier than trying to
> holler to one another during the process :)
>
> -d
24262 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:37am
Subject: RE: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
No, the 100 psi CO2 regulator does not have a gauge nor would one be helpful. Liquid CO2 maintains a fairly equal pressure inside the tank up to even the last drop of liquid. When that is gone only seconds of use are left before the pressure drops off so a gauge would be useless until those last couple of seconds. Going by weight is much more effective.
Scott
Mike Baney wrote:
Stu already confirmed that I get PSI and CFM confused! ;)
Air tools should run at approx 90 PSI correct? You have the 100# reg,
does it have a gauge? If it does, do you really need the gauge? Just
something I am curious about. Well besides to tell when you are out, but
the wait of the tank is noticeable when you are running low.
--- Scott Kruize wrote:
>
>
> Hey Stu,
> When you come over Saturday lets pop the bead off the rim on one of your
> tires so we can test this out ;)
> Stu has some interesting points. The CO2 regulator I purchased is
> designed for running air tools and tire fillups with CO2. If you use a
> regular regulator you will not get the flow that the CO2 regulators
> provide. At least thats what the printed materials that came with the
> regulator state. C'mon Stu, be the guniea pig.
> Scott
> Stu Olson wrote:
> I could be completely wrong, so see if I am correct on this. I was
> always
> under the impression that seating a tire bead requires one to deliver a
> high
> volume of air (at pressure) to quickly expand the tire and get the bead
> to
> seat. I have seen these "tire seaters" in the catalogs designed just for
> this....they dump a huge quantity of air in a second or two.
>
> So....you have a CO2 tank with a regulator. One being 100# and the other
> being 150#. Given the tank and supply hose being common, would not the
> only
> difference be the max pressure that is delivered by the regulator. I was
> not under the impression that a 150# regulator also supplied a higher
> flow
> rate (unless it is a high flow regulator?).
>
> Maybe I am completely off track here, but it seems like little would be
> gained other than the max pressure....and the tires we use can't handle
> the
> max from either regulator.
>
> Stu
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:03 PM
> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
>
>
> I did think of that after I bought it, I have been thinking of a way to
> make QD for the regulators, 100 for the air tools, and the 150 for
> tires.
> Kind of have best of both worlds. I think putting a bead back on would
> be
> easier with the 150, but I have not *yet* had to do it.
>
>
> --- Scott Kruize wrote:
> >
> > Mike,
> >
> > The 150 psi spring is good for tires but beyond the spec of air tools.
> > Thats why I went with the 100 psi. These regulators are so cheap that
> > you could carry one of each.
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
> > Mike Baney wrote:
> > I have about the same set up as Scott, I went with a 150 lbs spring
> > though. I got my 50 ft. coil hose at Home Depot, 200psi rating for
> > $8.00,
> > it was cheaper than the 25 ft.! Go figure! I did a quick disonnect on
> > each end too, might come in useful.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Scott Kruize wrote:
> > >
> > > I finally did it! I've now got an onboard CO2 setup. Having used
> both
> > a
> > > Kilby/York setup and an onboard CO2 setup recently on a couple of
> > fellow
> > > Jeepers rigs I decided to go with the CO2. I found that all things
> are
> > > fairly equal until you use up your reserve capacity on the
> Kilby/York
> > > setup (whether that is a small tank or bumper capacity) the CO2 will
> > > then run circles around the onboard York setup on the remaining 3
> > tires.
> > > Also by the time you mount extra reserve tanks for the onboard air
> you
> > > are taking up as much if not more space than the 10# tank. The CO2
> is
> > > the better choice for reseating a bead on the trail. It is also a
> > better
> > > choice for running airtools IMO since it is portable, and does not
> > > depend on running the vehicle to provide pressure, and provides that
> > > pressure consistently without the need to wait for the onboard tanks
> > to
> > > fill before being able to run the tools again. I know there are
> > debates
> > > on the heat expansion characteristics of CO2 vs compressed air but
> in
> > > most of the forums I've frequented it seems to be a non issue for
> Jeep
> > > use. Most of us are not running our tires at 100 mph :)
> > >
> > > Here are some price breakdowns that I researched including what I
> > > finally purchased.
> > >
> > > - The Kilby kit runs $200 and York compressor and clutch run $295
> > (new)
> > > from Kilby. If you use junkyard parts you'll get by cheaper so it
> will
> > > cost between $200-$500 not to mention an additional $150 for
> > regulators,
> > > manifold, hoses, pressure safety valve etc. And if you add 5-10 gal
> > > reserve figure on adding at least another $50 to that. So now your
> > > running between $400 and $700. These numbers come from some writeups
> > at
> > > reputable offroad sites and www.onboardair.com
> > >
> > > - The 10# Powertank runs $319.00 plus another 49.99 for the monting
> > > bracket. Thats almost $370!
> > >
> > > The setup I purchased was from Vern Lewis Welding Supply. I got a
> 10#
> > > aluminum tank w/ valve for $75. I also bought a 100 psi fixed
> pressure
> > > CO2 regulator for $26.50 and the first fill was $11.06 ! Once I've
> > > bought the first tank I can walk in any day and exchange my tank for
> a
> > > full one for only $11.06 Monday-Saturday. A vehicle mounting bracket
> > > can be had for $35 at a fire ext supply house. Total cost with tax -
> > > $120.66 ! A vehicle fire ext mounting bracket can be had for $35. I
> > > still need to pick one up today or tomorrow.
> > >
> > > Did I mention that the regulator is already threaded 1/4" NPT? All
> you
> > > have to do is screw in your airline or coupler and your set!
> > >
> > > They are great to deal with and answered all of my questions. If you
> > > live on the westside they are off Dysart Rd a couple miles south of
> > > I-10. In Phoenix they are located at 275 S Black Canyon Highway.
> > >
> > > Happy airing up to all of you!
> > >
> > > Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
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> >
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> > 2001 TJ
> >
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24263 From: Damon Gentile <dgentile@s...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:35am
Subject: Re: Re: Extending Brake lines
I've got the speedbleeders on the YJ, ($30? for 4)
but had much better luck with the check valve in the tube
approach on the YJ. Heck, it's already a tube that's the
right size for bleed screws :)
Roger Tomas wrote:
>
> There are also bleeder valves with check valves in them. They're
> generically called "speed bleeders". Check the following URLs:
>
> http://www.russellperformance.com
> http://www.speedbleeder.com
>
> -Roger
>
> Damon Gentile wrote:
> >
> > Best dohickey : I spent $5 at napa for a hose with a check
> > valve in the hose. Place the hose over the bleed screw,
> > open the screw, step,release,repeat, then close the
> > screw and remove the hose. Much easier than trying to
> > holler to one another during the process :)
> >
> > -d
24264 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 10:40am
Subject: RE: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!) UPDATE
I purchased a vehicle mounting bracket from Roadrunner Fire and Safety Equipment this morning for $38. They are located at 5432 W Missouri. This brings the cost up to just under $160. Very reasonable IMO.
Now I just need to mount it to either the fenderwell in back or use a houple large hose clamps to mount it to the cage.
Scott
fmw@qwest.net wrote:
On a CO2 tank, you can't use a guage to tell you when you are running low on
CO2.. The CO2 in the tank is liquid, and except for temperture variations,
the pressure in the tank will remain constant until it's essentially empty..
You have to weigh the tank.
:)
Fred
At 09:05 AM 05/24/2001 -0700, Mike Baney wrote:
>Stu already confirmed that I get PSI and CFM confused! ;)
>
>Air tools should run at approx 90 PSI correct? You have the 100# reg,
>does it have a gauge? If it does, do you really need the gauge? Just
>something I am curious about. Well besides to tell when you are out, but
>the wait of the tank is noticeable when you are running low.
>
>--- Scott Kruize wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey Stu,
>> When you come over Saturday lets pop the bead off the rim on one of your
>> tires so we can test this out ;)
>> Stu has some interesting points. The CO2 regulator I purchased is
>> designed for running air tools and tire fillups with CO2. If you use a
>> regular regulator you will not get the flow that the CO2 regulators
>> provide. At least thats what the printed materials that came with the
>> regulator state. C'mon Stu, be the guniea pig.
>> Scott
>> Stu Olson wrote:
>> I could be completely wrong, so see if I am correct on this. I was
>> always
>> under the impression that seating a tire bead requires one to deliver a
>> high
>> volume of air (at pressure) to quickly expand the tire and get the bead
>> to
>> seat. I have seen these "tire seaters" in the catalogs designed just for
>> this....they dump a huge quantity of air in a second or two.
>>
>> So....you have a CO2 tank with a regulator. One being 100# and the other
>> being 150#. Given the tank and supply hose being common, would not the
>> only
>> difference be the max pressure that is delivered by the regulator. I was
>> not under the impression that a 150# regulator also supplied a higher
>> flow
>> rate (unless it is a high flow regulator?).
>>
>> Maybe I am completely off track here, but it seems like little would be
>> gained other than the max pressure....and the tires we use can't handle
>> the
>> max from either regulator.
>>
>> Stu
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Mike Baney [mailto:jeepin_in_az@yahoo.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2001 11:03 PM
>> To: Scott Kruize; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
>>
>>
>> I did think of that after I bought it, I have been thinking of a way to
>> make QD for the regulators, 100 for the air tools, and the 150 for
>> tires.
>> Kind of have best of both worlds. I think putting a bead back on would
>> be
>> easier with the 150, but I have not *yet* had to do it.
>>
>>
>> --- Scott Kruize wrote:
>> >
>> > Mike,
>> >
>> > The 150 psi spring is good for tires but beyond the spec of air tools.
>> > Thats why I went with the 100 psi. These regulators are so cheap that
>> > you could carry one of each.
>> >
>> > Scott
>> >
>> >
>> > Mike Baney wrote:
>> > I have about the same set up as Scott, I went with a 150 lbs spring
>> > though. I got my 50 ft. coil hose at Home Depot, 200psi rating for
>> > $8.00,
>> > it was cheaper than the 25 ft.! Go figure! I did a quick disonnect on
>> > each end too, might come in useful.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --- Scott Kruize wrote:
>> > >
>> > > I finally did it! I've now got an onboard CO2 setup. Having used
>> both
>> > a
>> > > Kilby/York setup and an onboard CO2 setup recently on a couple of
>> > fellow
>> > > Jeepers rigs I decided to go with the CO2. I found that all things
>> are
>> > > fairly equal until you use up your reserve capacity on the
>> Kilby/York
>> > > setup (whether that is a small tank or bumper capacity) the CO2 will
>> > > then run circles around the onboard York setup on the remaining 3
>> > tires.
>> > > Also by the time you mount extra reserve tanks for the onboard air
>> you
>> > > are taking up as much if not more space than the 10# tank. The CO2
>> is
>> > > the better choice for reseating a bead on the trail. It is also a
>> > better
>> > > choice for running airtools IMO since it is portable, and does not
>> > > depend on running the vehicle to provide pressure, and provides that
>> > > pressure consistently without the need to wait for the onboard tanks
>> > to
>> > > fill before being able to run the tools again. I know there are
>> > debates
>> > > on the heat expansion characteristics of CO2 vs compressed air but
>> in
>> > > most of the forums I've frequented it seems to be a non issue for
>> Jeep
>> > > use. Most of us are not running our tires at 100 mph :)
>> > >
>> > > Here are some price breakdowns that I researched including what I
>> > > finally purchased.
>> > >
>> > > - The Kilby kit runs $200 and York compressor and clutch run $295
>> > (new)
>> > > from Kilby. If you use junkyard parts you'll get by cheaper so it
>> will
>> > > cost between $200-$500 not to mention an additional $150 for
>> > regulators,
>> > > manifold, hoses, pressure safety valve etc. And if you add 5-10 gal
>> > > reserve figure on adding at least another $50 to that. So now your
>> > > running between $400 and $700. These numbers come from some writeups
>> > at
>> > > reputable offroad sites and www.onboardair.com
>> > >
>> > > - The 10# Powertank runs $319.00 plus another 49.99 for the monting
>> > > bracket. Thats almost $370!
>> > >
>> > > The setup I purchased was from Vern Lewis Welding Supply. I got a
>> 10#
>> > > aluminum tank w/ valve for $75. I also bought a 100 psi fixed
>> pressure
>> > > CO2 regulator for $26.50 and the first fill was $11.06 ! Once I've
>> > > bought the first tank I can walk in any day and exchange my tank for
>> a
>> > > full one for only $11.06 Monday-Saturday. A vehicle mounting bracket
>> > > can be had for $35 at a fire ext supply house. Total cost with tax -
>> > > $120.66 ! A vehicle fire ext mounting bracket can be had for $35. I
>> > > still need to pick one up today or tomorrow.
>> > >
>> > > Did I mention that the regulator is already threaded 1/4" NPT? All
>> you
>> > > have to do is screw in your airline or coupler and your set!
>> > >
>> > > They are great to deal with and answered all of my questions. If you
>> > > live on the westside they are off Dysart Rd a couple miles south of
>> > > I-10. In Phoenix they are located at 275 S Black Canyon Highway.
>> > >
>> > > Happy airing up to all of you!
>> > >
>> > > Scott
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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24265 From: <mike.chatfield@p...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 11:05am
Subject: Re: The NEW Snorkel kit
When I was stationed in Panama, alot of the 'wheeling we did involved
crossing rivers. I never put a snorkle on my CJ-5, and several times
I had water splash up and over the hood, with water upto and over the
headlights. I had the 6cyl and the aircleaner inlet was pretty high
in the engine compartment. What we did to keep the water out of the
distributer was to use a little dielectrical grease. We'd put the
grease on the inside of the distributor cap where it seals against
the distributor and in each of the spark plug boots (both distributor
and sparkplug sides). Finally we'd grab a can of hairspray and spray
the sparkplug wires and distributor cap.
While the streams we crossed may not have been 5 foot deep, they were
deep enough to come in the sides if you didn't have your doors on.
And when pushing through that much water, the front of your Jeep gets
pretty soaked, as the water is pushed by your front end. I did find
out in a stagnant waterhole that Jeeps do indeed float, maybe not for
very long, but they do float.
- Mike
--- In az_vjc@y..., "KC B" <kcbemail@h...> wrote:
> The hot air part I understand, but I can't believe that you could
submerge
> your distributor and keep running. In the old days (WWII) they
would pack
> Cosmoline grease around the distributor and bury the spark plugs in
it as
> well. The M38's were water-proof from the factory, but I don't
believe any
> of the CJ's, YJ's, or TJ's were or are.
>
> Is there anyone out there who actually fords 5-foot-deep streams?
How do
> you do it?
>
> Ken
> '97 hi-n-dry TJ
24266 From: <azyoyo7@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 7:30am
Subject: Super Swampers
HI,
I am looking to purcahse a set of the Super Swampers TSL/SX 36/12.50x15. Any
advice on who in the valley has the best price?
Thanks,
David
95YJ
24267 From: <sinanturel@y...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 0:18pm
Subject: Re: Super Swampers
If you don't buy 5 new ones I have some good spares, but they are
36x12.5x15 tsl's the originals not radial not sx not .
I am in Tucson.
Sinan
--- In az_vjc@y..., azyoyo7@a... wrote:
> HI,
> I am looking to purcahse a set of the Super Swampers TSL/SX
36/12.50x15. Any
> advice on who in the valley has the best price?
>
> Thanks,
> David
> 95YJ
24268 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 1:13pm
Subject: Re: Super Swampers
You can get them through Discount Tire. They're usually pretty competitive
on price.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <azyoyo7@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:30 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Super Swampers
> HI,
> I am looking to purcahse a set of the Super Swampers TSL/SX 36/12.50x15.
Any
> advice on who in the valley has the best price?
>
> Thanks,
> David
> 95YJ
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
24269 From: <fmw@q...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 1:27pm
Subject: Re: Super Swampers
Just recently, here in Tucson, Desert Rat was the least expensive, including
Discount Tire.. Discount Tire said that they just by 'em from Desert Rat.
Fred
At 01:13 PM 05/24/2001 -0700, DougB wrote:
>You can get them through Discount Tire. They're usually pretty competitive
>on price.
>
>Doug
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <azyoyo7@a...>
>To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2001 11:30 AM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Super Swampers
>
>
>> HI,
>> I am looking to purcahse a set of the Super Swampers TSL/SX 36/12.50x15.
>Any
>> advice on who in the valley has the best price?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> David
>> 95YJ
>>
>>
>>
>> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
>
>
24270 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 1:32pm
Subject: RE: Looking for a TJ rear Driveshaft
Thanks for the offer Joe,
I went down to Dick's today and they made me a shaft. They were really good
to me. On the phone they had said, $140. I got down there and talked to them
and they got it finished, I asked for a discount, the one guy said what did
they tell you on the phone, I sort of hesitated and said, $140. He said,
okay $110, I pulled out two $100 bills and he said okay $100, then he said,
go get yourself some beer.
So it is all fixed now, thanks again.
--James
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
>Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:29 AM
>To: 'James Towle'
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Looking for a TJ rear Driveshaft
>
>
>James,
>
>My rear driveshaft is 11 3/4"... just a wee bit short of what you need.
>Have you found one yet? If not, you may be able to make this one work if
>you don't
>take it offroad and use up the slip yoke margin. The Dana 35
>doesn't make a
>difference.
>
>Let me know.
>
>Joe
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:45 AM
>> To: arizonajeep@h...
>> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Looking for a TJ rear Driveshaft
>>
>>
>> It is a 9.5" tube and 13-3/8" center to center on the
>> u-joints. Also I have
>> a D35c I don't know if that makes a difference.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --James
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Joe W [mailto:arizonajeep@h...]
>> >Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:31 AM
>> >To: 'James Towle'; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> >Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Looking for a TJ rear Driveshaft
>> >
>> >
>> >James,
>> >
>> >I have one that you can use... but it came from a standard
>> TJ with D44. Do
>> >you know how long you need the driveshaft to be? I can go
>> out and measure
>> >mine and we can see if it will work.
>> >
>> >Joe West
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: James Towle [mailto:James.Towle@a...]
>> >> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 9:20 AM
>> >> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Subject: [az_vjc] Looking for a TJ rear Driveshaft
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> After Saturday night's run I am looking to borrow a rear driveshaft
>> >> for a TJ with an automatic. I promise not to go off
>> roading with it.
>> >> Mine got a bit bent out of shape and I have no way to get
>> it down to
>> >> get it fixed without the use of my Jeep. I live in
>> Chandler, so east
>> >> valley would help.
>> >> TIA
>> >>
>> >> --James
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
>> >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>
24271 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 2:12pm
Subject: Re: Super Swampers
Try www.toyboxoffroad.com. Let them know your in the club. They are
(I believe) the only Interco dealer in Arizona. They will get the
best price possible for you. And they are local, club members!
Mike
24272 From: Siade, Randy <randy.siade@u...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 2:30pm
Subject: Stock D44
Look for a stock D44 front cover. Does anyone on the east side have one they
want to part with?
Regards
Randy Siade
Engineering Manager
Unisys Unigen Operations
6161 W. Erie Street
Chandler, AZ 85226
Phone 480 783-5911
Fax 480 783-5960
Cell 602-329-0699
randy.siade@u...
24273 From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 2:30pm
Subject: Re: CO2
Just weighing in here on the CO2 issue. I have a PowerTank with dual regulators. The pressure of the CO2 at the tank is about 1800#. Since the CO2 is in liquid state thew pressure at the tank remains relatively consistent throughout the life of the CO2 fill. So, a gauge is pretty useless for telling you how much CO2 is left. One of the good things about CO2 is that is delivers relatively constant pressure out the hose throughout the life of the fill. The only way to really know you are out is to weigh the tank before the first fill and then again after the first fill. The difference will probably be slightly less than 10# - or at least it was in my case. The tank with gauges and handle but no CO2 weighed in at 17.5 lbs when I got it. I weigh it after every fill and usually after every use. Full it is 27# even - almost every time (it depends on how good the filler is). I have aired up with the secondary regulator set at 180# (max) and again at 100# and there is no noticeable difference - it takes about 45 seconds per tire to go from 10# to 25# on 35x12.50. That would seem to bear out what Stu has been saying. I suspect that there is little value in the second regulator.
Anyhow, CO2 rules. I have used it to power an impact wrench with a tire change and fell in love with it. I also get out of the parking lot sooner than most after a run.
Thunderbird Cylinders at 42nd and University in Tempe fills the tanks for $8.50 plus tax.
Jon
At 04:54 PM 5/24/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Baney
Subject: RE: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
Stu already confirmed that I get PSI and CFM confused! ;)
Air tools should run at approx 90 PSI correct? You have the 100# reg,
does it have a gauge? If it does, do you really need the gauge? Just
something I am curious about. Well besides to tell when you are out, but
the wait of the tank is noticeable when you are running low.
--- Scott Kruize wrote:
24274 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 3:35pm
Subject: Re: Super Swampers
Http://www.toyboxoffroad.com of course!!! <grin>
But I'm not partial or anything! <big grin>
--
----------------------------
Jay Eller (http://www.goodnet.com/~eller)
http://www.toyboxoffroad.com
24275 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 4:02pm
Subject: Re: CO2
Jon,
After that last time I used your CO2 setup my decision was made. Thanks for the help :)
Scott
Jon Loveless wrote:
Just weighing in here on the CO2 issue. I have a PowerTank with dual regulators. The pressure of the CO2 at the tank is about 1800#. Since the CO2 is in liquid state thew pressure at the tank remains relatively consistent throughout the life of the CO2 fill. So, a gauge is pretty useless for telling you how much CO2 is left. One of the good things about CO2 is that is delivers relatively constant pressure out the hose throughout the life of the fill. The only way to really know you are out is to weigh the tank before the first fill and then again after the first fill. The difference will probably be slightly less than 10# - or at least it was in my case. The tank with gauges and handle but no CO2 weighed in at 17.5 lbs when I got it. I weigh it after every fill and usually after every use. Full it is 27# even - almost every time (it depends on how good the filler is). I have aired up with the secondary regulator set at 180# (max) and again at 100# and there is no noticeable difference - it takes about 45 seconds per tire to go from 10# to 25# on 35x12.50. That would seem to bear out what Stu has been saying. I suspect that there is little value in the second regulator.
Anyhow, CO2 rules. I have used it to power an impact wrench with a tire change and fell in love with it. I also get out of the parking lot sooner than most after a run.
Thunderbird Cylinders at 42nd and University in Tempe fills the tanks for $8.50 plus tax.
Jon
At 04:54 PM 5/24/2001 +0000, you wrote:
Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 09:05:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Mike Baney
Subject: RE: $120 10# CO2 setup (including first fill!)
Stu already confirmed that I get PSI and CFM confused! ;)
Air tools should run at approx 90 PSI correct? You have the 100# reg,
does it have a gauge? If it does, do you really need the gauge? Just
something I am curious about. Well besides to tell when you are out, but
the wait of the tank is noticeable when you are running low.
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24276 From: Mr Ed <mred@m...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 4:08pm
Subject:
Ford Rough
Wednesday, May 23, 2001
By Jonathan Serrie
Email this Article
SEATTLE — For decades, Ford trucks have been carrying the load in rural America. But now the automaker's recent commitment to "Earth-friendly" organizations is planting some seeds of discontent.
The once-thriving logging communities of Western Montana's Flathead Valley are struggling to survive, largely because of stringent environmental regulations enacted during the Clinton years.
That's why the Ford drivers in the valley are upset over the company's $5 million grant in February to the National Audubon Society.
"I do not understand why Ford has decided to give money to groups that attack their customer base," says Bruce Vincent, a fourth-generation logger in the Flathead Valley. "We're the folks who buy a lot of their pickups."
In a written statement, Sandra Ulsh, vice president of the Ford Motor Company Fund, said, "Ford's support of Audubon is limited to specifically funding environmental education and bird monitoring projects."
But money is money, the protesters insist, and they say thousands of rural jobs have been eliminated by Audubon's support for declaring vast stretches of public land off-limits to logging and road-building.
"People who drive Fords don't like the fact that the company they buy from gives money to environmental organizations that they perceive to be the enemy," said Jim Petersen, editor of Evergreen Magazine.
"Why would [Ford] see fit to contribute to a group that is dependent on a conflict that costs us?" Vincent asked.
That question has prompted angry calls for economic sanctions.
"If you really want a Ford, buy a used one," urges John Stokes, owner of KGEZ-AM in Kalispell, Mont. "That way, no money goes to Dearborn, Michigan."
Stokes said his radio station has received calls and e-mails from hundreds of listeners upset over Ford's environmental contributions.
The station's Web site, KGEZ.com, has posted the names of local businesses supporting environmental groups.
Some environmentalists call this "corporate blacklist" unfair, but Stokes says turnabout is fair play; he argues that environmental groups have used the same tactics for years.
For now, calls for actual boycotts are limited and loosely organized. But if this grassroots backlash gains momentum, more companies may find it's not easy being green.
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24277 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu May 24, 2001 4:29pm
Subject: Jeep survival kit
I think everyone could add a few items as they read this and re-post
it, I think it would cover the bases for what we should keep in our
Jeeps when Jeepin'.
Fire extinguisher ABC rated
At least a gallon of drinking water
Full set of sockets and wrenches
Big Fawkin' Hammer
Bailing wire
Flashlight
Air compressor or CO2 tank
MRE's
First aid kit
Jacket or space blanket
Anyone else got anything to add?
Chris M
87 YJ