Beadlocks and Creepy Crawlers

[westy]

I know several of you guys are running the Creepy Crawlers, I'll be getting a set in the near future on beadlock wheels, however I am debating what size wheel to run.

Tire will be the 37x12.5r15 Creepy Crawlers.

15x8 or 15x10? I know either will work, however I'd like to get the extra width of the 10 wide but I've been told the 8" wheel would be better. Got any recommendations?? Thanks

Also, does anyone here have the 37x14.5 wide Crawlers?? Really how WIDE are they on what wheel size??

Brian

[rockwerks]

Yes keep to the 8" a 10" rim increases the sidewall to more damage while in the rocks.......also usually an 8" beadlock is usually more like an 8.5 or 9" rim by the time you mount it

[xFallen]

I know several of you guys are running the Creepy Crawlers, I'll be getting a set in the near future on beadlock wheels, however I am debating what size wheel to run.

Tire will be the 37x12.5r15 Creepy Crawlers.

15x8 or 15x10? I know either will work, however I'd like to get the extra width of the 10 wide but I've been told the 8" wheel would be better. Got any recommendations?? Thanks

Also, does anyone here have the 37x14.5 wide Crawlers?? Really how WIDE are they on what wheel size??

Brian

I suggest the 8". I run mine at 5-7 psi on cheapo steel wheels (not beadlocks) and have yet to lose a bead. I wheel it. :D

When rescuing D-Man's rig the passenger front was down to 1 psi -- everyone thought it was dead flat -- and it held the bead even with the weight of the rig on it with the driver side up in the air about 5 feet at the time. Pretty fun.


Barry

[RufftyTuffty]

Another vote for 8" rims (9" cw/ beadlock).

Only have a few runs on my Creepy's but i'm liking them so far.

One point to consider is...15's or 17's...how big of a tire do you plan on running...and what bolt pattern have you got now?

~Mike

[westy]

Most likely no bigger than 37-38s for a good while...15" wheel is fine.

Will an Aluminum beadlock 15x8 from say TR or Allied really be 9"? I know the weld on beadlocks add another inch to the wheel.

Does anyone here have the 37x14.5 Creepy Crawlers?? If so, are they really wide? I would think the 10" wheel would be a much better combo with this size.

[tyota]

hmmmmmmmmmmm.....................Guess who just so happens to sell exactly what your looking for :D

[xFallen]

Most likely no bigger than 37-38s for a good while...15" wheel is fine.

Will an Aluminum beadlock 15x8 from say TR or Allied really be 9"? I know the weld on beadlocks add another inch to the wheel.

Does anyone here have the 37x14.5 Creepy Crawlers?? If so, are they really wide? I would think the 10" wheel would be a much better combo with this size.

The 10" rims would probably be better for the 14.50 tire but it depends on if this is a driver or a trail-only rig. Trail only I would probably go with 8".


Barry

[westy]

hmmmmmmmmmmm.....................Guess who just so happens to sell exactly what your looking for :D

Allieds or Creepy Crawlers??

[RufftyTuffty]

To my knowledge all beadlocks are wider that the stock rim...hjow much exactly i'm not sure.

On a side note...why a 14.5 tire....the 14.5 is a WIDE tire...especially on a 10" rim...have you got the clearances at stuff and flex?

~Mike

[jpcrawleram]

I run TSL's 38x12.5x15 and allied beadlocks. The beadlock will add about an inch. I can run them without a valve stem and have no problem.

[westy]

thanks for the good responses.

jpcrawl - what size allieds do you run?

[jpcrawleram]

15x10 allieds.

[RufftyTuffty]

Another 8" to 10" issue you may want to consider is...you loose about an inch of tire diameter when you go wider...1/2" of diff clearance.

~Mike

[xFallen]

Another 8" to 10" issue you may want to consider is...you loose about an inch of tire diameter when you go wider...1/2" of diff clearance.

~Mike

That's a good point that is rarely discussed, and one of the other reasons I went with 8" rims when I bought new ones.


Barry

[RokNRich]

Good thread, anyone have any other thoughts on the 8" vs. 10" debate ?

[AZXJ]

8.5 Walkers!! perfect !! :D

[mingoglia]

These old threads throw me off. I saw Nick comment that he happens to sell them... thought he was back in business for a split second until I looked at the date.

[1BLKJP]

These old threads throw me off. I saw Nick comment that he happens to sell them... thought he was back in business for a split second until I looked at the date.

Mike don't be silly. We all know that would NEVER happen. :D

[Pac8541]

The 10" rims would probably be better for the 14.50 tire but it depends on if this is a driver or a trail-only rig. Trail only I would probably go with 8".


Barry


I know this is an old thread and Barry is not around anymore but his comment this guy's rig being a "driver or trail-only rig" asks a question I've been wanting to ask for a while:

Are Creepy's something a guy should be even considering in a DD? Those of you running these tires, are yours daily drivers or what is your experience with them on the street?

[lostoffroad]

i run the 37x14.5x16 creepys. been running the same set for 2.5yrs. i run them on 16x8 rims. i can air down to pretty much whatever i want and never pulled a bead yet. they are pretty wide but not to bad. about the same as the 38x15.5 tsl radials i run on the street.

[RokNRich]

Are Creepy's something a guy should be even considering in a DD? Those of you running these tires, are yours daily drivers or what is your experience with them on the street?

I run 35's, they actually ride quite nice on the road, but are pretty new too. Mine is not a DD and I probably wouldn't run them on a DD due the cost and how fast they will wear.

i run the 37x14.5x16 creepys. been running the same set for 2.5yrs. i run them on 16x8 rims. i can air down to pretty much whatever i want and never pulled a bead yet. they are pretty wide but not to bad. about the same as the 38x15.5 tsl radials i run on the street.

Beadlocks ?

The reason I was searching and bumped this thread is that I'm loosing beads on my 16X8 non beadlock rims...........

[TomHatch]

Rich,

How tall do the 35" Creepys actually measure?

Tom

[RokNRich]

Website says 35", pretty close when I measured them........

[TomHatch]

Website says 35", pretty close when I measured them........

I asked because my so called 35" MTRs only measure about 33 1/4" (they are about 1/3 to 1/2 worn).

[RokNRich]

I asked because my so called 35" MTRs only measure about 33 1/4" (they are about 1/3 to 1/2 worn).

LOL, yup been there, twice...what size beadlocks should I get, 8" or 10" ???

[TomHatch]

Sounds like everyone suggests 8 or 8.5s. I've never had beadlocks so I'll let you do the research for me.:laugh2:

[Huck]

Rich,
I'm saving my pesos up for some non-blingy Walkers and matching 37" Creepies..... I'm still short quite a few pesos, but the axles are ready for the new shoes when I've got the pesos saved. I'm going with their 17"x8.5" rims and 3.75" B.S.

Wow, save up pesos for new shoes and then I've got to save again for additional wheelbase to come in late 08.

Good luck with your decision. That rim choice was the result of my research, FWIW.
Happy New Year!!

[RokNRich]

That "was" my plan too David. Ended up getting a set of 35 12.5 R16's. Figured I'd run them on the Moabs until I was ready for 37's (need to learn how to drive first). I'm not happy with the way the Moabs are holding the beads, found a set of 16" beadlocks I could live with (Allied), and also confirmed that Maxxis makes 37's in a 16" rim. Only decision left is what width on the rim, leaning towards 8............

Thanks and Happy New Year to you as well !

[Huck]

Were those Travis' old Creepies? I don't think you would go wrong with the above referenced choice. An 8' rim will keep your pumkins off the rocks that much more than a 10" rim. The question becomes, is it that much of a difference at the pumkins?

I always thought the moabs held beads pretty darn well.... Now you go and throw real world experiences into the mix and blow my whole impression of them. now for the web-wheeling drum roll:drummer::drummer::drummer:

I'm due to head out to FJ in the next few weeks, I just couldn't make it out there for the runs last weekend.
Happy Holidaze.....:aagh:

[Crawldad]

Rich,
I'm saving my pesos up for some non-blingy Walkers and matching 37" Creepies..... I'm still short quite a few pesos, but the axles are ready for the new shoes when I've got the pesos saved. I'm going with their 17"x8.5" rims and 3.75" B.S.

Wow, save up pesos for new shoes and then I've got to save again for additional wheelbase to come in late 08.

Good luck with your decision. That rim choice was the result of my research, FWIW.
Happy New Year!!

Only one problem. The Creepies don't come in a 37x17.

[YGOHOME]

just fyi... i don't think maxxis makes a 37" creepy tire for 17" rim.

http://www.maxxis.com/products/automotive/product_detail.asp?id=5486

youd have to get the 40 inchers :D or get the 37" competition trepadors

*edit: JD was quicker than me in responding ;)... I too am researching with the 17 wheel size and tire combos... for a 17" rim, the bias tire options are kindof slim unless you want to also get an expensive competition compound tire. i'm staying away from radials cuz i don't want to cut a sidewall and have to carry a spare and i'm still daily driving my jeep for the next two yrs so I don't want to spend money on way expensive comp tires. (a single 37" comp trep costs over $500)

so I'm going with the regulr non comp 37" bias on 15" wheels for now since there are alot more bias tire choices in that size than a 17" rim. if its not a daily driver then go crazy with the comp tires and 17" rim beadlocks

regarding wheel width I'll probably stick with 8" - 9"

[RokNRich]

Were those Travis' old Creepies?


I always thought the moabs held beads pretty darn well.... Now you go and throw real world experiences into the mix and blow my whole impression of them. now for the web-wheeling drum roll:drummer::drummer::drummer:

I'm due to head out to FJ in the next few weeks, I just couldn't make it out there for the runs last weekend.
Happy Holidaze.....:aagh:

I got the Creepys from a guy in Denver, the deal was more than good enough to eat the shipping.

My Moabs actually did well holding a bead until these tires, maybe the Bias construction ???

You're always welcome, come on out !


Only one problem. The Creepies don't come in a 37x17.

Yep, that's a big part of the change in plans to the Allied BL's, I can use the tires I have now and go to 37's in the future without changing rims.

JD - you got 8"s or 10"s ? :pinch:

[TRLR8TDTJ]

I have 10's and have noticed the added traction just going 2 inches wider. I have only lost 1 inside bead, but that was in pretty bad situation. See what size wheel they recommend for your tires and get that one. If it was non beadlock I would get 8, beadlock I would get 10. Not too worried about tire protecting wheel, but like the fact that wheel protects tire.

Just my .02

Kyle

[crgeorge]

I run 35 inch micky thompsons on 15 x 8's at 10-12 pounds and they work great. I get plenty of sidewall flex and haven't lost a bead yet.

[lancetkenyon]

JDs WEs are 17x8.5. I run the 15x8" non beadlocks, and at 5 PSI, have only lost air once, when a rock pushed the sidewall in off the rim. You were there, at PD. I have folded the tires over so you can't even see them, and not pulled one off. When I go to beadlocks, I will be in the same dilemma, but I think I will go with 10" wide, adds a total of 4" extra width overall to the rig(a little better in offcamber), but might also jump up to the 38-13-15s. In about a year and a half? Have a stretch and 4to1 to do 1st.

[lancetkenyon]

I run 35 inch micky thompsons on 15 x 8's at 10-12 pounds and they work great. I get plenty of sidewall flex and haven't lost a bead yet.

Radials, right? Radials flex WAY more than a bias, because the sidewall is so much thinner. Mine at 5 PSI don't flex a lot until you wrap them around a rock, or put a lot of sideload/weight on them.

[RokNRich]

I have 10's and have noticed the added traction just going 2 inches wider. I have only lost 1 inside bead, but that was in pretty bad situation. See what size wheel they recommend for your tires and get that one. If it was non beadlock I would get 8, beadlock I would get 10. Not too worried about tire protecting wheel, but like the fact that wheel protects tire.

Just my .02

Kyle

I had heard you mention this before, and actually was planning on 10's, but then me and Jwohl talked and I did some searching and it appears that the 10's can lose a bead more often, figured I'd ask around.

How low of pressure are you running. Johns afraid to post probably (lurking tho), but he says he's not getting much below 10 psi on his 10" BL's.........I am wanting to get down to about 5 psi..............

I think the BL also adds about an 1" to the rim width as well don't they ?

[lancetkenyon]

I had heard you mention this before, and actually was planning on 10's, but then me and Jwohl talked and I did some searching and it appears that the 10's can lose a bead more often, figured I'd ask around.

How low of pressure are you running. Johns afraid to post probably (lurking tho), but he says he's not getting much below 10 psi on his 10" BL's.........I am wanting to get down to about 5 psi..............

I think the BL also adds about an 1" to the rim width as well don't they ?

1/2" to 1", and something sounds fishy with JWohls BLs. I would HOPE with BLs you could run 1 PSI. Joe runs his 37s at 1 1/2PSI, and JD runs his around 4-5 PSI.

[TRLR8TDTJ]

I had heard you mention this before, and actually was planning on 10's, but then me and Jwohl talked and I did some searching and it appears that the 10's can lose a bead more often, figured I'd ask around.

How low of pressure are you running. Johns afraid to post probably (lurking tho), but he says he's not getting much below 10 psi on his 10" BL's.........I am wanting to get down to about 5 psi..............

I think the BL also adds about an 1" to the rim width as well don't they ?

He was telling me that I though that was odd. I dont think I have ran over 5psi since I have installed mine. I lower them to around 4psi normally, and I have only lost 1 bead and that was on pyeatte draw fall when I almost rolled into the water.

Kyle

[Huck]

JD you pulled my head right out of the clouds..... I've been looking into so many tire choices, I made a bad assumption. My other option was to run the bias Claws, like Ben. Uuggghh, back to the tire shopping drawing board or just be OK running balloons on 15's....

I should have just bought those TR beadlocks and with the Krawlers from MO and paid for the shipping. Then I wouldn't have as many choices....

Back to the drawing board for me. I currently run 6-7PSI with my junky MTR's and 15x8 rims. Haven't lost a bead yet, but that cost me a sidewall last time out.

By the way, thanks for the offer JD. I was stuck working Monday AM, though.

[jpotts]

Back to the drawing board for me. I currently run 6-7PSI with my junky MTR's and 15x8 rims. Haven't lost a bead yet, but that cost me a sidewall last time out.



I've been running my MTRs lower than normal lately (7-8 PSI vs 10-11 PSI) and I've sliced 3 sidewalls in my last 2 trips. I'm going to try a higher PSI to see if I can get some more trips out of them. They still have a good amount of tread left, and I have had good luck until recently.

Sorry to get off topic.

[Crawldad]

[QUOTE=lancetkenyon;276847]JDs WEs are 17x8.5.
What he said.

[Wayco]

Great thread guys, it may have helped me too. Lost my second sidewall on my ProComp's last weekend. My staun's aren't accurate enough, I set them for 8 psi and can get anything from 6 to 10 when I use them. I'm running 35x12.50x17 on my 10" WE beadlocks, but my Pro Comp Xterrains look almost flat at 6 psi. I got a new set of deflators at 4 wheelers BBQ last month, I think I will go up to 10 psi. and see how that looks. Replacing a $250 tire every month is getting a little old.
It was nice that Andy at ORI reminded me that the 37" Pro Comps have a triple sidewall, but then there is the whole clearance/gears issue to deal with too.....:banghead:

Oh yeah, I never had any luck with the Moab rims, lost beads multiple times when I was running 33" BFG's. even at 15 psi.

[lancetkenyon]

If you want to wheel the harder trails, you have to get some good bias tires, or certs from Discount! Radials are just prone to get sliced. Wayne, stay away from the Procomps, go with MT or Maxxis if you want to quit replacing tires. But you have to get the bias plies. A little more than $300 per tire for a 37", but beats spending $250 every month to replace a radial. Road wear might be an issue though. Still cheaper in the long run, I think.

[Pac8541]

If you want to wheel the harder trails, you have to get some good bias tires, or certs from Discount! Radials are just prone to get sliced. Wayne, stay away from the Procomps, go with MT or Maxxis is you want to quit replacing tires. But you have to get the bias plies. A little more than $300 per tire for a 37", but beats spending $250 every month to replace a radial. Road wear might be an issue though. Still cheaper in the long run, I think.

How big of a deal is flat-spotting? Or, is it?

[lancetkenyon]

Mine flat spot pretty good at 5 PSI(which I leave them at) in the colder weather. After about 1 mile on the pavement or dirt road, they round out fine. If the trail is closer, I forget about it as soon as I get to wheeling, I don't notice much flatspotting if going slow. They are not bad at around 15-18 PSI, which is where I run them if on the street.