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azdesertrhino
02-09-2006, 04:23 AM
Going postal in gun-free zones
Feb 6, 2006
by Donald R. May

Evildoers like the Goleta killer flaunt their destruction on the world stage. The deranged former postal worker killed six unarmed defenseless Goleta, California postal workers and a former neighbor before turning the gun on herself. As with Muslim terrorists seeking attention for their causes, suicidal murderers rivet our attention to their unhinged mental state and to the hatred they spew.
It should be no surprise that evil strikes in areas of least resistance. People intent on committing mass murder seek a high level of certainty that they will not face immediate armed confrontation. Though the details are still limited, the Goleta killer probably realized she would not encounter anyone able to resist her with a gun. Suicidal murders may be deranged, but they are not dim-witted.

Persons who are determined to kill large numbers have often targeted United States Post Office facilities. Other popular murder spree sites have been schools and churches. What these places have in common is that all ban law-abiding citizens from legally carrying personal defense weapons, access for criminals with weapons is relatively easy and unchallenged, and armed security is limited or absent. Mass murders are more likely to occur in designated gun free zones and not where others are armed. Large numbers of people are not shot in gun stores and at shooting ranges.

Past news media blitzes following Post Office and school shootings augmented the numbers of laws restricting everyone’s rights. Rather than increasing safety, such laws further endangered workers, students, worshippers, customers, and all who frequent gun free zones. With fewer legal guns present, they become soft targets inviting the deranged. How many of us would post signs on our own homes announcing that we allow no guns on the premises?


Society needs to disregard the baseless calls for more restrictions on honest gun merchants and citizens. Their guns are not a significant source of criminal weapons.

Some will always have gun phobias, and this is unfortunate. Education helps. A personal encounter with an armed assailant helps even more.

Following Hurricane Katrina, many law-abiding citizens were disarmed and deprived of their right to protect themselves. As a result, the New Hampshire legislature has moved to protect the rights of its citizens from gun seizure during emergencies.

In countries where citizens have been disarmed and prevented from defending themselves, violence has escalated. Increased death and destruction have come from the ruling elite and from criminals. Within the first year of disarming the Australian public, firearm homicide increased by 300% in the state of Victoria, Australia. Canada’s overall crime rate is now 50% higher than that of the United States. Violent crime rates, including sexual assault, are double that of the United States.

Throughout history, those who were inadequately armed were subject to the whims and cruelties of those who were. Those under Roman rule carried swords and other weapons for protection against thieves. The sword Simon Peter carried and used defensively was a personal protection weapon of those times.

The heavy yoke of tyranny historically has kept most commoners disarmed. When the rebellious colonists starting rattling King George’s chain, his Redcoats moved to quickly confiscate their guns. With remembrance that it was the weapons they bore that secured their independence, our Founding Fathers penned the Second Amendment to insure our safety against the tyranny of the elite and the violence of our peers.

In some public areas, it is necessary to keep weapons out of the hands of everyone other than highly vetted persons employed to maintain security. Airports, certain government facilities, and airliners are places where it is not possible to quickly and efficiently screen the good guys with guns from the bad guys. Security keeps out unauthorized weapons, and armed personnel are there for protection.

Post Offices, schools, churches, and numerous other public and private places ban law-abiding citizens from carrying firearms but provide little or no security to prevent the deranged from bringing in weapons. Evil people intent on committing capital offenses are not deterred by laws and are emboldened with the knowledge their mayhem will likely go unchallenged for many minutes. The research of John Lott and William Landes has shown “that the only policy factor to influence multiple victim public shootings is the passage of concealed handgun laws.”

Some Post Office and school employees should be armed and permitted to carry concealed weapons. Federal and state policies should reflect the determined intent to kill armed perpetrators at the first opportunity. When armed terrorists and armed criminals are taken alive, sentencing and removal from public view should be swift to prevent copycats.

An armed citizenry is the best deterrence to violence. Public places where law-abiding citizens are not permitted to bear arms should be rare and few. Wherever legal guns are banned, screening and armed security should be present to prevent the entry of illegal weapons and to protect from terrorist and criminal violence.

The measure of a civilized nation is how effectively it is able to maintain its social order. This is a result of just and moral people who are able to regulate their own affairs and to protect themselves at times when their police and military cannot.

“To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless.” Jeff Snyder


Copyright © 2006 Townhall.com

Sautin
02-09-2006, 07:21 AM
[CENTER]Going postal in gun-free zones
“To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless.” Jeff Snyder

That is a powerful statement.

TRobertsRN
02-09-2006, 07:48 AM
Originally Posted by azdesertrhino
[center]Going postal in gun-free zones
“To ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless.” Jeff Snyder

I have said something like this before when asking if I should lose my car because my neighbor kills someone with his.

I like the way Jeff Snyder puts it better, more to the point.

TRobertsRN
02-09-2006, 08:20 AM
Yes I would still agree with the statement.

What do you think of this one?

“To ban cars because kids use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of irresponsible, uneducated and the naive.?.”


There is a long list of things that kill more kids than guns do. So if kids lives are the argument to ban any type of gun then there are a number of things we should ban first before the government should even think about banning something guaranteed by the constitution.

jeepsonly
02-09-2006, 09:14 AM
Wow, great quote. It's my new footer.

SavageSun4x4
02-09-2006, 09:56 AM
Luby's Cafeteria Massacre

On October 16, 1991, George Hennard drove a 1987 Ford Ranger pickup truck thru the glass window and into Luby's Cafeteria at Killeen TX. Hennard yelled "This is what Bell County has done to me!" then opened fire with a Glock 17 and later a Ruger P89, killing 23 people and wounding 20 others. A fat man threw himself through a plate glass window, permitting him and several others to escape. Hennard also permitted a four-year-old girl to leave, along with her mother.

At the time, the Luby's massacre was the worst mass murder in U.S. history.

Police shot Hennard several times, who then killed himself with a gunshot wound to the head, in the hallway leading to the toilets. On his cadaver was found a ticket for The Fisher King, a Robin Williams film based on the aftermath of a nightclub massacre similar in character to the one committed by Hennard.

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1) Stop all movies by Robin Williams

2) This brings us to the hard truth that gun prohibitionists are unwilling to face, but which Killeen's sheriff stated on national TV. If some of the restaurant patrons had been able to shoot back, Hennard could have been stopped much sooner.

'Luby's, give us a shot'

'Luby's, where you buy the lunch and the Ruger is on us'

azrubyman
02-09-2006, 10:00 AM
Jeff Synder's comments are interesting...However, may I make a small change to the qoute and ask if you think the same still applies?

Yes. It still applies. No question about it in my mind.
Ken

fatbob309
02-09-2006, 10:22 AM
Going postal in gun-free zones
Feb 6, 2006
by Donald R. May

Within the first year of disarming the Australian public, firearm homicide increased by 300% in the state of Victoria, Australia. Canada’s overall crime rate is now 50% higher than that of the United States. Violent crime rates, including sexual assault, are double that of the United States.

Jeff Snyder

Copyright © 2006 Townhall.com

Prove it. I see people pull numbers out their ***** all the time. I just want to see proof. I would ask this of a person against me having a gun on my hip and one in the Jeep so i will ask it of you. Prove it.

fatbob309
02-09-2006, 11:02 AM
What are you talking about?

They went from 3 deaths to 9...:rolleyes:

Im serious. People post up all the time (not just here) with “truth” they have found on the web. Ive done it.

azdesertrhino
02-09-2006, 06:01 PM
Prove it. I see people pull numbers out their ***** all the time. I just want to see proof. I would ask this of a person against me having a gun on my hip and one in the Jeep so i will ask it of you. Prove it.

I just scanned the first few pages, don't have the time or inclination to read 90+ pages. You may be able to find the information you are looking for here.


http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2002/facts_and_figures_2002.pdf

azdesertrhino
02-09-2006, 06:06 PM
Not sure I buy that sheriff's conclusion. While Hennard himself may have shot and killed less people had patrons been carrying, there is no way to tell how many would have died from errant shots by patrons. For all we know, a 'wild west' shoot out might have left us with just as many dead and wounded.

OR someone could have put two to the body and one to the head and ended it with minimal losses. :eek: I'd rather take my chances in your so called "wild west shootout" than sit there and watch strangers, friends & family slaughtered by some moron and have absolutely no chance of defense!!

SavageSun4x4
02-09-2006, 07:06 PM
I just scanned the first few pages, don't have the time or inclination to read 90+ pages. You may be able to find the information you are looking for here.


http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/facts/2002/facts_and_figures_2002.pdf
I spent some time at this site and what you will not learn is whether or not more or less folks were killed by firearms after '96 when they were confiscated. This leads me to believe that just as many if not more were killed by firearms after '96. Governments have a tendency to omit the facts when they are not what the propganda machine wants you to know.

I also did several hours of research on this topic. And, no suprise, every jerk off with a PhD claims that Austrila is bigger, better, can jump higher and run faster to the point its almost comical.

azdesertrhino
02-09-2006, 07:15 PM
Governments have a tendency to omit the facts when they are not what the propganda machine wants you to know.

I also did several hours of research on this topic. And, no suprise, every jerk off with a PhD claims that Austrila is bigger, better, can jump higher and run faster to the point its almost comical.

Well said Don and very true. Their minds are made up, don't confuse them with the facts!!

SavageSun4x4
02-09-2006, 07:16 PM
Word to the wise:

It's highly likely that a far left wing liberal will take the White House in '08. I suggest you begin now by adding to your guns 'n ammo collection. The 'Aussie papers' will be the basis for the next run at gun confiscation. With a far left in the white house expect the worst and hope for the best.

Guns and ammo, currency of the new millennium.

TRobertsRN
02-10-2006, 07:46 AM
You crack me up Don...If someone disputes CDC, ATF or FBI numbers, they are ignoring the facts...

However when you look at 'other governements' numbers you dismiss the facts...

You people crack me up...

That "You People" comment didn't exactly get old what's his name elected president.

I haven't read the article yet (doing high steer conversion this week) but I am wondering. Do these other government numbers come from beaurocrats like the CDC, ATF, or FBI who are not elected and therefore have no party obligations, or are the numbers from members of the government with an agenda. I would also have to be knowledgabe about the Austrailian govermental system. This government has a history of lying in reguards to gun confinscation. I don't right out reject their numbers but I am suspusious.