SavageSun4x4
01-19-2006, 09:46 AM
XXXXXX, David X LTC USAREC ?Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 5:30 PM ?To: XXXXX, James X USAAC ?Subject: RE: M16-IBA DOTMPLF Analysis 17 JAN
Got it.
We're in agreement.
6.8 was never an official request from US Army Special Operations Command nor the US Army Special Forces Command. We have charter to wildcat anything for competition. Didn't know Steve Holland was going to go full-court press on unproven technology. The bullets he specified did NOT pass DOD General Counsel blessing for Hague Convention reality check. My protest was someone claiming it could do something it can't, and we never tested or proved it with anything approaching a GI test for function and durability.
73, 75, and 77 grain 5.56mm ammo do exceptionally well. I asked last March at the G3 STRAC conference why they didn't want to entertain it, and the answer was quite simple -- "If we buy it for Big Army, by law we have to buy all of USASOC's requirement."
Somewhere in the annals of Army history we went with the peep vice open sights (like the AK) for general speed and precision. I think they're good sights for what they do.
We use the M9 pistol target (the lower of the two on your attachment) at the Army Rifle and Pistol Championships for M16/M4 shots at 200, 300, and 500 yards. The inner rings are worth 5 points.
With the Barretts, in USASOC I believe we have a daily limit of 50 rounds for range safety and line NCOs due to the blast pressure waves. Soldiers can get really sick and nauseous after a whole day behind the 50s, even if they're not shooting it. C7A2 in Afghanistan: http://www.sfu.ca/casr/id-army-arms.htm.
JTF-Afghanistan decorated the Canadians with the Bronze Star. The Canadian government wouldn't let them accept until they got a lot of pressure at home.
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If you have an active interest in current military weapons and their results in the mid east conflict, this will be a good read.
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/id-army-arms.htm
Part 1 ? Introduction ? TFK and ISAF ? B Coy in Afghanistan
Part 2 ? CF Small Arms in Afghanistan ? the 5.56mm C7A2 and C8A1
Part 3 ? Sighting Systems ? Optics, 'Iron Sights' & Night Vision
Part 4 ? Machineguns, the 5.56mm C9A2 & 7.62mm C6, and Suppressors
Part 5 ? Shotguns, Fragmentation Weapons, and Anti-Armour Weapons
Part 6 ? A Case for the Pistol, and Conclusion
Got it.
We're in agreement.
6.8 was never an official request from US Army Special Operations Command nor the US Army Special Forces Command. We have charter to wildcat anything for competition. Didn't know Steve Holland was going to go full-court press on unproven technology. The bullets he specified did NOT pass DOD General Counsel blessing for Hague Convention reality check. My protest was someone claiming it could do something it can't, and we never tested or proved it with anything approaching a GI test for function and durability.
73, 75, and 77 grain 5.56mm ammo do exceptionally well. I asked last March at the G3 STRAC conference why they didn't want to entertain it, and the answer was quite simple -- "If we buy it for Big Army, by law we have to buy all of USASOC's requirement."
Somewhere in the annals of Army history we went with the peep vice open sights (like the AK) for general speed and precision. I think they're good sights for what they do.
We use the M9 pistol target (the lower of the two on your attachment) at the Army Rifle and Pistol Championships for M16/M4 shots at 200, 300, and 500 yards. The inner rings are worth 5 points.
With the Barretts, in USASOC I believe we have a daily limit of 50 rounds for range safety and line NCOs due to the blast pressure waves. Soldiers can get really sick and nauseous after a whole day behind the 50s, even if they're not shooting it. C7A2 in Afghanistan: http://www.sfu.ca/casr/id-army-arms.htm.
JTF-Afghanistan decorated the Canadians with the Bronze Star. The Canadian government wouldn't let them accept until they got a lot of pressure at home.
********END MESSAGE***************UNCLASSIFIED***************
If you have an active interest in current military weapons and their results in the mid east conflict, this will be a good read.
http://www.sfu.ca/casr/id-army-arms.htm
Part 1 ? Introduction ? TFK and ISAF ? B Coy in Afghanistan
Part 2 ? CF Small Arms in Afghanistan ? the 5.56mm C7A2 and C8A1
Part 3 ? Sighting Systems ? Optics, 'Iron Sights' & Night Vision
Part 4 ? Machineguns, the 5.56mm C9A2 & 7.62mm C6, and Suppressors
Part 5 ? Shotguns, Fragmentation Weapons, and Anti-Armour Weapons
Part 6 ? A Case for the Pistol, and Conclusion