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19220 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 0:38pm
Subject: Re: sycamore creek friday meeting time and place
If you're talking about Friday as in *tomorrow* (2/23), you better check
for weather forecast again. The forecasts on the Ch. 5, 10 and 15 news
at noon today all called for rain.
-Roger
Rob Williams wrote:
>
> Okay for those that want to go to Sycamore Friday, if you live on the east side we will be meeting up at the On the Run on the Southeast corner of Power and Southern at about 8:45. I want to leave there at 9:00 and get up to sycamore around 9:30-9:45 we will wait at the Sycamore/Beeline Trailhead until about 10:00 - 10:15. I don't have a CB, but those who do we'll be on the standard channel 4, so if you are running late, let us know and we can wait. As for Blair, I hope you are comming, so if you need to go a little later we can work something out! The weather should be nice, so I will be open, I am bringing my top just in case!! :) See you guys tomorrow!!! -Rob
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19221 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 0:51pm
Subject: RE: sycamore creek friday meeting time and place
The weather channel web page isn't calling for rain till at least Sunday and
then again on Tuesday.
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:38 PM
To: Jeepguy@z...
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] sycamore creek friday meeting time and place
If you're talking about Friday as in *tomorrow* (2/23), you better check
for weather forecast again. The forecasts on the Ch. 5, 10 and 15 news
at noon today all called for rain.
-Roger
Rob Williams wrote:
>
> Okay for those that want to go to Sycamore Friday, if you live on the east
side we will be meeting up at the On the Run on the Southeast corner of
Power and Southern at about 8:45. I want to leave there at 9:00 and get up
to sycamore around 9:30-9:45 we will wait at the Sycamore/Beeline Trailhead
until about 10:00 - 10:15. I don't have a CB, but those who do we'll be on
the standard channel 4, so if you are running late, let us know and we can
wait. As for Blair, I hope you are comming, so if you need to go a little
later we can work something out! The weather should be nice, so I will be
open, I am bringing my top just in case!! :) See you guys tomorrow!!! -Rob
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19222 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 1:25pm
Subject: Update #1: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
Taking someone's advice, BTW thanks for the ideas, "the squeeky
grease gets the wheel" or something like that; anyway I contacted
corporate office of Big-O via email. Yesterday, I got a call from
corporate promissing to take care of the situation. Plus, I stoped by
the Big-O in Tempe and talked to the manager (Steve), the guy that
sold me the spare, and he said he would contact the owner of the Big-
O, Chandler (Arizona Ave) and put a good word in for me.
Meanwhile I will sit here and wait for the hands of time to turn on
this.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> At the end of December of '99 I bought 4 chrome mods from Big-O in
> Chandler, the invoice read 15x8 5-4.5. Well, I went to buy a rim
for
> a spare tire Monday at another Big-O and I made sure the guy knew I
> wanted the same offset and rim. I got the spare back and noticed it
> didn't look like the same offset as my other rims. I imediately
> started giving the guy a ration. He went into the shop and grabed
the
> tire calipers and measured the rims on the ground on my TJ, they
were
> 15x7's.
> I dug up my reciept for the four and went to Big-O in Chandler.
Their
> intial reaction is, my rims are rock damaged and they have switched
> ownership since my purchase there (about a week after).
> The manager is going to wait until the newer owner gets in on
Friday
> and ask what he wants to do, although the manager said, the newer
> owner is getting tired of fixing the old owners problems.
> Any suggestions, other than slaming me (I know with Discount I
> wouldn't have had this problem) would be appreciated.
> This is an FYI also, how many of you measured your rims after they
> were installed?
> TIA
>
> --James
19223 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 1:38pm
Subject: Flagstaff wheelin'
Hi all,
I am moving to Flagstaff in April, and I will be looking for some
solid 3-4 trails to run in that area. If anyone knows of some good
trails, or if anyone would be down to do a lil' exploring, let me
know.
Chris M.
87 YJ turd brown
19224 From: Joe Kearney <JoeKPhx@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 1:46pm
Subject: Re: sycamore creek friday
I want to go on the run tomorrow but will an open CJ7 have any problems? I
see the trail rating of 3.5.
It is scheduled to rain starting tonight continuing tomorrow but that would
make it more fun.
Joe K
>From: Jeepguy@z...
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] sycamore creek friday
>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:52:24 -0000
>
>anyone want to do a run out at sycamore creek on friday? Let me know!
>I want to be out on the trail by 10:00, but have a flexible
>schedule! -Rob
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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19225 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:07pm
Subject: TJ D35C Axle Upgrade?
So to all the TJ owners who have upgraded their D35C axles, with just
new axles (not new tubes, carriers, etc)...what are you running?
This is a very critical and necessary upgrade for my TJ, so I was
wondering what the best option is.
I have the 4cyl with no engine mods, am running 33s but will be up to
35s in the summer (after some other mods). Also running a
Lockright, and would like to keep it if possible.
I've seen the Super 35 kit, but I already have a locker. I'm not
going to invest in another locker yet, as when I do it will be an ARB
but cannot afford that yet.
What other options are there to replace the D35C with a stronger axle?
Also, what other mods would I have to do, or can it be a straight
replacement.
Any help is appreciated.
Dan
19226 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:11pm
Subject: NEED and FS
I am looking for a piece of Aluminum diamond plate 27 X 36 if anyone has
some they would like to sell.
I replaced the engine in a truck last weekend and if anyone is
interested:
1991 ford 2.3L rebuild able long block - make offer
Fuel injection system from same engine - make offer.
I am stepping up to 33's so will have a set of 5 BFG Muds 32 X 11.5, One
new the other four have better than half tread. 400.00.
480-982-7256
Bob
19227 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:23pm
Subject: FS Jeep and parts
I have a friend that has some items to sell. Please call Larry at
480-983-9972 if interested or need more info.
1983 CJ7 $6500.00
Fiberglass body with tilt front end.
Frame has been blasted and painted.
Six cylinder, Auto trans ( trans rebuilt )
Spring over suspension with 35" tires.
Full cage into frame.
New radiator and battery.
Rear is Ford 9".
A/C compressor for onboard air.
New gas tank
Other items:
4 new Goodyear Wrangler 30 X 9.50 X 15 LT - 75 each
4 Jeep aluminum rims from TJ - 75 each
19228 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:30pm
Subject: test
and for those wondering....yes....there is a quiz so STUDY!
19229 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:33pm
Subject: ITEMS FOR SALE
Howdy, folks: Couple items I need to sell.
-- Complete Dana 35C rear axle from a 94 YJ. Drum to drum, 3.55 gears,
working Tracklok, 86,000 miles on unit. Will be removed and available
this weekend. Despite the miles, this rear is in damn good condition.
Make a reasonable offer.
-- Spare D35C axle shafts. I bought these as trail spares from a
fellow member, Joe Larkin. I believe they're from a 97 (or 98) TJ.
Will sell for what I paid: $100.
If interested, contact amstaff@e... or call 480.460.0399.
Dion
19230 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:54pm
Subject: Re: Need a peice of chicken wire
Nick you need to find a better place to keep your chickens even with
that wire they will not have enough room to lay eggs. :)
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Notestine" <nnote@n...>
To: "AzVjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Need a peice of chicken wire
> Does anyone have about a foot and a half square of thin chicken wire? I
> need it to put between my elec. fan and my radiator. I don't really want
to
> get the whole minumim 6 foot roll. I live at Guadalaupe and Dobson.
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
19231 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:56pm
Subject: New poll for az_vjc
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
az_vjc group:
Hi all! Who would pay $65 a year for 1
(one) free backcountry recovery/basic-
repair/parts run insurance, within
200mi (two-hundred) one way from
PHX, "gaurranteed service within 6hrs"
and recieve seasonaly (quarterly)
liturature on offroad safty and remote-
backcountry emergancy contact
procedures (i.e., area frequency lists
of repeaters for making free phone
calls using a transciever when the cell
wont work!) and (pending) annual BLM
landuse pass? Please select your
answer. Questions-Comments: e-mail me
at: 4x4resq@m... Thank you for
your responce! jason -SOUTH WEST
OFFROAD RESCUE-
o YES
o NO
o MAYBE
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks!
19232 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:20pm
Subject: towing a cheokee
Hey all,
88 xj, aw4 trans, sye.
I will be towing my xj behind my motor home this weekend should I remove the
rear driveshaft for towing? any specific info to lookout for?
Brian Harmon
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19233 From: Larry Farquhar <lfar@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:39pm
Subject: TJ Lift Installation Help
I received my Rubicon Express 3" lift and track bar this week (great price
from Toybox offroad) for my '01 TJ. If there's anyone who is experienced
with TJ lifts and wants more experience, I'd appreciate the help. How about
a "wrenching" party? I'll buy the pizza, soda, and beer (within reason).
I don't feel 100% comfortable doing it myself. I've been quoted $350 - $400
for ORU to install it. There's no SYE (yet). Any takers? Your place or mine.
Larry Farquhar
'01 TJ
Chandler, AZ
19234 From: <oveson2@j...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:58pm
Subject: Re: Need a peice of chicken wire
Many Hardware stores sell it by the foot.
Lyle
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Nick Notestine" <nnote@n...> wrote:
> Does anyone have about a foot and a half square of thin chicken
wire? I
> need it to put between my elec. fan and my radiator. I don't
really want to
> get the whole minumim 6 foot roll. I live at Guadalaupe and Dobson.
> Nick
19235 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 4:35pm
Subject: FS: new 2000 TJ top
I have a friend that has a brand new top in the box for a 2000 TJ.
Spice, no windows (just the top piece). call for price ($250 or so
is my guess) try for less. Rob, at 602-268-8800 M-F 8:00 til 5:00.
Mike
19236 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 4:51pm
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC 2
It looks like the Falkland Islands are still pretty unpopular.
Linda
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> Actually, it is a photo of the world.
>
> <http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg>
>
> Jon Loveless
> (480) 816-6240
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
19237 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 5:06pm
Subject: Re: TJ Lift Installation Help
I'd be willing to help. I've done the Tera 3 inch lift, but never done an RE
trackbar. I think we should have a wrenching party. I've seen other clubs on
the internet that do this and it works out for not only the experienced, but
also the unexperienced. They can learn for the time when they do their own.
BTW - I'm also in Chandler
Chris K
> From: "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...>
> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:39:00 -0700
> To: "Az_Vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [az_vjc] TJ Lift Installation Help
>
> I received my Rubicon Express 3" lift and track bar this week (great price
> from Toybox offroad) for my '01 TJ. If there's anyone who is experienced
> with TJ lifts and wants more experience, I'd appreciate the help. How about
> a "wrenching" party? I'll buy the pizza, soda, and beer (within reason).
>
> I don't feel 100% comfortable doing it myself. I've been quoted $350 - $400
> for ORU to install it. There's no SYE (yet). Any takers? Your place or mine.
>
> Larry Farquhar
> '01 TJ
> Chandler, AZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
19238 From: Larry T. <lwt002@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:01pm
Subject: Re: TJ Lift Installation Help
Larry / Chris -
Are we taking about this weekend or next? This weekend might be kind
of tough. If we were talking about next weekend I would be willing to
host the Wrenchin' party. I've got plenty of room and air too. We
could even get Christian to help, he and I installed my RE kit.
Anyway, let me know.
The other Larry
19239 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:24pm
Subject: JEEP WINCH AND IGNITION CUT-OFF
I want a winch for my Jeep. If anyone has one for sale or can put me
in the right direction to find a reasonable offer, please drop me a
line. Also, I am curious if any members are running an ignition kill
as an anti-theft measure. I would like to install one in my Jeep, as
I will not have a garage when I move next month.
TIA,
Chris M.
87 YJ turd brown
19240 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Computer firewall
I've been on Cox for a couple of years. When I first got on it was
amazing the amount of people that had their drives open to the outside
world. My wasn't since I had closed it down and was running NT.
Shortly after I started with Cox I installed a Linux based
firewall/masqurade server. It has been hacked once. At the time it was
hacked I kept telling myself that I needed to upgrade it to the latest
release, I was running a 2.0.38 kernel system and at the time they were
up at 2.2.10. I'm now running the newer system and have set a couple up
for other people. One of the people I set it up for met someone on a
chat group that claimed he could be into it in 5 minutes, The person
never got in and commented on how secure it was.
I'm trying to make a couple points here. First if you what ever you use
for a firewall you need to keep it current with all the latest patchs or
you become vulnerable. The second point is that putting something in
front of your main machine is the best way to go. First they have to
get into your firewall before they can even attempt to access your main
machine. The final point is that windows is the least secure option
available even with the bandaid firewall software. Start with something
that is basicly secure like Unix, Linux or the new DSL/Cable Routers and
then tighten it up from there then when you think you have it tight got
to places like Shields up to get external scans and get friends that
have unix machines run NMAP scans against your firewall to see if you
missed anything.
If anyone wants a port scan of their machine send me a private email and
I'll run NMAP on it an let you know the results. NMAP will pickup
things that Shields up misses.
Joe W wrote:
>
> Absolutely UNTRUE....
>
> If you think for one moment that a software firewall is unnecessary "Scare
> Ware"... you need to think again.
> No protection via a software or hardware firewall means that someone WILL
> gain access your computer if you connect to the internet.
>
> If YOU leave your computer online via a cable modem or DSL or other
> permanently online connection and you don't install at LEAST a software
> firewall (a hardware firewall via a router is more secure) you WILL end up
> with people accessing your computer without your knowledge... GUARANTEED!
>
> Case in point:
>
> I installed Network ICE's BlackIce Defender (Software firewall). Via Cox at
> home cable modem connection, I was averaging 30 or so "attacks" on my system
> a DAY!!! Out of these 30 or so "attacks", 10 or so PER DAY were valid
> attempts to violate my computer system via Trojan horse programs such as the
> sub-seven virus and PC Anywhere probes.
> Even with Black ICE defender installed... someone eventually hacked their
> way through the software firewall and (listen to this) gave themselves FULL
> administrator permission and made all of my drives shared drives. This
> means that someone could access everything on my computer. The hacker did
> this even after I had disabled sharing on my system... AND I had a software
> firewall installed.
>
> To fix this problem... I installed a $150 router from Best buy and now I get
> zero (that's right... ZERO) hits a day (I still have the software firewall
> installed behind the router).
>
> Second Case in point:
>
> A friend of mine just had cox at home installed on his computer. I
> recommended that he purchase at least a software firewall. After one week,
> he finally installed one. Guess what? In one week without a software
> firewall he had the sub-seven virus (which gives a hacker full access to
> your computer). He just went out and purchased a router and installed it.
>
> For those of you who think that hackers are only interested in large
> corporation computers... or that protection software is unnecessary... think
> again. If you're online any length of time at all... you can bet that
> someone has tried to hack into your computer. If you're online full time
> via a permanent connection, and you don't have at least a software firewall
> such as Black ICE defender... your computer is likely already hacked into
> and open to the world to see whatever you have on it... delete your files...
> format your hard disk... whatever they want to do.
>
> Bottom line:
>
> If you want at least SOME protection from Hackers... purchase a software
> firewall.
> If you want Decent protection from Hackers... purchase a hardware firewall
> (Router).
> If you want absolute protection from Hackers... don't EVER get on the
> internet; Nothing and I mean NOTHING is hack proof if someone wants into
> your computer bad enough.
>
> I too am a "Techie" (Graduate degree in Electrical Engineering)... if anyone
> has any questions, please feel free to write to me. Installing a hardware
> firewall is really quite easy, and I'd be happy to help anyone who may want
> some advice.
>
> Whatever you do... at least recognize that your computer is vulnerable and
> take some precautions to prevent unauthorized access. Failure to do so may
> jeopardize the integrity of your computer system.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe West
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
19241 From: Kevin <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:54pm
Subject: Re: RE: OT: Computer firewall
hmmmm....im not a hacker.
kevin
college student.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Loveless" <bryan.loveless@n...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 9:33 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] RE: OT: Computer firewall
> Yeah, we all know how ALL hackers are in college and have NOTHING better
to
> do than hack other people's machines all day.... and dont forget the
> drinking, drug use, and rampent fornication too!
>
> --Bryan
> bryan.loveless@n...
>
> College student,
> Network administrator for NAU,
> Residential Computing Consultant,
> Avid Jeep fan.
>
>
> >Message: 8
> > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:18:23 -0700
> > From: "......>
> >Subject: RE: OT: Computer firewall
> >
> <SNIP>
> >If you are interested
> >in tracking the hackers look for the .edu hits
> <snip>
> >(name withheld)
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
19242 From: Kevin <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Computer firewall
i dont have anything that i dont mind sharing with a hacker on my
computer...nothing personal. and i bet it makes them feel good to be able
to easily get into a computer like mine...if i get a harmful virus i will
just format my HD..it will probably need it by then anyway
kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
To: <brian.pavlich@i...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
> Absolutely UNTRUE....
>
> If you think for one moment that a software firewall is unnecessary "Scare
> Ware"... you need to think again.
> No protection via a software or hardware firewall means that someone WILL
> gain access your computer if you connect to the internet.
>
> If YOU leave your computer online via a cable modem or DSL or other
> permanently online connection and you don't install at LEAST a software
> firewall (a hardware firewall via a router is more secure) you WILL end up
> with people accessing your computer without your knowledge... GUARANTEED!
>
> Case in point:
>
> I installed Network ICE's BlackIce Defender (Software firewall). Via Cox
at
> home cable modem connection, I was averaging 30 or so "attacks" on my
system
> a DAY!!! Out of these 30 or so "attacks", 10 or so PER DAY were valid
> attempts to violate my computer system via Trojan horse programs such as
the
> sub-seven virus and PC Anywhere probes.
> Even with Black ICE defender installed... someone eventually hacked their
> way through the software firewall and (listen to this) gave themselves
FULL
> administrator permission and made all of my drives shared drives. This
> means that someone could access everything on my computer. The hacker did
> this even after I had disabled sharing on my system... AND I had a
software
> firewall installed.
>
> To fix this problem... I installed a $150 router from Best buy and now I
get
> zero (that's right... ZERO) hits a day (I still have the software firewall
> installed behind the router).
>
> Second Case in point:
>
> A friend of mine just had cox at home installed on his computer. I
> recommended that he purchase at least a software firewall. After one
week,
> he finally installed one. Guess what? In one week without a software
> firewall he had the sub-seven virus (which gives a hacker full access to
> your computer). He just went out and purchased a router and installed it.
>
> For those of you who think that hackers are only interested in large
> corporation computers... or that protection software is unnecessary...
think
> again. If you're online any length of time at all... you can bet that
> someone has tried to hack into your computer. If you're online full time
> via a permanent connection, and you don't have at least a software
firewall
> such as Black ICE defender... your computer is likely already hacked into
> and open to the world to see whatever you have on it... delete your
files...
> format your hard disk... whatever they want to do.
>
> Bottom line:
>
> If you want at least SOME protection from Hackers... purchase a software
> firewall.
> If you want Decent protection from Hackers... purchase a hardware
firewall
> (Router).
> If you want absolute protection from Hackers... don't EVER get on the
> internet; Nothing and I mean NOTHING is hack proof if someone wants into
> your computer bad enough.
>
> I too am a "Techie" (Graduate degree in Electrical Engineering)... if
anyone
> has any questions, please feel free to write to me. Installing a hardware
> firewall is really quite easy, and I'd be happy to help anyone who may
want
> some advice.
>
> Whatever you do... at least recognize that your computer is vulnerable and
> take some precautions to prevent unauthorized access. Failure to do so
may
> jeopardize the integrity of your computer system.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Pavlich [mailto:brian.pavlich@i...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:24 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
> >
> >
> > Being a programmer and techie, I can tell you this stuff is mostly
> > "scare-ware". Other machines can send requests to every port on your
> > computer harmlessly all day and unless there is a service or program
> > listening there to do something with these requests, nothing
> > happens. A
> > "hacker" cannot do anything via simple port requests to a
> > machine unless
> > they have a "trojan-horse" program that is running on your PC
> > listening for
> > these requests.
> >
> > The real use in these types of firewalls are to catch
> > requests that LEAVE
> > your computer without your knowledge, such as when a
> > "trojan-horse" program
> > kicks off and trys to "phone-home" to the hackers PC or
> > website. There are a
> > few programs out there that also send statistics or other info to the
> > company's home computer when you run them. For example,
> > Internet Explorer
> > checks in with MS periodically to see if there are any new
> > things that they
> > think you need.
> >
> > These are the programs that you would want to be notified of.
> > When you run
> > that new "joke" program that someone sends you will be able
> > to see that its
> > trying to send your info to someone else's PC, possibly so
> > that they can
> > come back later and poke around via the new backdoor.. Normal
> > "PING", and
> > "FTP" type outside requests are nothing to worry about and
> > come with the
> > network - its not necesarrily anyone trying to access your machine.
> >
> > - Brian (Zoner)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:44 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
> >
> >
> > I installed this firewall on my computer, best free piece of software
> > I've used. I got so many "PING", "FTP" and other hits from various
> > IP addresses I eventually just set it to not notify me. You'll be
> > surprised how many people are trying to access your machine.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know this is off topic but, I installed a computer firewall
> > > software yesterday (trying to get set up for my Cox@home service
> > > coming) and it picked up some asian computer trying to get into my
> > > computer. I have only been running this software for probably 1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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>
>
>
>
>
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19243 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Computer firewall
More of a problem is you can become a zombie for a DoS attack. This
means that you contribute to a major outage without even being aware you
were violated.
Kevin wrote:
>
> i dont have anything that i dont mind sharing with a hacker on my
> computer...nothing personal. and i bet it makes them feel good to be able
> to easily get into a computer like mine...if i get a harmful virus i will
> just format my HD..it will probably need it by then anyway
>
> kevin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
> To: <brian.pavlich@i...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
>
> > Absolutely UNTRUE....
> >
> > If you think for one moment that a software firewall is unnecessary "Scare
> > Ware"... you need to think again.
> > No protection via a software or hardware firewall means that someone WILL
> > gain access your computer if you connect to the internet.
> >
> > If YOU leave your computer online via a cable modem or DSL or other
> > permanently online connection and you don't install at LEAST a software
> > firewall (a hardware firewall via a router is more secure) you WILL end up
> > with people accessing your computer without your knowledge... GUARANTEED!
> >
> > Case in point:
> >
> > I installed Network ICE's BlackIce Defender (Software firewall). Via Cox
> at
> > home cable modem connection, I was averaging 30 or so "attacks" on my
> system
> > a DAY!!! Out of these 30 or so "attacks", 10 or so PER DAY were valid
> > attempts to violate my computer system via Trojan horse programs such as
> the
> > sub-seven virus and PC Anywhere probes.
> > Even with Black ICE defender installed... someone eventually hacked their
> > way through the software firewall and (listen to this) gave themselves
> FULL
> > administrator permission and made all of my drives shared drives. This
> > means that someone could access everything on my computer. The hacker did
> > this even after I had disabled sharing on my system... AND I had a
> software
> > firewall installed.
> >
> > To fix this problem... I installed a $150 router from Best buy and now I
> get
> > zero (that's right... ZERO) hits a day (I still have the software firewall
> > installed behind the router).
> >
> > Second Case in point:
> >
> > A friend of mine just had cox at home installed on his computer. I
> > recommended that he purchase at least a software firewall. After one
> week,
> > he finally installed one. Guess what? In one week without a software
> > firewall he had the sub-seven virus (which gives a hacker full access to
> > your computer). He just went out and purchased a router and installed it.
> >
> > For those of you who think that hackers are only interested in large
> > corporation computers... or that protection software is unnecessary...
> think
> > again. If you're online any length of time at all... you can bet that
> > someone has tried to hack into your computer. If you're online full time
> > via a permanent connection, and you don't have at least a software
> firewall
> > such as Black ICE defender... your computer is likely already hacked into
> > and open to the world to see whatever you have on it... delete your
> files...
> > format your hard disk... whatever they want to do.
> >
> > Bottom line:
> >
> > If you want at least SOME protection from Hackers... purchase a software
> > firewall.
> > If you want Decent protection from Hackers... purchase a hardware
> firewall
> > (Router).
> > If you want absolute protection from Hackers... don't EVER get on the
> > internet; Nothing and I mean NOTHING is hack proof if someone wants into
> > your computer bad enough.
> >
> > I too am a "Techie" (Graduate degree in Electrical Engineering)... if
> anyone
> > has any questions, please feel free to write to me. Installing a hardware
> > firewall is really quite easy, and I'd be happy to help anyone who may
> want
> > some advice.
> >
> > Whatever you do... at least recognize that your computer is vulnerable and
> > take some precautions to prevent unauthorized access. Failure to do so
> may
> > jeopardize the integrity of your computer system.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brian Pavlich [mailto:brian.pavlich@i...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:24 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
> > >
> > >
> > > Being a programmer and techie, I can tell you this stuff is mostly
> > > "scare-ware". Other machines can send requests to every port on your
> > > computer harmlessly all day and unless there is a service or program
> > > listening there to do something with these requests, nothing
> > > happens. A
> > > "hacker" cannot do anything via simple port requests to a
> > > machine unless
> > > they have a "trojan-horse" program that is running on your PC
> > > listening for
> > > these requests.
> > >
> > > The real use in these types of firewalls are to catch
> > > requests that LEAVE
> > > your computer without your knowledge, such as when a
> > > "trojan-horse" program
> > > kicks off and trys to "phone-home" to the hackers PC or
> > > website. There are a
> > > few programs out there that also send statistics or other info to the
> > > company's home computer when you run them. For example,
> > > Internet Explorer
> > > checks in with MS periodically to see if there are any new
> > > things that they
> > > think you need.
> > >
> > > These are the programs that you would want to be notified of.
> > > When you run
> > > that new "joke" program that someone sends you will be able
> > > to see that its
> > > trying to send your info to someone else's PC, possibly so
> > > that they can
> > > come back later and poke around via the new backdoor.. Normal
> > > "PING", and
> > > "FTP" type outside requests are nothing to worry about and
> > > come with the
> > > network - its not necesarrily anyone trying to access your machine.
> > >
> > > - Brian (Zoner)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:44 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
> > >
> > >
> > > I installed this firewall on my computer, best free piece of software
> > > I've used. I got so many "PING", "FTP" and other hits from various
> > > IP addresses I eventually just set it to not notify me. You'll be
> > > surprised how many people are trying to access your machine.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know this is off topic but, I installed a computer firewall
> > > > software yesterday (trying to get set up for my Cox@home service
> > > > coming) and it picked up some asian computer trying to get into my
> > > > computer. I have only been running this software for probably 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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find that they very rarely lose or fail.
19244 From: <davisrandy2@n...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 7:26pm
Subject: YJ Cage
HI All
Randy here,i just got my cage back from o-r fab today
all nice and powder coated black.the cage fits nice and
tight and looks real good,i don't know what there going
to cost but it will be worth it.the side bars have a weak
spot at the welds as both of mine were cracked at this
spot.if anyone has any questions about the cage just
e-mail me
Randy 90 Black YJ Locked & Lifted
And now caged
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19220 From: Roger Tomas <tomasr@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 0:38pm
Subject: Re: sycamore creek friday meeting time and place
If you're talking about Friday as in *tomorrow* (2/23), you better check
for weather forecast again. The forecasts on the Ch. 5, 10 and 15 news
at noon today all called for rain.
-Roger
Rob Williams wrote:
>
> Okay for those that want to go to Sycamore Friday, if you live on the east side we will be meeting up at the On the Run on the Southeast corner of Power and Southern at about 8:45. I want to leave there at 9:00 and get up to sycamore around 9:30-9:45 we will wait at the Sycamore/Beeline Trailhead until about 10:00 - 10:15. I don't have a CB, but those who do we'll be on the standard channel 4, so if you are running late, let us know and we can wait. As for Blair, I hope you are comming, so if you need to go a little later we can work something out! The weather should be nice, so I will be open, I am bringing my top just in case!! :) See you guys tomorrow!!! -Rob
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19221 From: Scott Thomas <sthomas@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 0:51pm
Subject: RE: sycamore creek friday meeting time and place
The weather channel web page isn't calling for rain till at least Sunday and
then again on Tuesday.
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Tomas [mailto:tomasr@a...]
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:38 PM
To: Jeepguy@z...
Cc: Arizona Virtual Jeep Club
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] sycamore creek friday meeting time and place
If you're talking about Friday as in *tomorrow* (2/23), you better check
for weather forecast again. The forecasts on the Ch. 5, 10 and 15 news
at noon today all called for rain.
-Roger
Rob Williams wrote:
>
> Okay for those that want to go to Sycamore Friday, if you live on the east
side we will be meeting up at the On the Run on the Southeast corner of
Power and Southern at about 8:45. I want to leave there at 9:00 and get up
to sycamore around 9:30-9:45 we will wait at the Sycamore/Beeline Trailhead
until about 10:00 - 10:15. I don't have a CB, but those who do we'll be on
the standard channel 4, so if you are running late, let us know and we can
wait. As for Blair, I hope you are comming, so if you need to go a little
later we can work something out! The weather should be nice, so I will be
open, I am bringing my top just in case!! :) See you guys tomorrow!!! -Rob
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19222 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 1:25pm
Subject: Update #1: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
Taking someone's advice, BTW thanks for the ideas, "the squeeky
grease gets the wheel" or something like that; anyway I contacted
corporate office of Big-O via email. Yesterday, I got a call from
corporate promissing to take care of the situation. Plus, I stoped by
the Big-O in Tempe and talked to the manager (Steve), the guy that
sold me the spare, and he said he would contact the owner of the Big-
O, Chandler (Arizona Ave) and put a good word in for me.
Meanwhile I will sit here and wait for the hands of time to turn on
this.
--James
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> At the end of December of '99 I bought 4 chrome mods from Big-O in
> Chandler, the invoice read 15x8 5-4.5. Well, I went to buy a rim
for
> a spare tire Monday at another Big-O and I made sure the guy knew I
> wanted the same offset and rim. I got the spare back and noticed it
> didn't look like the same offset as my other rims. I imediately
> started giving the guy a ration. He went into the shop and grabed
the
> tire calipers and measured the rims on the ground on my TJ, they
were
> 15x7's.
> I dug up my reciept for the four and went to Big-O in Chandler.
Their
> intial reaction is, my rims are rock damaged and they have switched
> ownership since my purchase there (about a week after).
> The manager is going to wait until the newer owner gets in on
Friday
> and ask what he wants to do, although the manager said, the newer
> owner is getting tired of fixing the old owners problems.
> Any suggestions, other than slaming me (I know with Discount I
> wouldn't have had this problem) would be appreciated.
> This is an FYI also, how many of you measured your rims after they
> were installed?
> TIA
>
> --James
19223 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 1:38pm
Subject: Flagstaff wheelin'
Hi all,
I am moving to Flagstaff in April, and I will be looking for some
solid 3-4 trails to run in that area. If anyone knows of some good
trails, or if anyone would be down to do a lil' exploring, let me
know.
Chris M.
87 YJ turd brown
19224 From: Joe Kearney <JoeKPhx@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 1:46pm
Subject: Re: sycamore creek friday
I want to go on the run tomorrow but will an open CJ7 have any problems? I
see the trail rating of 3.5.
It is scheduled to rain starting tonight continuing tomorrow but that would
make it more fun.
Joe K
>From: Jeepguy@z...
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] sycamore creek friday
>Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:52:24 -0000
>
>anyone want to do a run out at sycamore creek on friday? Let me know!
>I want to be out on the trail by 10:00, but have a flexible
>schedule! -Rob
>
>
>
>
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19225 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:07pm
Subject: TJ D35C Axle Upgrade?
So to all the TJ owners who have upgraded their D35C axles, with just
new axles (not new tubes, carriers, etc)...what are you running?
This is a very critical and necessary upgrade for my TJ, so I was
wondering what the best option is.
I have the 4cyl with no engine mods, am running 33s but will be up to
35s in the summer (after some other mods). Also running a
Lockright, and would like to keep it if possible.
I've seen the Super 35 kit, but I already have a locker. I'm not
going to invest in another locker yet, as when I do it will be an ARB
but cannot afford that yet.
What other options are there to replace the D35C with a stronger axle?
Also, what other mods would I have to do, or can it be a straight
replacement.
Any help is appreciated.
Dan
19226 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:11pm
Subject: NEED and FS
I am looking for a piece of Aluminum diamond plate 27 X 36 if anyone has
some they would like to sell.
I replaced the engine in a truck last weekend and if anyone is
interested:
1991 ford 2.3L rebuild able long block - make offer
Fuel injection system from same engine - make offer.
I am stepping up to 33's so will have a set of 5 BFG Muds 32 X 11.5, One
new the other four have better than half tread. 400.00.
480-982-7256
Bob
19227 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:23pm
Subject: FS Jeep and parts
I have a friend that has some items to sell. Please call Larry at
480-983-9972 if interested or need more info.
1983 CJ7 $6500.00
Fiberglass body with tilt front end.
Frame has been blasted and painted.
Six cylinder, Auto trans ( trans rebuilt )
Spring over suspension with 35" tires.
Full cage into frame.
New radiator and battery.
Rear is Ford 9".
A/C compressor for onboard air.
New gas tank
Other items:
4 new Goodyear Wrangler 30 X 9.50 X 15 LT - 75 each
4 Jeep aluminum rims from TJ - 75 each
19228 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:30pm
Subject: test
and for those wondering....yes....there is a quiz so STUDY!
19229 From: <amstaff@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:33pm
Subject: ITEMS FOR SALE
Howdy, folks: Couple items I need to sell.
-- Complete Dana 35C rear axle from a 94 YJ. Drum to drum, 3.55 gears,
working Tracklok, 86,000 miles on unit. Will be removed and available
this weekend. Despite the miles, this rear is in damn good condition.
Make a reasonable offer.
-- Spare D35C axle shafts. I bought these as trail spares from a
fellow member, Joe Larkin. I believe they're from a 97 (or 98) TJ.
Will sell for what I paid: $100.
If interested, contact amstaff@e... or call 480.460.0399.
Dion
19230 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:54pm
Subject: Re: Need a peice of chicken wire
Nick you need to find a better place to keep your chickens even with
that wire they will not have enough room to lay eggs. :)
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Nick Notestine" <nnote@n...>
To: "AzVjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 1:32 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Need a peice of chicken wire
> Does anyone have about a foot and a half square of thin chicken wire? I
> need it to put between my elec. fan and my radiator. I don't really want
to
> get the whole minumim 6 foot roll. I live at Guadalaupe and Dobson.
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
19231 From: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 2:56pm
Subject: New poll for az_vjc
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the
az_vjc group:
Hi all! Who would pay $65 a year for 1
(one) free backcountry recovery/basic-
repair/parts run insurance, within
200mi (two-hundred) one way from
PHX, "gaurranteed service within 6hrs"
and recieve seasonaly (quarterly)
liturature on offroad safty and remote-
backcountry emergancy contact
procedures (i.e., area frequency lists
of repeaters for making free phone
calls using a transciever when the cell
wont work!) and (pending) annual BLM
landuse pass? Please select your
answer. Questions-Comments: e-mail me
at: 4x4resq@m... Thank you for
your responce! jason -SOUTH WEST
OFFROAD RESCUE-
o YES
o NO
o MAYBE
To vote, please visit the following web page:
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Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups
web site listed above.
Thanks!
19232 From: B H <boh105@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:20pm
Subject: towing a cheokee
Hey all,
88 xj, aw4 trans, sye.
I will be towing my xj behind my motor home this weekend should I remove the
rear driveshaft for towing? any specific info to lookout for?
Brian Harmon
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19233 From: Larry Farquhar <lfar@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:39pm
Subject: TJ Lift Installation Help
I received my Rubicon Express 3" lift and track bar this week (great price
from Toybox offroad) for my '01 TJ. If there's anyone who is experienced
with TJ lifts and wants more experience, I'd appreciate the help. How about
a "wrenching" party? I'll buy the pizza, soda, and beer (within reason).
I don't feel 100% comfortable doing it myself. I've been quoted $350 - $400
for ORU to install it. There's no SYE (yet). Any takers? Your place or mine.
Larry Farquhar
'01 TJ
Chandler, AZ
19234 From: <oveson2@j...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 3:58pm
Subject: Re: Need a peice of chicken wire
Many Hardware stores sell it by the foot.
Lyle
--- In az_vjc@y..., "Nick Notestine" <nnote@n...> wrote:
> Does anyone have about a foot and a half square of thin chicken
wire? I
> need it to put between my elec. fan and my radiator. I don't
really want to
> get the whole minumim 6 foot roll. I live at Guadalaupe and Dobson.
> Nick
19235 From: <msa12171@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 4:35pm
Subject: FS: new 2000 TJ top
I have a friend that has a brand new top in the box for a 2000 TJ.
Spice, no windows (just the top piece). call for price ($250 or so
is my guess) try for less. Rob, at 602-268-8800 M-F 8:00 til 5:00.
Mike
19236 From: linda luik <minihummer@w...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 4:51pm
Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC 2
It looks like the Falkland Islands are still pretty unpopular.
Linda
Jon Loveless wrote:
>
> Actually, it is a photo of the world.
>
> <http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg>
>
> Jon Loveless
> (480) 816-6240
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
19237 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 5:06pm
Subject: Re: TJ Lift Installation Help
I'd be willing to help. I've done the Tera 3 inch lift, but never done an RE
trackbar. I think we should have a wrenching party. I've seen other clubs on
the internet that do this and it works out for not only the experienced, but
also the unexperienced. They can learn for the time when they do their own.
BTW - I'm also in Chandler
Chris K
> From: "Larry Farquhar" <lfar@h...>
> Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2001 16:39:00 -0700
> To: "Az_Vjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [az_vjc] TJ Lift Installation Help
>
> I received my Rubicon Express 3" lift and track bar this week (great price
> from Toybox offroad) for my '01 TJ. If there's anyone who is experienced
> with TJ lifts and wants more experience, I'd appreciate the help. How about
> a "wrenching" party? I'll buy the pizza, soda, and beer (within reason).
>
> I don't feel 100% comfortable doing it myself. I've been quoted $350 - $400
> for ORU to install it. There's no SYE (yet). Any takers? Your place or mine.
>
> Larry Farquhar
> '01 TJ
> Chandler, AZ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
19238 From: Larry T. <lwt002@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:01pm
Subject: Re: TJ Lift Installation Help
Larry / Chris -
Are we taking about this weekend or next? This weekend might be kind
of tough. If we were talking about next weekend I would be willing to
host the Wrenchin' party. I've got plenty of room and air too. We
could even get Christian to help, he and I installed my RE kit.
Anyway, let me know.
The other Larry
19239 From: <cmandrick@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:24pm
Subject: JEEP WINCH AND IGNITION CUT-OFF
I want a winch for my Jeep. If anyone has one for sale or can put me
in the right direction to find a reasonable offer, please drop me a
line. Also, I am curious if any members are running an ignition kill
as an anti-theft measure. I would like to install one in my Jeep, as
I will not have a garage when I move next month.
TIA,
Chris M.
87 YJ turd brown
19240 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:30pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Computer firewall
I've been on Cox for a couple of years. When I first got on it was
amazing the amount of people that had their drives open to the outside
world. My wasn't since I had closed it down and was running NT.
Shortly after I started with Cox I installed a Linux based
firewall/masqurade server. It has been hacked once. At the time it was
hacked I kept telling myself that I needed to upgrade it to the latest
release, I was running a 2.0.38 kernel system and at the time they were
up at 2.2.10. I'm now running the newer system and have set a couple up
for other people. One of the people I set it up for met someone on a
chat group that claimed he could be into it in 5 minutes, The person
never got in and commented on how secure it was.
I'm trying to make a couple points here. First if you what ever you use
for a firewall you need to keep it current with all the latest patchs or
you become vulnerable. The second point is that putting something in
front of your main machine is the best way to go. First they have to
get into your firewall before they can even attempt to access your main
machine. The final point is that windows is the least secure option
available even with the bandaid firewall software. Start with something
that is basicly secure like Unix, Linux or the new DSL/Cable Routers and
then tighten it up from there then when you think you have it tight got
to places like Shields up to get external scans and get friends that
have unix machines run NMAP scans against your firewall to see if you
missed anything.
If anyone wants a port scan of their machine send me a private email and
I'll run NMAP on it an let you know the results. NMAP will pickup
things that Shields up misses.
Joe W wrote:
>
> Absolutely UNTRUE....
>
> If you think for one moment that a software firewall is unnecessary "Scare
> Ware"... you need to think again.
> No protection via a software or hardware firewall means that someone WILL
> gain access your computer if you connect to the internet.
>
> If YOU leave your computer online via a cable modem or DSL or other
> permanently online connection and you don't install at LEAST a software
> firewall (a hardware firewall via a router is more secure) you WILL end up
> with people accessing your computer without your knowledge... GUARANTEED!
>
> Case in point:
>
> I installed Network ICE's BlackIce Defender (Software firewall). Via Cox at
> home cable modem connection, I was averaging 30 or so "attacks" on my system
> a DAY!!! Out of these 30 or so "attacks", 10 or so PER DAY were valid
> attempts to violate my computer system via Trojan horse programs such as the
> sub-seven virus and PC Anywhere probes.
> Even with Black ICE defender installed... someone eventually hacked their
> way through the software firewall and (listen to this) gave themselves FULL
> administrator permission and made all of my drives shared drives. This
> means that someone could access everything on my computer. The hacker did
> this even after I had disabled sharing on my system... AND I had a software
> firewall installed.
>
> To fix this problem... I installed a $150 router from Best buy and now I get
> zero (that's right... ZERO) hits a day (I still have the software firewall
> installed behind the router).
>
> Second Case in point:
>
> A friend of mine just had cox at home installed on his computer. I
> recommended that he purchase at least a software firewall. After one week,
> he finally installed one. Guess what? In one week without a software
> firewall he had the sub-seven virus (which gives a hacker full access to
> your computer). He just went out and purchased a router and installed it.
>
> For those of you who think that hackers are only interested in large
> corporation computers... or that protection software is unnecessary... think
> again. If you're online any length of time at all... you can bet that
> someone has tried to hack into your computer. If you're online full time
> via a permanent connection, and you don't have at least a software firewall
> such as Black ICE defender... your computer is likely already hacked into
> and open to the world to see whatever you have on it... delete your files...
> format your hard disk... whatever they want to do.
>
> Bottom line:
>
> If you want at least SOME protection from Hackers... purchase a software
> firewall.
> If you want Decent protection from Hackers... purchase a hardware firewall
> (Router).
> If you want absolute protection from Hackers... don't EVER get on the
> internet; Nothing and I mean NOTHING is hack proof if someone wants into
> your computer bad enough.
>
> I too am a "Techie" (Graduate degree in Electrical Engineering)... if anyone
> has any questions, please feel free to write to me. Installing a hardware
> firewall is really quite easy, and I'd be happy to help anyone who may want
> some advice.
>
> Whatever you do... at least recognize that your computer is vulnerable and
> take some precautions to prevent unauthorized access. Failure to do so may
> jeopardize the integrity of your computer system.
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe West
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
19241 From: Kevin <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:54pm
Subject: Re: RE: OT: Computer firewall
hmmmm....im not a hacker.
kevin
college student.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bryan Loveless" <bryan.loveless@n...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 9:33 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] RE: OT: Computer firewall
> Yeah, we all know how ALL hackers are in college and have NOTHING better
to
> do than hack other people's machines all day.... and dont forget the
> drinking, drug use, and rampent fornication too!
>
> --Bryan
> bryan.loveless@n...
>
> College student,
> Network administrator for NAU,
> Residential Computing Consultant,
> Avid Jeep fan.
>
>
> >Message: 8
> > Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2001 16:18:23 -0700
> > From: "......>
> >Subject: RE: OT: Computer firewall
> >
> <SNIP>
> >If you are interested
> >in tracking the hackers look for the .edu hits
> <snip>
> >(name withheld)
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
19242 From: Kevin <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 6:58pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Computer firewall
i dont have anything that i dont mind sharing with a hacker on my
computer...nothing personal. and i bet it makes them feel good to be able
to easily get into a computer like mine...if i get a harmful virus i will
just format my HD..it will probably need it by then anyway
kevin
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
To: <brian.pavlich@i...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:01 AM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
> Absolutely UNTRUE....
>
> If you think for one moment that a software firewall is unnecessary "Scare
> Ware"... you need to think again.
> No protection via a software or hardware firewall means that someone WILL
> gain access your computer if you connect to the internet.
>
> If YOU leave your computer online via a cable modem or DSL or other
> permanently online connection and you don't install at LEAST a software
> firewall (a hardware firewall via a router is more secure) you WILL end up
> with people accessing your computer without your knowledge... GUARANTEED!
>
> Case in point:
>
> I installed Network ICE's BlackIce Defender (Software firewall). Via Cox
at
> home cable modem connection, I was averaging 30 or so "attacks" on my
system
> a DAY!!! Out of these 30 or so "attacks", 10 or so PER DAY were valid
> attempts to violate my computer system via Trojan horse programs such as
the
> sub-seven virus and PC Anywhere probes.
> Even with Black ICE defender installed... someone eventually hacked their
> way through the software firewall and (listen to this) gave themselves
FULL
> administrator permission and made all of my drives shared drives. This
> means that someone could access everything on my computer. The hacker did
> this even after I had disabled sharing on my system... AND I had a
software
> firewall installed.
>
> To fix this problem... I installed a $150 router from Best buy and now I
get
> zero (that's right... ZERO) hits a day (I still have the software firewall
> installed behind the router).
>
> Second Case in point:
>
> A friend of mine just had cox at home installed on his computer. I
> recommended that he purchase at least a software firewall. After one
week,
> he finally installed one. Guess what? In one week without a software
> firewall he had the sub-seven virus (which gives a hacker full access to
> your computer). He just went out and purchased a router and installed it.
>
> For those of you who think that hackers are only interested in large
> corporation computers... or that protection software is unnecessary...
think
> again. If you're online any length of time at all... you can bet that
> someone has tried to hack into your computer. If you're online full time
> via a permanent connection, and you don't have at least a software
firewall
> such as Black ICE defender... your computer is likely already hacked into
> and open to the world to see whatever you have on it... delete your
files...
> format your hard disk... whatever they want to do.
>
> Bottom line:
>
> If you want at least SOME protection from Hackers... purchase a software
> firewall.
> If you want Decent protection from Hackers... purchase a hardware
firewall
> (Router).
> If you want absolute protection from Hackers... don't EVER get on the
> internet; Nothing and I mean NOTHING is hack proof if someone wants into
> your computer bad enough.
>
> I too am a "Techie" (Graduate degree in Electrical Engineering)... if
anyone
> has any questions, please feel free to write to me. Installing a hardware
> firewall is really quite easy, and I'd be happy to help anyone who may
want
> some advice.
>
> Whatever you do... at least recognize that your computer is vulnerable and
> take some precautions to prevent unauthorized access. Failure to do so
may
> jeopardize the integrity of your computer system.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Joe West
>
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Brian Pavlich [mailto:brian.pavlich@i...]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:24 PM
> > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
> >
> >
> > Being a programmer and techie, I can tell you this stuff is mostly
> > "scare-ware". Other machines can send requests to every port on your
> > computer harmlessly all day and unless there is a service or program
> > listening there to do something with these requests, nothing
> > happens. A
> > "hacker" cannot do anything via simple port requests to a
> > machine unless
> > they have a "trojan-horse" program that is running on your PC
> > listening for
> > these requests.
> >
> > The real use in these types of firewalls are to catch
> > requests that LEAVE
> > your computer without your knowledge, such as when a
> > "trojan-horse" program
> > kicks off and trys to "phone-home" to the hackers PC or
> > website. There are a
> > few programs out there that also send statistics or other info to the
> > company's home computer when you run them. For example,
> > Internet Explorer
> > checks in with MS periodically to see if there are any new
> > things that they
> > think you need.
> >
> > These are the programs that you would want to be notified of.
> > When you run
> > that new "joke" program that someone sends you will be able
> > to see that its
> > trying to send your info to someone else's PC, possibly so
> > that they can
> > come back later and poke around via the new backdoor.. Normal
> > "PING", and
> > "FTP" type outside requests are nothing to worry about and
> > come with the
> > network - its not necesarrily anyone trying to access your machine.
> >
> > - Brian (Zoner)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:44 PM
> > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
> >
> >
> > I installed this firewall on my computer, best free piece of software
> > I've used. I got so many "PING", "FTP" and other hits from various
> > IP addresses I eventually just set it to not notify me. You'll be
> > surprised how many people are trying to access your machine.
> >
> > --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > >
> > > I know this is off topic but, I installed a computer firewall
> > > software yesterday (trying to get set up for my Cox@home service
> > > coming) and it picked up some asian computer trying to get into my
> > > computer. I have only been running this software for probably 1
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
>
19243 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 7:22pm
Subject: Re: Re: OT: Computer firewall
More of a problem is you can become a zombie for a DoS attack. This
means that you contribute to a major outage without even being aware you
were violated.
Kevin wrote:
>
> i dont have anything that i dont mind sharing with a hacker on my
> computer...nothing personal. and i bet it makes them feel good to be able
> to easily get into a computer like mine...if i get a harmful virus i will
> just format my HD..it will probably need it by then anyway
>
> kevin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
> To: <brian.pavlich@i...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 10:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
>
> > Absolutely UNTRUE....
> >
> > If you think for one moment that a software firewall is unnecessary "Scare
> > Ware"... you need to think again.
> > No protection via a software or hardware firewall means that someone WILL
> > gain access your computer if you connect to the internet.
> >
> > If YOU leave your computer online via a cable modem or DSL or other
> > permanently online connection and you don't install at LEAST a software
> > firewall (a hardware firewall via a router is more secure) you WILL end up
> > with people accessing your computer without your knowledge... GUARANTEED!
> >
> > Case in point:
> >
> > I installed Network ICE's BlackIce Defender (Software firewall). Via Cox
> at
> > home cable modem connection, I was averaging 30 or so "attacks" on my
> system
> > a DAY!!! Out of these 30 or so "attacks", 10 or so PER DAY were valid
> > attempts to violate my computer system via Trojan horse programs such as
> the
> > sub-seven virus and PC Anywhere probes.
> > Even with Black ICE defender installed... someone eventually hacked their
> > way through the software firewall and (listen to this) gave themselves
> FULL
> > administrator permission and made all of my drives shared drives. This
> > means that someone could access everything on my computer. The hacker did
> > this even after I had disabled sharing on my system... AND I had a
> software
> > firewall installed.
> >
> > To fix this problem... I installed a $150 router from Best buy and now I
> get
> > zero (that's right... ZERO) hits a day (I still have the software firewall
> > installed behind the router).
> >
> > Second Case in point:
> >
> > A friend of mine just had cox at home installed on his computer. I
> > recommended that he purchase at least a software firewall. After one
> week,
> > he finally installed one. Guess what? In one week without a software
> > firewall he had the sub-seven virus (which gives a hacker full access to
> > your computer). He just went out and purchased a router and installed it.
> >
> > For those of you who think that hackers are only interested in large
> > corporation computers... or that protection software is unnecessary...
> think
> > again. If you're online any length of time at all... you can bet that
> > someone has tried to hack into your computer. If you're online full time
> > via a permanent connection, and you don't have at least a software
> firewall
> > such as Black ICE defender... your computer is likely already hacked into
> > and open to the world to see whatever you have on it... delete your
> files...
> > format your hard disk... whatever they want to do.
> >
> > Bottom line:
> >
> > If you want at least SOME protection from Hackers... purchase a software
> > firewall.
> > If you want Decent protection from Hackers... purchase a hardware
> firewall
> > (Router).
> > If you want absolute protection from Hackers... don't EVER get on the
> > internet; Nothing and I mean NOTHING is hack proof if someone wants into
> > your computer bad enough.
> >
> > I too am a "Techie" (Graduate degree in Electrical Engineering)... if
> anyone
> > has any questions, please feel free to write to me. Installing a hardware
> > firewall is really quite easy, and I'd be happy to help anyone who may
> want
> > some advice.
> >
> > Whatever you do... at least recognize that your computer is vulnerable and
> > take some precautions to prevent unauthorized access. Failure to do so
> may
> > jeopardize the integrity of your computer system.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Joe West
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Brian Pavlich [mailto:brian.pavlich@i...]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 4:24 PM
> > > To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
> > >
> > >
> > > Being a programmer and techie, I can tell you this stuff is mostly
> > > "scare-ware". Other machines can send requests to every port on your
> > > computer harmlessly all day and unless there is a service or program
> > > listening there to do something with these requests, nothing
> > > happens. A
> > > "hacker" cannot do anything via simple port requests to a
> > > machine unless
> > > they have a "trojan-horse" program that is running on your PC
> > > listening for
> > > these requests.
> > >
> > > The real use in these types of firewalls are to catch
> > > requests that LEAVE
> > > your computer without your knowledge, such as when a
> > > "trojan-horse" program
> > > kicks off and trys to "phone-home" to the hackers PC or
> > > website. There are a
> > > few programs out there that also send statistics or other info to the
> > > company's home computer when you run them. For example,
> > > Internet Explorer
> > > checks in with MS periodically to see if there are any new
> > > things that they
> > > think you need.
> > >
> > > These are the programs that you would want to be notified of.
> > > When you run
> > > that new "joke" program that someone sends you will be able
> > > to see that its
> > > trying to send your info to someone else's PC, possibly so
> > > that they can
> > > come back later and poke around via the new backdoor.. Normal
> > > "PING", and
> > > "FTP" type outside requests are nothing to worry about and
> > > come with the
> > > network - its not necesarrily anyone trying to access your machine.
> > >
> > > - Brian (Zoner)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2001 3:44 PM
> > > Subject: [az_vjc] Re: OT: Computer firewall
> > >
> > >
> > > I installed this firewall on my computer, best free piece of software
> > > I've used. I got so many "PING", "FTP" and other hits from various
> > > IP addresses I eventually just set it to not notify me. You'll be
> > > surprised how many people are trying to access your machine.
> > >
> > > --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I know this is off topic but, I installed a computer firewall
> > > > software yesterday (trying to get set up for my Cox@home service
> > > > coming) and it picked up some asian computer trying to get into my
> > > > computer. I have only been running this software for probably 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
> > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
--
Leonard K. Pennock
Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.
19244 From: <davisrandy2@n...>
Date: Thu Feb 22, 2001 7:26pm
Subject: YJ Cage
HI All
Randy here,i just got my cage back from o-r fab today
all nice and powder coated black.the cage fits nice and
tight and looks real good,i don't know what there going
to cost but it will be worth it.the side bars have a weak
spot at the welds as both of mine were cracked at this
spot.if anyone has any questions about the cage just
e-mail me
Randy 90 Black YJ Locked & Lifted
And now caged
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