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19120 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:27pm
Subject: Bonehead of the day/year award
At the end of December of '99 I bought 4 chrome mods from Big-O in
Chandler, the invoice read 15x8 5-4.5. Well, I went to buy a rim for
a spare tire Monday at another Big-O and I made sure the guy knew I
wanted the same offset and rim. I got the spare back and noticed it
didn't look like the same offset as my other rims. I imediately
started giving the guy a ration. He went into the shop and grabed the
tire calipers and measured the rims on the ground on my TJ, they were
15x7's.
I dug up my reciept for the four and went to Big-O in Chandler. Their
intial reaction is, my rims are rock damaged and they have switched
ownership since my purchase there (about a week after).
The manager is going to wait until the newer owner gets in on Friday
and ask what he wants to do, although the manager said, the newer
owner is getting tired of fixing the old owners problems.
Any suggestions, other than slaming me (I know with Discount I
wouldn't have had this problem) would be appreciated.
This is an FYI also, how many of you measured your rims after they
were installed?
TIA
--James
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19121 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:33pm
Subject: Re: GOOD NEWS!
Done. Thanks for forwarding this to the group.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <jcorley@i...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] GOOD NEWS!
> This was sent to me with the hope that I would send a Thank You to
> President Bush. A thank you might go a long way, so if any one else
> would like to send one, here is all the info.
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
> 97 TJ
> Locked & Lifted
>
>
>
>
> DEAR FRIENDS,
> PRESIDENT BUSH HAS PUT A 60 DAY SUSPENSION ON THE OHV CLOSURES THAT
> CLINTON WAS GOING TO ENACT. BUSH WANT TO RECONSIDER THE CLOSURES.
> THE ASA4WDC WANTS AS MANY OFF ROADERS TO E-MAIL, FAX OR CALL,
> THANKING HIM FOR AT LEAST GIVING IT A SECOND THOUGHT. PLEASE SEND
> THIS TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS.
> THANKS,
>
>
>
> WHITEHOUSE SWITCHBOARD------202-456-1414
>
> FAX------------------------------202-456-2461
>
> E-MAIL---------------------------PRESIDENT@W...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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19122 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 1:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: one more question
91 IS FUEL INJECTED, YOU GUYS FORGOT THE 96 YJ. MY SELF I WOULD GO 91 OR
NEWER. FUEL INJECTION REASONS ONLY.
STEVE
19123 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:57pm
Subject: Re: GOOD NEWS!
For what it's worth to those interested, the correct link is:
PRESIDENT@W...
----- Original Message -----
From: <jcorley@i...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] GOOD NEWS!
> This was sent to me with the hope that I would send a Thank You to
> President Bush. A thank you might go a long way, so if any one else
> would like to send one, here is all the info.
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
> 97 TJ
> Locked & Lifted
>
>
>
>
> DEAR FRIENDS,
> PRESIDENT BUSH HAS PUT A 60 DAY SUSPENSION ON THE OHV CLOSURES THAT
> CLINTON WAS GOING TO ENACT. BUSH WANT TO RECONSIDER THE CLOSURES.
> THE ASA4WDC WANTS AS MANY OFF ROADERS TO E-MAIL, FAX OR CALL,
> THANKING HIM FOR AT LEAST GIVING IT A SECOND THOUGHT. PLEASE SEND
> THIS TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS.
> THANKS,
>
>
>
> WHITEHOUSE SWITCHBOARD------202-456-1414
>
> FAX------------------------------202-456-2461
>
> E-MAIL---------------------------PRESIDENT@W...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
>
>
19124 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 1:57pm
Subject: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
"THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE"
19125 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 2:11pm
Subject: Fwd: 5 point seat belts
From: Flatfenderman@a...
Full-name: Flatfenderman
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:11:15 EST
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 5 point seat belts
To: sthomas@a...
I welded a bar across the main loop of my roll cage just below my shoulder
height to attach my harness to. I also tied my seat mounts to the cage along
with all the seat belt mounts. That way the jeep can actually tear away from
the cage without cutting me in half. That's how its done in race cars.
Hope this helps,
Chris
www.azrocks.alloffroad.com
19126 From: <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:15pm
Subject: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
I hope you know that with discount this wouldn't have happened. ;-) I
would definatly say to keep after them it is that store's problem not
the preivous owner's problem. If you need I am shure that we could
get a bit of an e-mail canpaign going because this is total bull. I
might be interested in your old wheels I like the narrow wheels. What
offset are they?
John
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> At the end of December of '99 I bought 4 chrome mods from Big-O in
> Chandler, the invoice read 15x8 5-4.5. Well, I went to buy a rim
for
> a spare tire Monday at another Big-O and I made sure the guy knew I
> wanted the same offset and rim. I got the spare back and noticed it
> didn't look like the same offset as my other rims. I imediately
> started giving the guy a ration. He went into the shop and grabed
the
> tire calipers and measured the rims on the ground on my TJ, they
were
> 15x7's.
> I dug up my reciept for the four and went to Big-O in Chandler.
Their
> intial reaction is, my rims are rock damaged and they have switched
> ownership since my purchase there (about a week after).
> The manager is going to wait until the newer owner gets in on
Friday
> and ask what he wants to do, although the manager said, the newer
> owner is getting tired of fixing the old owners problems.
> Any suggestions, other than slaming me (I know with Discount I
> wouldn't have had this problem) would be appreciated.
> This is an FYI also, how many of you measured your rims after they
> were installed?
> TIA
>
> --James
19127 From: chris richardson <tcr11087@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:27pm
Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
Cherokee's are great 4-wheelin and around town
jeeps. The only drawback is that if you do alot of 4+
trails and have more than 3" of lift, the unibody will
split and tear. These are a lot harder to repair than
a frame. I enjoyed my cherokee. I'll probably buy
another one.
Chris R in tucson
--- James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> A guy I know is selling his '94 Cherokee Sport,
> 31's, 4Dr, auto,
> AC,... 4.0L HO with either a 3" Procomp or Rancho
> suspension lift,
> 108K miles, no scratches on it, $9000.
> I want to get rid of our '98 Astro and buy it. Does
> anybody have any
> thoughts of comments about this year/model/price/or
> whatever. The guy
> wants to get rid of it because he is affraid if he
> four wheels in it,
> the paint will get scratched, (this would change if
> it was mine or my
> should I say my wife's).
> TIA
>
> --James
>
>
>
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19128 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 2:36pm
Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
umm DISAGREE.....my XJ is lifted 8", and has 33's and lockrights front and
rear....now I dont know what "alot" of 4+ trails means but I have done both
terminators numerous times, predator,upper woodpecker,martinez,....no
problems at all with the body!!! In fact no problems at all concerning the
body caused by 4+ trails...comfortable, gets 15mpg with 4.56 gears, can sleep
in it, hold all of the groceries and it flexes quite well.....BUY THE
CHEROKEE!!! I love mine as I am sure all of the other XJ owners do!!!
http://hometown.aol.com/flexyxj/myhomepage/profile.html take a look...the XJ
is quite a trail vehicle.......just my .02 cents worth
FLEXYXJ@aol.com
19129 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 2:42pm
Subject: MDA Jamboree Canceled
Updated info: MDA canceled the Jamboree. Officially they say we're "too
dangerous"............ "Unofficially" our money is not green enough. At the
last MDA meeting on the 7th Mike was frustrated because no one had picked up
the "major sponsorship..... $7,000.00". 4-Wheeler Supply was going for the
$3500.00 or $4000.00 and Earnhardt the $1000.00 but that obviously wasn't
enough. Mike wanted us to "move it out a few months" so we could maybe get
sponsors. When we said that was impossible he started hemming and hawing
about "too dangerous," "not big enough profit" etc........... His final
proposal was: "ASA do the Jamboree WITHOUT MDA's name or sponsorship.......
and then write them a check"! Those of us at the meeting simply said he
needed to get an answer by the next day so we could go to the delegate
meeting with firm information. He called Friday afternoon and announced
corporate MDA (as well as his boss) "did not want to continue". He didn't
care much that a lot of people had done A LOT of work so
far..................
Anyway, it's off. Have had suggestions to maybe approach March of Dimes or
Special Olympics for next year............... maybe a Jamboree in
combination with a "24 hour marathon of 4-wheeling"......... We'll see.
When I get through the Convention and Show Me Run I'll look into it.
All I know.
Sandee
19130 From: James Junkin <jjunkin@p...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: one more question
There wasn't a 96 YJ. They just produced a bunch on YJ's at the end of the 95 run and brought out the 97 TJ early in 97.
James Junkin
O||||||O
'81 SJ Cherokee "Midnight" 4" Skyjacker, 33x12.5 BFG AT's, Warn XD9000, etc
'98 TJ Teraflexed, ARB's, BFG 35x12.5 MT's, etc, etc.
'97 TJ "Loong" Term Project----- Original Message -----
From: ba914@aol.com
To: jay@toyboxoffroad.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: one more question
91 IS FUEL INJECTED, YOU GUYS FORGOT THE 96 YJ. MY SELF I WOULD GO 91 OR
NEWER. FUEL INJECTION REASONS ONLY.
STEVE
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19131 From: Greg Stapley <love24wheel@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:01pm
Subject: predator
You think my YJ could do predator..? You have seen it in action, what do you think? I am thinking of trying it this weekend or next..
Late
Greg
>From: FLEXYXJ@aol.com
>To: tcr11087@yahoo.com, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, arizonaXJ@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:36:15 EST
>
>umm DISAGREE.....my XJ is lifted 8", and has 33's and lockrights front and
>rear....now I dont know what "alot" of 4+ trails means but I have done both
>terminators numerous times, predator,upper woodpecker,martinez,....no
>problems at all with the body!!! In fact no problems at all concerning the
>body caused by 4+ trails...comfortable, gets 15mpg with 4.56 gears, can sleep
>in it, hold all of the groceries and it flexes quite well.....BUY THE
>CHEROKEE!!! I love mine as I am sure all of the other XJ owners do!!!
>http://hometown.aol.com/flexyxj/myhomepage/profile.html take a look...the XJ
>is quite a trail vehicle.......just my .02 cents worth
>
>
> FLEXYXJ@aol.com
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19132 From: <aedodger@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:05pm
Subject: WANTED: Stock TJ Bumper
I need a STOCK TJ BUMPER for a fair price.
Heres the story that goes with the request:
Well today I got into a car accident. It was pretty minor and
everyone was ok. I am very thankful for that. I am also thankful
that I was driving a Jeep otherwise I think things might have been
much worse. But my front bumper got smashed. Instead of buying a
new
one from the dealer or having the body shop try and straighten it out
I thought I would ask. Somebody has got to have one laying around.
If I could find one in Tucson that would be all the better. TIA
AARON
97 TJ
520-991-7703
aedodger@h...
19133 From: <glennardskinnard@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:29pm
Subject: WANT TO GO ON A RUN 24TH OR 25TH
ME AND MY WIFE WOULD LIKE TO GO ON A RUN SOMEWHERE AROUND BOX CANYON
OR ANY WHERE IN THE EAST VALLY 3.5+
19134 From: mad cow <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:36pm
Subject: Re: Member sighting
dont think i saw you kevin.i kind of remember hearing a noise of some sort.i
will just asume that it was you i heard.
travis(madcow)wall
>From: "Kevin" <nau88xj@h...>
>To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Member sighting
>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:46:42 -0700
>
>ya, i saw you yesterday also travis...at alma school and hwy60....i was in
>teh CJ making the loud noise when i pressed the clutch =)
>
>kevin
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
>To: "Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:18 AM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Member sighting
>
>
> > I think it was Travis Wall. white XJ with the rear painted black.
>Southbound
> > on Val Vista at about 5:30PM. I was the wierdo in the (dare I say it)
>blue
> > minivan gesturing at your AZVJC sticker.
> >
> > Chris K
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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19135 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:38pm
Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
It's perfect ......... Buy it you won't be dissapointed..
Dave 93 XJ.....
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19136 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:42pm
Subject: PS. on buying a Cherokee
Check out Http://ArizonaXJ.Rockcrawler.com
see wat the little Grocriegetters can do.....
Later
Dave
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19137 From: <joey@j...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 9:25pm
Subject: Check Engine Code
Thanks everyone for your help. I now know more than I intended to
ever want to know about the YJ's computer. Well... maybe not. Now
that I know how the thing works somewhat, I understand it much
better. Although the code meanings were accurate I got some mixed
opinions about what to fix and how to reset the computer. The codes
were 12 battery diconnected, 33 AC problems, 21 O2 Sensor problems,
22 engine coolant temp sensor problem, 51 O2 senses air fuel mix
lean, and 55 end of codes.
This is how I started correcting the problems. I have checked all
wiring and connections including the fuses and battery/alt. voltages.
Changing the O2 sensor removed the 51 condition but the rest of the
codes still remain. Next I will be replacing the coolant temp.
sensor.
About reseting the computer. That is preaty simple. First when you
install a new electronic emission control component you must clear
the codes before starting the engine. For 91 - 95 just disconnect the
+ battery terminal for more than 15 seconds. After starting the
engine you may have eratic engine response for a bit while the
computer relearns the engines operating parameters. ***On 97 and
newer I read that you should not disconnect the battery you must have
the computer cleared with a SCAN tool or by the dealer or qualified
repair facility after the system has been repaired.***
I will let you know how the Temp sensor helps after I save enough
lunch money to buy one.
Joey K
ailing 93YJ
19138 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 9:45pm
Subject: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
In defense of Big O, Tara and I have bought numerous wheels and tires
from Steve at the Big O on Rural/Broadway, with absolutely zero
problems. When I take shredded tires in for new ones, all they say
is "Good one!" with a smile, no hassle, quick turn around, and you
don't have to buy another tire certificate. Considering what my
tires look like when they go back in, they are great for not giving
me any flack.
Obviously, there have been bad experiences with Big O, just wanted
anyone in the east valley to know that this location is very
respectable.
I know Big O brand tires probably aren't has good as BFG (although
for the abuse I put them through, they hold up quite well), but I got
my tires/wheels (identical size mud tire, same rim) for over $300
less than what Discount was quoting for their BFG's and same rims.
As usual, your milage may very.
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., trmn8rjn98@a... wrote:
> I hope you know that with discount this wouldn't have happened. ;-)
I
> would definatly say to keep after them it is that store's problem
not
> the preivous owner's problem. If you need I am shure that we could
> get a bit of an e-mail canpaign going because this is total bull. I
> might be interested in your old wheels I like the narrow wheels.
What
> offset are they?
> John
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> >
> > At the end of December of '99 I bought 4 chrome mods from Big-O
in
> > Chandler, the invoice read 15x8 5-4.5. Well, I went to buy a rim
> for
> > a spare tire Monday at another Big-O and I made sure the guy knew
I
> > wanted the same offset and rim. I got the spare back and noticed
it
> > didn't look like the same offset as my other rims. I imediately
> > started giving the guy a ration. He went into the shop and grabed
> the
> > tire calipers and measured the rims on the ground on my TJ, they
> were
> > 15x7's.
> > I dug up my reciept for the four and went to Big-O in Chandler.
> Their
> > intial reaction is, my rims are rock damaged and they have
switched
> > ownership since my purchase there (about a week after).
> > The manager is going to wait until the newer owner gets in on
> Friday
> > and ask what he wants to do, although the manager said, the newer
> > owner is getting tired of fixing the old owners problems.
> > Any suggestions, other than slaming me (I know with Discount I
> > wouldn't have had this problem) would be appreciated.
> > This is an FYI also, how many of you measured your rims after
they
> > were installed?
> > TIA
> >
> > --James
19139 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 11:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: Looking for alignment shops
FWIW....the "laser" guides most shops use will NOT 'see' around the larger
tires, and most of them are too lazy, or not knowledgeable enough to do it
the old-fashioned way!!
---===Ray===---
Daver wrote:
> FLEXYXJ@a... wrote:
> > HMMM NOT TO SOUND RUDE BUT I THINK THAT THEY ARE STROKING YA!!!! YOU
> > ALIGN
> > SUSPENSION NOT TIRES!!!! TIRES WEAR BECAUSE OF ALIGNMENT.......
>
> I understand what you are saying, but my experience has been that most
> shops are not equipped to align a vehicle with 35"+ tires. *shrug*
19140 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 10:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
The Big-O at Main & Mesa Dr. also have a great bunch of folks....
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19141 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:38am
Subject: Re: GOOD NEWS!
In case anyone out there is interested :-)
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19142 From: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 2:53am
Subject: RE: I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
I like my 99XJ too but no way am I getting 15mpg (353's 30X9.5's). Most people I know with Cherokees (4.0) do nothing but ***** about the mileage so I didn't give 13mpg- around town a second thought. Do you have any engine mods???
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: FLEXYXJ@aol.com [mailto:FLEXYXJ@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:36 PM
To: tcr11087@yahoo.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; arizonaXJ@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
umm DISAGREE.....my XJ is lifted 8", and has 33's and lockrights front and
rear....now I dont know what "alot" of 4+ trails means but I have done both
terminators numerous times, predator,upper woodpecker,martinez,....no
problems at all with the body!!! In fact no problems at all concerning the
body caused by 4+ trails...comfortable, gets 15mpg with 4.56 gears, can sleep
in it, hold all of the groceries and it flexes quite well.....BUY THE
CHEROKEE!!! I love mine as I am sure all of the other XJ owners do!!!
http://hometown.aol.com/flexyxj/myhomepage/profile.html take a look...the XJ
is quite a trail vehicle.......just my .02 cents worth
FLEXYXJ@aol.com
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19143 From: <oveson2@j...>
Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:45am
Subject: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
When I bought (5) 15X8 with 3.75 backspace I measured all five of
them at the dealer myself. They were correct but I checked them
because from my experience people do make mistakes. In your case I
would try to work with the dealer. Be nice about it, kindness goes a
long way futher than anger. If the dealer won,t work with you call
the Big-O main office.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> At the end of December of '99 I bought 4 chrome mods from Big-O in
> Chandler, the invoice read 15x8 5-4.5. Well, I went to buy a rim
for
> a spare tire Monday at another Big-O and I made sure the guy knew I
> wanted the same offset and rim. I got the spare back and noticed it
> didn't look like the same offset as my other rims. I imediately
> started giving the guy a ration. He went into the shop and grabed
the
> tire calipers and measured the rims on the ground on my TJ, they
were
> 15x7's.
> I dug up my reciept for the four and went to Big-O in Chandler.
Their
> intial reaction is, my rims are rock damaged and they have switched
> ownership since my purchase there (about a week after).
> The manager is going to wait until the newer owner gets in on
Friday
> and ask what he wants to do, although the manager said, the newer
> owner is getting tired of fixing the old owners problems.
> Any suggestions, other than slaming me (I know with Discount I
> wouldn't have had this problem) would be appreciated.
> This is an FYI also, how many of you measured your rims after they
> were installed?
> TIA
>
> --James
19144 From: <ldoctor1957@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 0:21am
Subject: Re: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
The Big-O on 40th st and Greenway is also an excellent shop. It is owned by
two brothers who are also into wheelin. I have taken 5 tires in to be
replaced in less than a year and when they see me pull in they just laugh and
say " blow another one ok we will order " . I really put these tires through
heck and they tell me if I go through 10,000 tires that is what they will
replace. I wouldnt buy from anyone else. Just my .02 cents .
Jim Lambertus
1990 XJ
Big-O 31 mt's
19120 From: James Towle <James.Towle@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:27pm
Subject: Bonehead of the day/year award
At the end of December of '99 I bought 4 chrome mods from Big-O in
Chandler, the invoice read 15x8 5-4.5. Well, I went to buy a rim for
a spare tire Monday at another Big-O and I made sure the guy knew I
wanted the same offset and rim. I got the spare back and noticed it
didn't look like the same offset as my other rims. I imediately
started giving the guy a ration. He went into the shop and grabed the
tire calipers and measured the rims on the ground on my TJ, they were
15x7's.
I dug up my reciept for the four and went to Big-O in Chandler. Their
intial reaction is, my rims are rock damaged and they have switched
ownership since my purchase there (about a week after).
The manager is going to wait until the newer owner gets in on Friday
and ask what he wants to do, although the manager said, the newer
owner is getting tired of fixing the old owners problems.
Any suggestions, other than slaming me (I know with Discount I
wouldn't have had this problem) would be appreciated.
This is an FYI also, how many of you measured your rims after they
were installed?
TIA
--James
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19121 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:33pm
Subject: Re: GOOD NEWS!
Done. Thanks for forwarding this to the group.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: <jcorley@i...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] GOOD NEWS!
> This was sent to me with the hope that I would send a Thank You to
> President Bush. A thank you might go a long way, so if any one else
> would like to send one, here is all the info.
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
> 97 TJ
> Locked & Lifted
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19122 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 1:52pm
Subject: Re: Re: one more question
91 IS FUEL INJECTED, YOU GUYS FORGOT THE 96 YJ. MY SELF I WOULD GO 91 OR
NEWER. FUEL INJECTION REASONS ONLY.
STEVE
19123 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 6:57pm
Subject: Re: GOOD NEWS!
For what it's worth to those interested, the correct link is:
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----- Original Message -----
From: <jcorley@i...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:22 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] GOOD NEWS!
> This was sent to me with the hope that I would send a Thank You to
> President Bush. A thank you might go a long way, so if any one else
> would like to send one, here is all the info.
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
> 97 TJ
> Locked & Lifted
>
>
>
>
> DEAR FRIENDS,
> PRESIDENT BUSH HAS PUT A 60 DAY SUSPENSION ON THE OHV CLOSURES THAT
> CLINTON WAS GOING TO ENACT. BUSH WANT TO RECONSIDER THE CLOSURES.
> THE ASA4WDC WANTS AS MANY OFF ROADERS TO E-MAIL, FAX OR CALL,
> THANKING HIM FOR AT LEAST GIVING IT A SECOND THOUGHT. PLEASE SEND
> THIS TO ALL YOUR FRIENDS.
> THANKS,
>
>
>
> WHITEHOUSE SWITCHBOARD------202-456-1414
>
> FAX------------------------------202-456-2461
>
> E-MAIL---------------------------PRESIDENT@W...
>
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19124 From: <ba914@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 1:57pm
Subject: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
"THE SQUEAKY WHEEL GETS THE GREASE"
19125 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 2:11pm
Subject: Fwd: 5 point seat belts
From: Flatfenderman@a...
Full-name: Flatfenderman
Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:11:15 EST
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] 5 point seat belts
To: sthomas@a...
I welded a bar across the main loop of my roll cage just below my shoulder
height to attach my harness to. I also tied my seat mounts to the cage along
with all the seat belt mounts. That way the jeep can actually tear away from
the cage without cutting me in half. That's how its done in race cars.
Hope this helps,
Chris
www.azrocks.alloffroad.com
19126 From: <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:15pm
Subject: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
I hope you know that with discount this wouldn't have happened. ;-) I
would definatly say to keep after them it is that store's problem not
the preivous owner's problem. If you need I am shure that we could
get a bit of an e-mail canpaign going because this is total bull. I
might be interested in your old wheels I like the narrow wheels. What
offset are they?
John
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> At the end of December of '99 I bought 4 chrome mods from Big-O in
> Chandler, the invoice read 15x8 5-4.5. Well, I went to buy a rim
for
> a spare tire Monday at another Big-O and I made sure the guy knew I
> wanted the same offset and rim. I got the spare back and noticed it
> didn't look like the same offset as my other rims. I imediately
> started giving the guy a ration. He went into the shop and grabed
the
> tire calipers and measured the rims on the ground on my TJ, they
were
> 15x7's.
> I dug up my reciept for the four and went to Big-O in Chandler.
Their
> intial reaction is, my rims are rock damaged and they have switched
> ownership since my purchase there (about a week after).
> The manager is going to wait until the newer owner gets in on
Friday
> and ask what he wants to do, although the manager said, the newer
> owner is getting tired of fixing the old owners problems.
> Any suggestions, other than slaming me (I know with Discount I
> wouldn't have had this problem) would be appreciated.
> This is an FYI also, how many of you measured your rims after they
> were installed?
> TIA
>
> --James
19127 From: chris richardson <tcr11087@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 7:27pm
Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
Cherokee's are great 4-wheelin and around town
jeeps. The only drawback is that if you do alot of 4+
trails and have more than 3" of lift, the unibody will
split and tear. These are a lot harder to repair than
a frame. I enjoyed my cherokee. I'll probably buy
another one.
Chris R in tucson
--- James Towle <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> A guy I know is selling his '94 Cherokee Sport,
> 31's, 4Dr, auto,
> AC,... 4.0L HO with either a 3" Procomp or Rancho
> suspension lift,
> 108K miles, no scratches on it, $9000.
> I want to get rid of our '98 Astro and buy it. Does
> anybody have any
> thoughts of comments about this year/model/price/or
> whatever. The guy
> wants to get rid of it because he is affraid if he
> four wheels in it,
> the paint will get scratched, (this would change if
> it was mine or my
> should I say my wife's).
> TIA
>
> --James
>
>
>
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19128 From: <FLEXYXJ@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 2:36pm
Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
umm DISAGREE.....my XJ is lifted 8", and has 33's and lockrights front and
rear....now I dont know what "alot" of 4+ trails means but I have done both
terminators numerous times, predator,upper woodpecker,martinez,....no
problems at all with the body!!! In fact no problems at all concerning the
body caused by 4+ trails...comfortable, gets 15mpg with 4.56 gears, can sleep
in it, hold all of the groceries and it flexes quite well.....BUY THE
CHEROKEE!!! I love mine as I am sure all of the other XJ owners do!!!
http://hometown.aol.com/flexyxj/myhomepage/profile.html take a look...the XJ
is quite a trail vehicle.......just my .02 cents worth
FLEXYXJ@aol.com
19129 From: <flatfenderman@a...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 2:42pm
Subject: MDA Jamboree Canceled
Updated info: MDA canceled the Jamboree. Officially they say we're "too
dangerous"............ "Unofficially" our money is not green enough. At the
last MDA meeting on the 7th Mike was frustrated because no one had picked up
the "major sponsorship..... $7,000.00". 4-Wheeler Supply was going for the
$3500.00 or $4000.00 and Earnhardt the $1000.00 but that obviously wasn't
enough. Mike wanted us to "move it out a few months" so we could maybe get
sponsors. When we said that was impossible he started hemming and hawing
about "too dangerous," "not big enough profit" etc........... His final
proposal was: "ASA do the Jamboree WITHOUT MDA's name or sponsorship.......
and then write them a check"! Those of us at the meeting simply said he
needed to get an answer by the next day so we could go to the delegate
meeting with firm information. He called Friday afternoon and announced
corporate MDA (as well as his boss) "did not want to continue". He didn't
care much that a lot of people had done A LOT of work so
far..................
Anyway, it's off. Have had suggestions to maybe approach March of Dimes or
Special Olympics for next year............... maybe a Jamboree in
combination with a "24 hour marathon of 4-wheeling"......... We'll see.
When I get through the Convention and Show Me Run I'll look into it.
All I know.
Sandee
19130 From: James Junkin <jjunkin@p...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:01pm
Subject: Re: Re: one more question
There wasn't a 96 YJ. They just produced a bunch on YJ's at the end of the 95 run and brought out the 97 TJ early in 97.
James Junkin
O||||||O
'81 SJ Cherokee "Midnight" 4" Skyjacker, 33x12.5 BFG AT's, Warn XD9000, etc
'98 TJ Teraflexed, ARB's, BFG 35x12.5 MT's, etc, etc.
'97 TJ "Loong" Term Project----- Original Message -----
From: ba914@aol.com
To: jay@toyboxoffroad.com
Cc: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: one more question
91 IS FUEL INJECTED, YOU GUYS FORGOT THE 96 YJ. MY SELF I WOULD GO 91 OR
NEWER. FUEL INJECTION REASONS ONLY.
STEVE
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19131 From: Greg Stapley <love24wheel@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:01pm
Subject: predator
You think my YJ could do predator..? You have seen it in action, what do you think? I am thinking of trying it this weekend or next..
Late
Greg
>From: FLEXYXJ@aol.com
>To: tcr11087@yahoo.com, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com, arizonaXJ@egroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 22:36:15 EST
>
>umm DISAGREE.....my XJ is lifted 8", and has 33's and lockrights front and
>rear....now I dont know what "alot" of 4+ trails means but I have done both
>terminators numerous times, predator,upper woodpecker,martinez,....no
>problems at all with the body!!! In fact no problems at all concerning the
>body caused by 4+ trails...comfortable, gets 15mpg with 4.56 gears, can sleep
>in it, hold all of the groceries and it flexes quite well.....BUY THE
>CHEROKEE!!! I love mine as I am sure all of the other XJ owners do!!!
>http://hometown.aol.com/flexyxj/myhomepage/profile.html take a look...the XJ
>is quite a trail vehicle.......just my .02 cents worth
>
>
> FLEXYXJ@aol.com
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19132 From: <aedodger@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:05pm
Subject: WANTED: Stock TJ Bumper
I need a STOCK TJ BUMPER for a fair price.
Heres the story that goes with the request:
Well today I got into a car accident. It was pretty minor and
everyone was ok. I am very thankful for that. I am also thankful
that I was driving a Jeep otherwise I think things might have been
much worse. But my front bumper got smashed. Instead of buying a
new
one from the dealer or having the body shop try and straighten it out
I thought I would ask. Somebody has got to have one laying around.
If I could find one in Tucson that would be all the better. TIA
AARON
97 TJ
520-991-7703
aedodger@h...
19133 From: <glennardskinnard@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:29pm
Subject: WANT TO GO ON A RUN 24TH OR 25TH
ME AND MY WIFE WOULD LIKE TO GO ON A RUN SOMEWHERE AROUND BOX CANYON
OR ANY WHERE IN THE EAST VALLY 3.5+
19134 From: mad cow <twistedxj@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:36pm
Subject: Re: Member sighting
dont think i saw you kevin.i kind of remember hearing a noise of some sort.i
will just asume that it was you i heard.
travis(madcow)wall
>From: "Kevin" <nau88xj@h...>
>To: "azvjc" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Member sighting
>Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2001 08:46:42 -0700
>
>ya, i saw you yesterday also travis...at alma school and hwy60....i was in
>teh CJ making the loud noise when i pressed the clutch =)
>
>kevin
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
>To: "Virtual Jeep Club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
>Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 12:18 AM
>Subject: [az_vjc] Member sighting
>
>
> > I think it was Travis Wall. white XJ with the rear painted black.
>Southbound
> > on Val Vista at about 5:30PM. I was the wierdo in the (dare I say it)
>blue
> > minivan gesturing at your AZVJC sticker.
> >
> > Chris K
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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19135 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:38pm
Subject: Re: I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
It's perfect ......... Buy it you won't be dissapointed..
Dave 93 XJ.....
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19136 From: David O'Boyle <davidoboyle@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 8:42pm
Subject: PS. on buying a Cherokee
Check out Http://ArizonaXJ.Rockcrawler.com
see wat the little Grocriegetters can do.....
Later
Dave
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19137 From: <joey@j...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 9:25pm
Subject: Check Engine Code
Thanks everyone for your help. I now know more than I intended to
ever want to know about the YJ's computer. Well... maybe not. Now
that I know how the thing works somewhat, I understand it much
better. Although the code meanings were accurate I got some mixed
opinions about what to fix and how to reset the computer. The codes
were 12 battery diconnected, 33 AC problems, 21 O2 Sensor problems,
22 engine coolant temp sensor problem, 51 O2 senses air fuel mix
lean, and 55 end of codes.
This is how I started correcting the problems. I have checked all
wiring and connections including the fuses and battery/alt. voltages.
Changing the O2 sensor removed the 51 condition but the rest of the
codes still remain. Next I will be replacing the coolant temp.
sensor.
About reseting the computer. That is preaty simple. First when you
install a new electronic emission control component you must clear
the codes before starting the engine. For 91 - 95 just disconnect the
+ battery terminal for more than 15 seconds. After starting the
engine you may have eratic engine response for a bit while the
computer relearns the engines operating parameters. ***On 97 and
newer I read that you should not disconnect the battery you must have
the computer cleared with a SCAN tool or by the dealer or qualified
repair facility after the system has been repaired.***
I will let you know how the Temp sensor helps after I save enough
lunch money to buy one.
Joey K
ailing 93YJ
19138 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 9:45pm
Subject: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
In defense of Big O, Tara and I have bought numerous wheels and tires
from Steve at the Big O on Rural/Broadway, with absolutely zero
problems. When I take shredded tires in for new ones, all they say
is "Good one!" with a smile, no hassle, quick turn around, and you
don't have to buy another tire certificate. Considering what my
tires look like when they go back in, they are great for not giving
me any flack.
Obviously, there have been bad experiences with Big O, just wanted
anyone in the east valley to know that this location is very
respectable.
I know Big O brand tires probably aren't has good as BFG (although
for the abuse I put them through, they hold up quite well), but I got
my tires/wheels (identical size mud tire, same rim) for over $300
less than what Discount was quoting for their BFG's and same rims.
As usual, your milage may very.
Dan
--- In az_vjc@y..., trmn8rjn98@a... wrote:
> I hope you know that with discount this wouldn't have happened. ;-)
I
> would definatly say to keep after them it is that store's problem
not
> the preivous owner's problem. If you need I am shure that we could
> get a bit of an e-mail canpaign going because this is total bull. I
> might be interested in your old wheels I like the narrow wheels.
What
> offset are they?
> John
> --- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
> >
> > At the end of December of '99 I bought 4 chrome mods from Big-O
in
> > Chandler, the invoice read 15x8 5-4.5. Well, I went to buy a rim
> for
> > a spare tire Monday at another Big-O and I made sure the guy knew
I
> > wanted the same offset and rim. I got the spare back and noticed
it
> > didn't look like the same offset as my other rims. I imediately
> > started giving the guy a ration. He went into the shop and grabed
> the
> > tire calipers and measured the rims on the ground on my TJ, they
> were
> > 15x7's.
> > I dug up my reciept for the four and went to Big-O in Chandler.
> Their
> > intial reaction is, my rims are rock damaged and they have
switched
> > ownership since my purchase there (about a week after).
> > The manager is going to wait until the newer owner gets in on
> Friday
> > and ask what he wants to do, although the manager said, the newer
> > owner is getting tired of fixing the old owners problems.
> > Any suggestions, other than slaming me (I know with Discount I
> > wouldn't have had this problem) would be appreciated.
> > This is an FYI also, how many of you measured your rims after
they
> > were installed?
> > TIA
> >
> > --James
19139 From: Ray B. <kb7skv@c...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 11:25pm
Subject: Re: Re: Looking for alignment shops
FWIW....the "laser" guides most shops use will NOT 'see' around the larger
tires, and most of them are too lazy, or not knowledgeable enough to do it
the old-fashioned way!!
---===Ray===---
Daver wrote:
> FLEXYXJ@a... wrote:
> > HMMM NOT TO SOUND RUDE BUT I THINK THAT THEY ARE STROKING YA!!!! YOU
> > ALIGN
> > SUSPENSION NOT TIRES!!!! TIRES WEAR BECAUSE OF ALIGNMENT.......
>
> I understand what you are saying, but my experience has been that most
> shops are not equipped to align a vehicle with 35"+ tires. *shrug*
19140 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Tue Feb 20, 2001 10:29pm
Subject: Re: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
The Big-O at Main & Mesa Dr. also have a great bunch of folks....
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19141 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 1:38am
Subject: Re: GOOD NEWS!
In case anyone out there is interested :-)
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19142 From: Rick Hall <ricknhall@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 2:53am
Subject: RE: I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
I like my 99XJ too but no way am I getting 15mpg (353's 30X9.5's). Most people I know with Cherokees (4.0) do nothing but ***** about the mileage so I didn't give 13mpg- around town a second thought. Do you have any engine mods???
Rick
-----Original Message-----
From: FLEXYXJ@aol.com [mailto:FLEXYXJ@aol.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2001 8:36 PM
To: tcr11087@yahoo.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com; arizonaXJ@egroups.com
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] I am thinking of buying a Cherokee
umm DISAGREE.....my XJ is lifted 8", and has 33's and lockrights front and
rear....now I dont know what "alot" of 4+ trails means but I have done both
terminators numerous times, predator,upper woodpecker,martinez,....no
problems at all with the body!!! In fact no problems at all concerning the
body caused by 4+ trails...comfortable, gets 15mpg with 4.56 gears, can sleep
in it, hold all of the groceries and it flexes quite well.....BUY THE
CHEROKEE!!! I love mine as I am sure all of the other XJ owners do!!!
http://hometown.aol.com/flexyxj/myhomepage/profile.html take a look...the XJ
is quite a trail vehicle.......just my .02 cents worth
FLEXYXJ@aol.com
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19143 From: <oveson2@j...>
Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 4:45am
Subject: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
When I bought (5) 15X8 with 3.75 backspace I measured all five of
them at the dealer myself. They were correct but I checked them
because from my experience people do make mistakes. In your case I
would try to work with the dealer. Be nice about it, kindness goes a
long way futher than anger. If the dealer won,t work with you call
the Big-O main office.
--- In az_vjc@y..., "James Towle" <James.Towle@a...> wrote:
>
> At the end of December of '99 I bought 4 chrome mods from Big-O in
> Chandler, the invoice read 15x8 5-4.5. Well, I went to buy a rim
for
> a spare tire Monday at another Big-O and I made sure the guy knew I
> wanted the same offset and rim. I got the spare back and noticed it
> didn't look like the same offset as my other rims. I imediately
> started giving the guy a ration. He went into the shop and grabed
the
> tire calipers and measured the rims on the ground on my TJ, they
were
> 15x7's.
> I dug up my reciept for the four and went to Big-O in Chandler.
Their
> intial reaction is, my rims are rock damaged and they have switched
> ownership since my purchase there (about a week after).
> The manager is going to wait until the newer owner gets in on
Friday
> and ask what he wants to do, although the manager said, the newer
> owner is getting tired of fixing the old owners problems.
> Any suggestions, other than slaming me (I know with Discount I
> wouldn't have had this problem) would be appreciated.
> This is an FYI also, how many of you measured your rims after they
> were installed?
> TIA
>
> --James
19144 From: <ldoctor1957@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 21, 2001 0:21am
Subject: Re: Re: Bonehead of the day/year award
The Big-O on 40th st and Greenway is also an excellent shop. It is owned by
two brothers who are also into wheelin. I have taken 5 tires in to be
replaced in less than a year and when they see me pull in they just laugh and
say " blow another one ok we will order " . I really put these tires through
heck and they tell me if I go through 10,000 tires that is what they will
replace. I wouldnt buy from anyone else. Just my .02 cents .
Jim Lambertus
1990 XJ
Big-O 31 mt's