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18620 From: k7ant Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 7:57pm
Subject: Re: Need Help with Discon question


Glen,
I don't think you'll enjoy going down the highway disco'd. If you have
to make a quick movement, it will scare the crap out of you. I'd go to
Home Depot or somewhere similar and look for a pin with a latch on it or
a sub of some kind. I made my own discos with clevis pins. See
Rockcrawler.com on home made discos. these work great for me and are
pretty CHEAP.
my .02
Bill


DAVISis@h... wrote:
>
> 99 TJ with a 4" lift. I have the TeraFlex new gen swaybar discons.
> I keep losing the pass side hitch pin and washer. Kinda tired of
> it. What are the ramifications (besides some extra loose travel) if
> I keep the swaybar disconnected all the time (on and off road)?
>
> TIA,
>
> Glen



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18621 From: Greg Stapley <love24wheel@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 8:28am
Subject: Re: SOA questions.


My first concern would be with my axles.. Depending on what axles you are runing is how big I would have your tire.. From what I am told if you have the stock YJ axles, 33's should be the biggest..Although I know a buddy who was running 36 1/2's and never had a problem.. Assuming you have stock axles , cause no info was given, I would address that first, Especially if you want 38's..



>From: "DeVincentis, Jason"
>To: "Azvjc (E-mail)"
>Subject: [az_vjc] SOA questions.
>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 15:23:13 -0700
>
>Hello,
>
>I have some questions concerning SOA that I would like to perform in the
>future. I am looking to get 38's under my 95 YJ and still have enough room
>for the articulation. Right now, I have a 3 1/2" suspension lift (springs)
>and about 1-1 1/2" of lift from the shackles. I run 35's on this setup, and
>I get a little rubbing at full stuff. I am contemplating a SOA with the
>current springs and shackles. I would like to know if there are any
>problems doing a SOA conversion with lifted springs, or any special
>considerations I need to keep in mind. I'm already aware of the need to
>extend things (brake lines, CV drive shaft, front shaft, shocks, etc.) Any
>additional information would be appreciated.
>
>Jason DeVincentis
>
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18622 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 9:37am
Subject: Misc Jeep stuff FS and free


TK Sliders- rear sway bar links that aid rear articulation. Well used, but
still in good shape...$25.

Stock gas tank skid (TJ) - free - last call, goes in the trash soon.

CJ5 tie rod ends, new - never used - $25 for all 3

Tera 3/4 coil spacers - new, never used. Cost me $35/pair. I have 2 pair.
Great of use w/ a winch...or just for a little added height. $25/pair

Stock TJ rear driveshaft, w/ slip yoke and stock Spicer joints. Bout 12k on
the d/s. Great for a trail spare, or replacement. $35

OEM h/d gas shocks - came w/ 4L TJ w/ 30" tire package - these are upgraded
shocks over regular stocks. Free or to the trash they go.

Doug


18623 From: LarryM <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 10:18am
Subject: Member sighting


Last night at Jillys in the Scottsdale Air Park.....

Green TJ with Tan Hardtop and Teraflex sticker across windshield. Who was
it?


18624 From: LarryM <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 11:30am
Subject: New Dana 44 U-joints


Pulled this from another list I belong to. FYI... the company mentioned has
a website located at http://www.redlineoffroad.com/

Time will tell.....

Larry


**> snip <**
> > For those of you running Dana 44 front ends I have some good news from
> > Keith over at Redline. He is currently working on a new u-joint design
> > with a company out on the east coast. This new u-joint should be
available
> > in about 2 months.
> >
> > Here is the deal: This new Dana 44 u-joint will be 50-70% stronger (if
> > not more) than a stock u-joint, so this brings it up into dana 60
> > strength.
> > Sounds to good to be true I know.................................
> >
> > Here is what I know:
> >
> > The u-joint will be cast of 4130 aircraft metal and will be solid
> > through and through unlike a standard joint that is hallow inside
allowing
> > grease to enter for the needle bearings. The new joint will not have
> > needle bearings either, instead it will have a high yield super slick
> > metal coating on the ends that is currently in use in the aeronautics
> > industry and has been taking the place of bearings. This means that
since
> > you don't need a lubricant or needle bearings you can increase the
> > strength of the joint big time. The joint will still have end caps but
> > since you don't have needle bearings it allows the joint to be much
larger
> > in diameter at the neck where the needle bearings use to be. The entire
> > joint will be "thicker" and "solid", not hallow. Cast from 4130 air
craft
> > grade metal which will increase the strength at least by 50% if not more
> > (still needs to be tested). Keith thinks it will be at least 70%. This
> > joint will be a patent design by Redline and will be sold under
Redline's
> > name. Keith is thinking that the joints would sell for approx. $50.00
each
> > ($100 a set) with a lifetime warranty for any vehicle running 38" or
> > smaller tires.
> >
> > This is still in R&D phase and Keith may have a set to test in 2 or 3
> > weeks. Hopefully 2 weeks and I may be testing them in my Toy. If all
> > goes well and the product works out he should start mass producing them
> > and have them on the market in about 2 months from now. This could be a
> > huge breakthrough in the industry from what I can tell. Tons of people
> > running 44 front ends out there.
> >


18625 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 11:39am
Subject: RE: New Dana 44 U-joints


So, does this move the fusible link to the axle shaft now? Ouch....those
old $12 u-joints seemed like a better deal. (just thinking out loud)

Stu

Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8



>-----Original Message-----
>From: LarryM [mailto:jeeperaz@q...]
>Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:30
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] New Dana 44 U-joints
>
>
>Pulled this from another list I belong to. FYI... the company mentioned has
>a website located at http://www.redlineoffroad.com/
>
>Time will tell.....
>
>Larry
>
>
>**> snip <**
>> > For those of you running Dana 44 front ends I have some good news from
>> > Keith over at Redline. He is currently working on a new u-joint design
>> > with a company out on the east coast. This new u-joint should be
>available
>> > in about 2 months.
>> >
>> > Here is the deal: This new Dana 44 u-joint will be 50-70% stronger (if
>> > not more) than a stock u-joint, so this brings it up into dana 60
>> > strength.
>> > Sounds to good to be true I know.................................
>> >
>> > Here is what I know:
>> >
>> > The u-joint will be cast of 4130 aircraft metal and will be solid
>> > through and through unlike a standard joint that is hallow inside
>allowing
>> > grease to enter for the needle bearings. The new joint will not have
>> > needle bearings either, instead it will have a high yield super slick
>> > metal coating on the ends that is currently in use in the aeronautics
>> > industry and has been taking the place of bearings. This means that
>since
>> > you don't need a lubricant or needle bearings you can increase the
>> > strength of the joint big time. The joint will still have end caps but
>> > since you don't have needle bearings it allows the joint to be much
>larger
>> > in diameter at the neck where the needle bearings use to be. The entire
>> > joint will be "thicker" and "solid", not hallow. Cast from 4130 air
>craft
>> > grade metal which will increase the strength at least by 50%
>if not more
>> > (still needs to be tested). Keith thinks it will be at least 70%. This
>> > joint will be a patent design by Redline and will be sold under
>Redline's
>> > name. Keith is thinking that the joints would sell for approx. $50.00
>each
>> > ($100 a set) with a lifetime warranty for any vehicle running 38" or
>> > smaller tires.
>> >
>> > This is still in R&D phase and Keith may have a set to test in 2 or 3
>> > weeks. Hopefully 2 weeks and I may be testing them in my Toy. If all
>> > goes well and the product works out he should start mass producing them
>> > and have them on the market in about 2 months from now. This
>could be a
>> > huge breakthrough in the industry from what I can tell. Tons of people
>> > running 44 front ends out there.
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>


18626 From: Jesus Chio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 11:51am
Subject: Re: New Dana 44 U-joints


Ive talked to Keith and its a great idea.

Run stronger shafts and your weak lik will be either hubs or driveshaft
Ujoints.

www.PerformanceUnlimited.com has stronger shafts for EBs, worth to check it
out


Jesus Chio
Chief Editor
http://www.alloffroad.com

Free webpages:
http://signup.alloffroad.com




----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "LarryM" <jeeperaz@q...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] New Dana 44 U-joints


> So, does this move the fusible link to the axle shaft now? Ouch....those
> old $12 u-joints seemed like a better deal. (just thinking out loud)
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ
> http://www.stu-offroad.com
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: LarryM [mailto:jeeperaz@q...]
> >Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:30
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] New Dana 44 U-joints
> >
> >
> >Pulled this from another list I belong to. FYI... the company mentioned
has
> >a website located at http://www.redlineoffroad.com/
> >
> >Time will tell.....
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >
> >**> snip <**
> >> > For those of you running Dana 44 front ends I have some good news
from
> >> > Keith over at Redline. He is currently working on a new u-joint
design
> >> > with a company out on the east coast. This new u-joint should be
> >available
> >> > in about 2 months.
> >> >
> >> > Here is the deal: This new Dana 44 u-joint will be 50-70% stronger
(if
> >> > not more) than a stock u-joint, so this brings it up into dana 60
> >> > strength.
> >> > Sounds to good to be true I know.................................
> >> >
> >> > Here is what I know:
> >> >
> >> > The u-joint will be cast of 4130 aircraft metal and will be solid
> >> > through and through unlike a standard joint that is hallow inside
> >allowing
> >> > grease to enter for the needle bearings. The new joint will not have
> >> > needle bearings either, instead it will have a high yield super slick
> >> > metal coating on the ends that is currently in use in the aeronautics
> >> > industry and has been taking the place of bearings. This means that
> >since
> >> > you don't need a lubricant or needle bearings you can increase the
> >> > strength of the joint big time. The joint will still have end caps
but
> >> > since you don't have needle bearings it allows the joint to be much
> >larger
> >> > in diameter at the neck where the needle bearings use to be. The
entire
> >> > joint will be "thicker" and "solid", not hallow. Cast from 4130 air
> >craft
> >> > grade metal which will increase the strength at least by 50%
> >if not more
> >> > (still needs to be tested). Keith thinks it will be at least 70%.
This
> >> > joint will be a patent design by Redline and will be sold under
> >Redline's
> >> > name. Keith is thinking that the joints would sell for approx. $50.00
> >each
> >> > ($100 a set) with a lifetime warranty for any vehicle running 38" or
> >> > smaller tires.
> >> >
> >> > This is still in R&D phase and Keith may have a set to test in 2 or
3
> >> > weeks. Hopefully 2 weeks and I may be testing them in my Toy. If all
> >> > goes well and the product works out he should start mass producing
them
> >> > and have them on the market in about 2 months from now. This
> >could be a
> >> > huge breakthrough in the industry from what I can tell. Tons of
people
> >> > running 44 front ends out there.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


18627 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 0:02pm
Subject: Anyone done this? Opinions?


It looks like it could be done using decent quality screws found at the
hardware store. I've never heard of it before. Seems like a cheap
alternative to bead locks which can't be driven on the street.

http://performanceunlimited.com/customservices/rimscrewing.html

Pete


18628 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 0:26pm
Subject: Tera 4:1 and 2LO install writeup


I finished editing the write-up comments and photos for yesterday's install
session.

They are on my web site www.stu-offroad.com in case you are curious about
anything that went on. Just follow the build-up link on the opening page
and enjoy.

Stu

Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8

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18629 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 1:21pm
Subject: Re: SOA questions.


A good explaination of what you can expect and what you need could take
weeks to complete. Nothing is ever "common" when it comes to an SOA.
But there are a few rules-of-thumb that you could go by. (Again, these
are my opinions through experience and talking with others that have
done it)

First, 3-1/2" of suspension along with the shackles AND SOA is way too
much!! (IMHO). SOA will get you somewhere around 5". I'd look for a
set of stock YJ springs, go SOA and add the shackles if you want. The
rest of the clearance should come in the way of fender trimming. And
lots of it. There IS such a thing as too much lift on a trail rig. If
you plan to run 38's, you MUST swap out the axles (both front and rear -
assuming you still have the stock ones). D30's are broken (u-joints
mostly) regularly by 35's and good gearing. So 38's are even worse. So
since you need to go with bigger axles, look for a D44 setup with flat
top knuckles so you can go with high steering. Your problem is that the
drag link will want to hit the passenger's spring (at least I think this
is a problem in YJs similar to CJ's although the steering linkages are a
little different.)

Other things to consider:
1) Longer front driveshaft
2) Longer rear driveshaft
3) Slip Yoke Eliminator
4) CV rear driveshaft
5) Longer shocks and higher shock mounts to accomodate longer shocks.
6) Lower gearing for the 38's.
7) Steering geometry and hitting other components.
8) Steering box bracing due to larger tires
9) Welding skills
10) Setting the correct caster in front
11) Setting the correct angle on rear axle to point at transfer case
12) Stronger drag link and tie rod
13) Etc

I'm not trying to discourage you. I just want to be sure that you know
all to expect. This swap is not a "do-it-in-a-weekend" thing.
Especially not if you plan to run 38's. I did my SOA in 6 hours. All
that included was putting the springs on top of the axles and making it
drivable. I've now spent 6 months refining it to where it is usable on
the trail. And after having run Anaconda this past weekend, I think I
might finally have the right combination of stuff!
Well..........there's always something else! :-)

--
----------------------------
Jay Eller
http://www.goodnet.com/~eller


18630 From: Joe W <arizonajeep@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 3:30pm
Subject: RE: New Dana 44 U-joints


Well... I was thinking about upgrading from my front Dana44 to a Dana
60...but if this product actually goes to market; I'll try it first. I've
only broken one D44 Ujoint up front; its amazing how easy it is to do if you
do the wrong thing like hit the gas when you shouldn't. <grin>.

I hope this product comes out; thanks for the heads up.


Joe West

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LarryM [mailto:jeeperaz@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:30 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] New Dana 44 U-joints
>
>
> Pulled this from another list I belong to. FYI... the company
> mentioned has
> a website located at http://www.redlineoffroad.com/
>
> Time will tell.....
>
> Larry
>
>
> **> snip <**
> > > For those of you running Dana 44 front ends I have some
> good news from
> > > Keith over at Redline. He is currently working on a new
> u-joint design
> > > with a company out on the east coast. This new u-joint should be
> available
> > > in about 2 months.
> > >
> > > Here is the deal: This new Dana 44 u-joint will be 50-70%
> stronger (if
> > > not more) than a stock u-joint, so this brings it up into dana 60
> > > strength.
> > > Sounds to good to be true I know.................................
> > >
> > > Here is what I know:
> > >
> > > The u-joint will be cast of 4130 aircraft metal and will be solid
> > > through and through unlike a standard joint that is hallow inside
> allowing
> > > grease to enter for the needle bearings. The new joint
> will not have
> > > needle bearings either, instead it will have a high yield
> super slick
> > > metal coating on the ends that is currently in use in the
> aeronautics
> > > industry and has been taking the place of bearings. This
> means that
> since
> > > you don't need a lubricant or needle bearings you can increase the
> > > strength of the joint big time. The joint will still have
> end caps but
> > > since you don't have needle bearings it allows the joint
> to be much
> larger
> > > in diameter at the neck where the needle bearings use to
> be. The entire
> > > joint will be "thicker" and "solid", not hallow. Cast
> from 4130 air
> craft
> > > grade metal which will increase the strength at least by
> 50% if not more
> > > (still needs to be tested). Keith thinks it will be at
> least 70%. This
> > > joint will be a patent design by Redline and will be sold under
> Redline's
> > > name. Keith is thinking that the joints would sell for
> approx. $50.00
> each
> > > ($100 a set) with a lifetime warranty for any vehicle
> running 38" or
> > > smaller tires.
> > >
> > > This is still in R&D phase and Keith may have a set to
> test in 2 or 3
> > > weeks. Hopefully 2 weeks and I may be testing them in my
> Toy. If all
> > > goes well and the product works out he should start mass
> producing them
> > > and have them on the market in about 2 months from now.
> This could be a
> > > huge breakthrough in the industry from what I can tell.
> Tons of people
> > > running 44 front ends out there.
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>


18631 From: <gcdclark@y...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 3:33pm
Subject: HELP<<YJ front Lockright installation Question


89yj, non-C clip front end, but on vacuum disconect side (ring-gear)
side there is one c-clip for the 2 piece shaft (vacuum disconect
side).

the problem is that the ring-gear(there is a thin and a large...i have
a large one) has to be removed to get the cross shaft pin out (thus
carrier was removed) from dif.... not....a problem, but on installtion
the c-clip has to be installed (for vaccuum disconnect shaft) before
you put in the guts of the lockright and replace cross shaft. can't do
that because the large wing gear is in the way.

My question is, finally there, will the lockright hold the shaft in
place without the c-clip on the vacuum disconnect side

hope this is clear enough for everyone, thanks in advance


18632 From: Rich Drake <rodrake@y...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 4:34pm
Subject: El Oso Mine Photos


Yesterday was my first drive with the club and I had a great time. Jake and Rebekah did a great job leading us with a little help from Larry's GPS. Bryan (and his sweet lifted TJ) and I finished the day off with a Baja style cruise down the mountain. As Jake said, the trail wasn't too difficult, but the combination of a few obstacles, some snow, and the great views made it an enjoyable ride. Check out my PhotoPoint album for a few pictures:
El Oso Mine

Rich Drake





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18633 From: Eric Herring <herring@u...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 4:46pm
Subject: RE: Anyone done this? Opinions?


That's an old drag racing trick. It works but probably isn't so hot on the
tires.

Eric Herring 92XJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Wirch [mailto:wirch@m...]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:03 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone done this? Opinions?


It looks like it could be done using decent quality screws found at the
hardware store. I've never heard of it before. Seems like a cheap
alternative to bead locks which can't be driven on the street.

http://performanceunlimited.com/customservices/rimscrewing.html

Pete


18634 From: Blair <blairb20@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 5:59pm
Subject: Firstwater still open...


I could definitely be wrong, but it seemed like Firstwater was open today. I
was on a few sections and there were no fences or signs.

-B


18635 From: Bill Ragan <wragan@i...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 6:25pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 604


I have a T-176 for sale. It shifts fine and doesn't leak. I also have a
refurbished flywheel for a 360, and the bell housing for an AMC engine.
E-mail me if interested. I'm in Flagstaff. My e-mail is
wragan@i...
Thanks

Bill Ragan

-----Original Message-----
From: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com [mailto:az_vjc@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 7:01 PM
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [az_vjc] Digest Number 604

There are 25 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

1. Factory Service Manuals?
From: "Rick Hall" <ricknhall@h...>
2. Jeep for sale
From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
3. 8.25 rear end
From: "Peter Zuleger" <azxjman@h...>
4. 4 Peaks
From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
5. Quick 4 Peaks SNOW run!!
From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
6. RE: Factory Service Manuals?
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
7. Need Help with Discon question
From: DAVISis@h...
8. Re: Need Help with Discon question
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
9. More Martinez Maintenance Run Pics
From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
10. Re: Need Help with Discon question
From: k7ant Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
11. Re: SOA questions.
From: "Greg Stapley" <love24wheel@h...>
12. Misc Jeep stuff FS and free
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
13. Member sighting
From: "LarryM" <jeeperaz@q...>
14. New Dana 44 U-joints
From: "LarryM" <jeeperaz@q...>
15. RE: New Dana 44 U-joints
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
16. Re: New Dana 44 U-joints
From: "Jesus Chio - Alloffroad.com" <jchio@a...>
17. Re: New Dana 44 U-joints
From: "Jesus Chio - Alloffroad.com" <jchio@a...>
18. Anyone done this? Opinions?
From: "Pete Wirch" <wirch@m...>
19. Tera 4:1 and 2LO install writeup
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
20. Re: SOA questions.
From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
21. RE: New Dana 44 U-joints
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
22. HELP<<YJ front Lockright installation Question
From: gcdclark@y...
23. El Oso Mine Photos
From: Rich Drake <rodrake@y...>
24. RE: Anyone done this? Opinions?
From: "Eric Herring" <herring@u...>
25. Firstwater still open...
From: "Blair" <blairb20@h...>


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 04:37:04 -0700
From: "Rick Hall" <ricknhall@h...>
Subject: Factory Service Manuals?

Can anyone give me a couple of sources for getting a FSM? Also, if anyone
knows why the FSM for a 98TJ is $50 more than a 97 of 99 I'd sure like to be
clued in. I have found a couple of places that sell the manuals besides the
dealer and the 98 price is always $40 to $50 more (the dealer doesn't know
why either).

TIA
Rick



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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 05:42:08 -0700
From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Subject: Jeep for sale

I am forwarding this to the group at the request of the owner/author:
-----------------------------------
Hi Jon. My name is George Schroeder. I'm Having trouble w/my computer &
unable to access messaging. I was hoping that you could forward this to the
group for me.

I have a 1998 tj that I must sell quickly. It has: 4.0L, 5speed, ac, cc,
sound bar w/am/fm/cassette, rear hide-a-trunk, 3 inch black diamond lift,
superlift rockrunner control arms, tomken gas tank skid plate, 2 sets tires
& wheels, factory soft top w/full doors, steel horse hard top, safari top,
custom rocker panel guards, R.E. quick disconnects, dana 44 rear axle
w/3:73 gears & track-lok. Excellent condition. Religious maintenance.

27.5K miles. $18,500 obo. Someone will get a great Jeep. 623-878-2174.
Thanks for your help. George Schroeder





Jon Loveless
(480) 816-6240

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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:58:17 -0000
From: "Peter Zuleger" <azxjman@h...>
Subject: 8.25 rear end

I,m looking to swap out my dana 35 to a 8 1/4 on my xj. Does anybody
have one or know of a source that is reasonable. Most of the wrecking
yard want 700+. It need to be open

Peter



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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:14:09 -0700
From: Jon Loveless <jonloveless@m...>
Subject: 4 Peaks

The reason you don't hear or see much about 4Peaks here is because most
don't think of it as "off road". Here is some info:

You can get to the entrance to 4Peaks Road about 10 miles North of Shea
Blvd. off SR 87. It is right hand turn off of 87 and is about 16 miles to
the top. The turnoff is well marked as 4Peaks Road. The road is graded dirt
for the first half and passable by about any vehicle with some clearance
(ie - pickup truck or 'big' sedan. Probably a bad idea to try it in a
Honda.) The second half has a couple of spots with small rocks - no
challenge to a Jeep or other clearance vehicle but it will stop most
passenger cars with smart drivers. The Summit is just under 6000 feet, so
is a good place to go in the Summer heat. At the top you can go right to
Lone Pine trail head and hike to the real summit (or near to it). There are
also some trail heads along the way.

At the top you have several choices. You can return the way you came. Or,
you can continue down the other side. The road down is about 9 miles and
ends up on SR188 in Punkin Center. If you go left there is a place for a
brew and an air hose to fill your tires. Keep going left and SR188 ends at
SR87. If you go right, SR188 ends at SR88 at Roosevelt Dam. You can hook
up with the Apache Trail which will take you back to Apache Junction and
Mesa or continue on to Globe.

Also at the summit, if you head down the other side just before the
microwave station you can take a left and there is some decent wheeling
back in there. El Oso mine and the Edwards Park run are back there. They
are rated a 3-3.5 but are out and back - no exit has been found back there.

One other thing. If you start out at the Coves of Lake Saguaro - Butcher
Jones Park - you can take almost any one of those trails known as the Rolls
and Coves and eventually meet up with FR13 which will take you to 4 Peaks
Road.

It is a nice trip for the scenery along the way, the view and cool
temperatures. After you have done it once or twice the trip up gets
tedious. It is very washboard but at the same time good enough to make you
want to 20-30 mph - also rough enough to shake and rattle you at 20-30 mph.

At 11:19 PM 2/10/2001 +0000, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 21:22:28 -0000
> From: Jeepguy@z...
>Subject: Four Peaks
>
>There is nothing in the trail reports about the four peaks. I have
>been wanting to do some wheeling out there, but don't know how to get
>there or anything. Any info would be greatly appreciated! -Rob


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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 06:32:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Subject: Quick 4 Peaks SNOW run!!

OK, my wife and my 16 month old son want to go see
snow. We are going to go up to 4 Peaks and find some.
Anyone interested in going can give me a call, I am
getting ready to leave in a few and won't be available
untill 10:15 am. Easy trip, stock jeeps can make it.
Bring the family for a few hours of snowball fights
and snowmen!!!

Call me after 10:00, if I don't answer, leave a
message.

480-628-0204 cell phone.

I would like to have atleast one other person come
along, my hi-lift is not on my jeep right now, even
though we prob won't need it.


Mike Baney

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2001 TJ

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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 07:40:27 -0700
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
Subject: RE: Factory Service Manuals?

There is, to the best of my knowledge, only one source. In fact, when I
bought my FSM, the dealer parts counter just gave me a toll free # and told
me to go order it myself (5 star dealership service at its peak). Anyway,
it was right at $100. I asked other TJ owners about that and they commented
that is what they paid. Is this the price you are quoting? (you didn't
mention)

Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8



>-----Original Message-----
>From: Rick Hall [mailto:ricknhall@h...]
>Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 04:37
>To: AZVJC
>Subject: [az_vjc] Factory Service Manuals?
>
>
>Can anyone give me a couple of sources for getting a FSM? Also, if anyone
>knows why the FSM for a 98TJ is $50 more than a 97 of 99 I'd sure
>like to be
>clued in. I have found a couple of places that sell the manuals
>besides the
>dealer and the 98 price is always $40 to $50 more (the dealer doesn't know
>why either).
>
>TIA
>Rick
>
>
>
>
>



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 15:46:29 -0000
From: DAVISis@h...
Subject: Need Help with Discon question

99 TJ with a 4" lift. I have the TeraFlex new gen swaybar discons.
I keep losing the pass side hitch pin and washer. Kinda tired of
it. What are the ramifications (besides some extra loose travel) if
I keep the swaybar disconnected all the time (on and off road)?

TIA,

Glen



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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 08:55:53 -0700
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
Subject: Re: Need Help with Discon question

My opinion...but not a good idea...esp on a SWB vehicle. You'll be fine
driving this way and will get used to the handling characteristics....But,
in an emergency maneuver (when you least expect it), you and others will
have wished you had it on.

Doug

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From: <DAVISis@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 8:46 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Need Help with Discon question


> 99 TJ with a 4" lift. I have the TeraFlex new gen swaybar discons.
> I keep losing the pass side hitch pin and washer. Kinda tired of
> it. What are the ramifications (besides some extra loose travel) if
> I keep the swaybar disconnected all the time (on and off road)?
>
> TIA,
>
> Glen
>
>
>
>



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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 08:55:29 -0700
From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Subject: More Martinez Maintenance Run Pics

Sorry if this comes thru twice. I sent it yesterday and never saw it posted
after that.

First of all, I want to thank all that came out today. We had myself, Linda
Luik, Todd Lovstrom, Doug Ballard, Larry Greene, Jim Florence (and friends
in the F-150 - sorry, I didn't catch their names), Jeff Meade, and Randy
Davis.

We met at the usual Texaco in FJ and headed down to Martinez. At the cabin,
We dropped off Jim's friend's F-150 and headed up the canyon. It was a
pretty non-eventful (but very fun) run up to the washout. Originally, I had
thought the washout was more up near the top (stupid feeble mind!), but it
was actually on one of the lower switchbacks, but still had a long drop if
you rolled out of it. Someone before us had already stacked some rocks in
the washout and that made it a bit easier to cross. We decided to put up a
fence (thanks Linda for the fence and posts!) in the washout just next to
the trail to keep the rock from rolling out during the next storm and
created a couple psuedo dams to hopefully try to catch whatever does wash
down in to the washout to build the area back up. The work went pretty
quickly with the number of people we had helping. Once the work was done we
climbed the remaining switchback up to the mine where we stopped to explore
the mine. Jeff Meade changed out a rear driveshaft u-joint that had been
making noise as a "just in case" precaution. From their, we finished the
trail by crawling down the Sluice (not the Luge) and then back down to the
cabin.

The trail was pretty busy today with 2 other non-AZVJC groups following us
up the canyon. Sure was a lot of fun and the weather could not have been
better. Even saw some snow in the canyon

Oh well, enough of my ramblings. Here's the few pics I took:

http://albums.photopoint.com/j/AlbumIndex?u=637162&a=11502294

Thanks again everybody!

Chris K


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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:57:43 -0700
From: k7ant Bill Witt <k7ant@t...>
Subject: Re: Need Help with Discon question

Glen,
I don't think you'll enjoy going down the highway disco'd. If you have
to make a quick movement, it will scare the crap out of you. I'd go to
Home Depot or somewhere similar and look for a pin with a latch on it or
a sub of some kind. I made my own discos with clevis pins. See
Rockcrawler.com on home made discos. these work great for me and are
pretty CHEAP.
my .02
Bill


DAVISis@h... wrote:
>
> 99 TJ with a 4" lift. I have the TeraFlex new gen swaybar discons.
> I keep losing the pass side hitch pin and washer. Kinda tired of
> it. What are the ramifications (besides some extra loose travel) if
> I keep the swaybar disconnected all the time (on and off road)?
>
> TIA,
>
> Glen


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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:28:48 -0000
From: "Greg Stapley" <love24wheel@h...>
Subject: Re: SOA questions.



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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 10:37:58 -0700
From: "DougB" <azjeep@h...>
Subject: Misc Jeep stuff FS and free

TK Sliders- rear sway bar links that aid rear articulation. Well used, but
still in good shape...$25.

Stock gas tank skid (TJ) - free - last call, goes in the trash soon.

CJ5 tie rod ends, new - never used - $25 for all 3

Tera 3/4 coil spacers - new, never used. Cost me $35/pair. I have 2 pair.
Great of use w/ a winch...or just for a little added height. $25/pair

Stock TJ rear driveshaft, w/ slip yoke and stock Spicer joints. Bout 12k on
the d/s. Great for a trail spare, or replacement. $35

OEM h/d gas shocks - came w/ 4L TJ w/ 30" tire package - these are upgraded
shocks over regular stocks. Free or to the trash they go.

Doug










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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 11:18:11 -0700
From: "LarryM" <jeeperaz@q...>
Subject: Member sighting

Last night at Jillys in the Scottsdale Air Park.....

Green TJ with Tan Hardtop and Teraflex sticker across windshield. Who was
it?




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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:30:29 -0700
From: "LarryM" <jeeperaz@q...>
Subject: New Dana 44 U-joints

Pulled this from another list I belong to. FYI... the company mentioned has
a website located at http://www.redlineoffroad.com/

Time will tell.....

Larry


**> snip <**
> > For those of you running Dana 44 front ends I have some good news from
> > Keith over at Redline. He is currently working on a new u-joint design
> > with a company out on the east coast. This new u-joint should be
available
> > in about 2 months.
> >
> > Here is the deal: This new Dana 44 u-joint will be 50-70% stronger (if
> > not more) than a stock u-joint, so this brings it up into dana 60
> > strength.
> > Sounds to good to be true I know.................................
> >
> > Here is what I know:
> >
> > The u-joint will be cast of 4130 aircraft metal and will be solid
> > through and through unlike a standard joint that is hallow inside
allowing
> > grease to enter for the needle bearings. The new joint will not have
> > needle bearings either, instead it will have a high yield super slick
> > metal coating on the ends that is currently in use in the aeronautics
> > industry and has been taking the place of bearings. This means that
since
> > you don't need a lubricant or needle bearings you can increase the
> > strength of the joint big time. The joint will still have end caps but
> > since you don't have needle bearings it allows the joint to be much
larger
> > in diameter at the neck where the needle bearings use to be. The entire
> > joint will be "thicker" and "solid", not hallow. Cast from 4130 air
craft
> > grade metal which will increase the strength at least by 50% if not more
> > (still needs to be tested). Keith thinks it will be at least 70%. This
> > joint will be a patent design by Redline and will be sold under
Redline's
> > name. Keith is thinking that the joints would sell for approx. $50.00
each
> > ($100 a set) with a lifetime warranty for any vehicle running 38" or
> > smaller tires.
> >
> > This is still in R&D phase and Keith may have a set to test in 2 or 3
> > weeks. Hopefully 2 weeks and I may be testing them in my Toy. If all
> > goes well and the product works out he should start mass producing them
> > and have them on the market in about 2 months from now. This could be a
> > huge breakthrough in the industry from what I can tell. Tons of people
> > running 44 front ends out there.
> >




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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 12:39:48 -0700
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
Subject: RE: New Dana 44 U-joints

So, does this move the fusible link to the axle shaft now? Ouch....those
old $12 u-joints seemed like a better deal. (just thinking out loud)

Stu

Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8



>-----Original Message-----
>From: LarryM [mailto:jeeperaz@q...]
>Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:30
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] New Dana 44 U-joints
>
>
>Pulled this from another list I belong to. FYI... the company mentioned has
>a website located at http://www.redlineoffroad.com/
>
>Time will tell.....
>
>Larry
>
>
>**> snip <**
>> > For those of you running Dana 44 front ends I have some good news from
>> > Keith over at Redline. He is currently working on a new u-joint design
>> > with a company out on the east coast. This new u-joint should be
>available
>> > in about 2 months.
>> >
>> > Here is the deal: This new Dana 44 u-joint will be 50-70% stronger (if
>> > not more) than a stock u-joint, so this brings it up into dana 60
>> > strength.
>> > Sounds to good to be true I know.................................
>> >
>> > Here is what I know:
>> >
>> > The u-joint will be cast of 4130 aircraft metal and will be solid
>> > through and through unlike a standard joint that is hallow inside
>allowing
>> > grease to enter for the needle bearings. The new joint will not have
>> > needle bearings either, instead it will have a high yield super slick
>> > metal coating on the ends that is currently in use in the aeronautics
>> > industry and has been taking the place of bearings. This means that
>since
>> > you don't need a lubricant or needle bearings you can increase the
>> > strength of the joint big time. The joint will still have end caps but
>> > since you don't have needle bearings it allows the joint to be much
>larger
>> > in diameter at the neck where the needle bearings use to be. The entire
>> > joint will be "thicker" and "solid", not hallow. Cast from 4130 air
>craft
>> > grade metal which will increase the strength at least by 50%
>if not more
>> > (still needs to be tested). Keith thinks it will be at least 70%. This
>> > joint will be a patent design by Redline and will be sold under
>Redline's
>> > name. Keith is thinking that the joints would sell for approx. $50.00
>each
>> > ($100 a set) with a lifetime warranty for any vehicle running 38" or
>> > smaller tires.
>> >
>> > This is still in R&D phase and Keith may have a set to test in 2 or 3
>> > weeks. Hopefully 2 weeks and I may be testing them in my Toy. If all
>> > goes well and the product works out he should start mass producing them
>> > and have them on the market in about 2 months from now. This
>could be a
>> > huge breakthrough in the industry from what I can tell. Tons of people
>> > running 44 front ends out there.
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:51:04 -0600
From: "Jesus Chio - Alloffroad.com" <jchio@a...>
Subject: Re: New Dana 44 U-joints

Ive talked to Keith and its a great idea.

Run stronger shafts and your weak lik will be either hubs or driveshaft
Ujoints.

www.PerformanceUnlimited.com has stronger shafts for EBs, worth to check it
out


Jesus Chio
Chief Editor
http://www.alloffroad.com

Free webpages:
http://signup.alloffroad.com




----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "LarryM" <jeeperaz@q...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] New Dana 44 U-joints


> So, does this move the fusible link to the axle shaft now? Ouch....those
> old $12 u-joints seemed like a better deal. (just thinking out loud)
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ
> http://www.stu-offroad.com
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: LarryM [mailto:jeeperaz@q...]
> >Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:30
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] New Dana 44 U-joints
> >
> >
> >Pulled this from another list I belong to. FYI... the company mentioned
has
> >a website located at http://www.redlineoffroad.com/
> >
> >Time will tell.....
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >
> >**> snip <**
> >> > For those of you running Dana 44 front ends I have some good news
from
> >> > Keith over at Redline. He is currently working on a new u-joint
design
> >> > with a company out on the east coast. This new u-joint should be
> >available
> >> > in about 2 months.
> >> >
> >> > Here is the deal: This new Dana 44 u-joint will be 50-70% stronger
(if
> >> > not more) than a stock u-joint, so this brings it up into dana 60
> >> > strength.
> >> > Sounds to good to be true I know.................................
> >> >
> >> > Here is what I know:
> >> >
> >> > The u-joint will be cast of 4130 aircraft metal and will be solid
> >> > through and through unlike a standard joint that is hallow inside
> >allowing
> >> > grease to enter for the needle bearings. The new joint will not have
> >> > needle bearings either, instead it will have a high yield super slick
> >> > metal coating on the ends that is currently in use in the aeronautics
> >> > industry and has been taking the place of bearings. This means that
> >since
> >> > you don't need a lubricant or needle bearings you can increase the
> >> > strength of the joint big time. The joint will still have end caps
but
> >> > since you don't have needle bearings it allows the joint to be much
> >larger
> >> > in diameter at the neck where the needle bearings use to be. The
entire
> >> > joint will be "thicker" and "solid", not hallow. Cast from 4130 air

> >craft
> >> > grade metal which will increase the strength at least by 50%
> >if not more
> >> > (still needs to be tested). Keith thinks it will be at least 70%.
This
> >> > joint will be a patent design by Redline and will be sold under
> >Redline's
> >> > name. Keith is thinking that the joints would sell for approx. $50.00
> >each
> >> > ($100 a set) with a lifetime warranty for any vehicle running 38" or
> >> > smaller tires.
> >> >
> >> > This is still in R&D phase and Keith may have a set to test in 2 or
3
> >> > weeks. Hopefully 2 weeks and I may be testing them in my Toy. If all
> >> > goes well and the product works out he should start mass producing
them
> >> > and have them on the market in about 2 months from now. This
> >could be a
> >> > huge breakthrough in the industry from what I can tell. Tons of
people
> >> > running 44 front ends out there.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>




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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2001 13:51:04 -0600
From: "Jesus Chio - Alloffroad.com" <jchio@a...>
Subject: Re: New Dana 44 U-joints

Ive talked to Keith and its a great idea.

Run stronger shafts and your weak lik will be either hubs or driveshaft
Ujoints.

www.PerformanceUnlimited.com has stronger shafts for EBs, worth to check it
out


Jesus Chio
Chief Editor
http://www.alloffroad.com

Free webpages:
http://signup.alloffroad.com




----- Original Message -----
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
To: "LarryM" <jeeperaz@q...>; <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] New Dana 44 U-joints


> So, does this move the fusible link to the axle shaft now? Ouch....those
> old $12 u-joints seemed like a better deal. (just thinking out loud)
>
> Stu
>
> Stu Olson N7QJP
> Phoenix, AZ
> http://www.stu-offroad.com
> http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>
>
>
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: LarryM [mailto:jeeperaz@q...]
> >Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:30
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: [az_vjc] New Dana 44 U-joints
> >
> >
> >Pulled this from another list I belong to. FYI... the company mentioned
has
> >a website located at http://www.redlineoffroad.com/
> >
> >Time will tell.....
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >
> >**> snip <**
> >> > For those of you running Dana 44 front ends I have some good news
from
> >> > Keith over at Redline. He is currently working on a new u-joint
design
> >> > with a company out on the east coast. This new u-joint should be
> >available
> >> > in about 2 months.
> >> >
> >> > Here is the deal: This new Dana 44 u-joint will be 50-70% stronger
(if
> >> > not more) than a stock u-joint, so this brings it up into dana 60
> >> > strength.
> >> > Sounds to good to be true I know.................................
> >> >
> >> > Here is what I know:
> >> >
> >> > The u-joint will be cast of 4130 aircraft metal and will be solid
> >> > through and through unlike a standard joint that is hallow inside
> >allowing
> >> > grease to enter for the needle bearings. The new joint will not have
> >> > needle bearings either, instead it will have a high yield super slick
> >> > metal coating on the ends that is currently in use in the aeronautics
> >> > industry and has been taking the place of bearings. This means that
> >since
> >> > you don't need a lubricant or needle bearings you can increase the
> >> > strength of the joint big time. The joint will still have end caps
but
> >> > since you don't have needle bearings it allows the joint to be much
> >larger
> >> > in diameter at the neck where the needle bearings use to be. The
entire
> >> > joint will be "thicker" and "solid", not hallow. Cast from 4130 air
> >craft
> >> > grade metal which will increase the strength at least by 50%
> >if not more
> >> > (still needs to be tested). Keith thinks it will be at least 70%.
This
> >> > joint will be a patent design by Redline and will be sold under
> >Redline's
> >> > name. Keith is thinking that the joints would sell for approx. $50.00
> >each
> >> > ($100 a set) with a lifetime warranty for any vehicle running 38" or
> >> > smaller tires.
> >> >
> >> > This is still in R&D phase and Keith may have a set to test in 2 or
3
> >> > weeks. Hopefully 2 weeks and I may be testing them in my Toy. If all
> >> > goes well and the product works out he should start mass producing
them
> >> > and have them on the market in about 2 months from now. This
> >could be a
> >> > huge breakthrough in the industry from what I can tell. Tons of
people
> >> > running 44 front ends out there.
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>




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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:02:35 -0700
From: "Pete Wirch" <wirch@m...>
Subject: Anyone done this? Opinions?

It looks like it could be done using decent quality screws found at the
hardware store. I've never heard of it before. Seems like a cheap
alternative to bead locks which can't be driven on the street.

http://performanceunlimited.com/customservices/rimscrewing.html

Pete



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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 13:26:19 -0700
From: "Stu Olson" <solson8@q...>
Subject: Tera 4:1 and 2LO install writeup

I finished editing the write-up comments and photos for yesterday's install
session.

They are on my web site www.stu-offroad.com in case you are curious about
anything that went on. Just follow the build-up link on the opening page
and enjoy.

Stu

Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8




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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 14:21:15 -0700
From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Subject: Re: SOA questions.

A good explaination of what you can expect and what you need could take
weeks to complete. Nothing is ever "common" when it comes to an SOA.
But there are a few rules-of-thumb that you could go by. (Again, these
are my opinions through experience and talking with others that have
done it)

First, 3-1/2" of suspension along with the shackles AND SOA is way too
much!! (IMHO). SOA will get you somewhere around 5". I'd look for a
set of stock YJ springs, go SOA and add the shackles if you want. The
rest of the clearance should come in the way of fender trimming. And
lots of it. There IS such a thing as too much lift on a trail rig. If
you plan to run 38's, you MUST swap out the axles (both front and rear -
assuming you still have the stock ones). D30's are broken (u-joints
mostly) regularly by 35's and good gearing. So 38's are even worse. So
since you need to go with bigger axles, look for a D44 setup with flat
top knuckles so you can go with high steering. Your problem is that the
drag link will want to hit the passenger's spring (at least I think this
is a problem in YJs similar to CJ's although the steering linkages are a
little different.)

Other things to consider:
1) Longer front driveshaft
2) Longer rear driveshaft
3) Slip Yoke Eliminator
4) CV rear driveshaft
5) Longer shocks and higher shock mounts to accomodate longer shocks.
6) Lower gearing for the 38's.
7) Steering geometry and hitting other components.
8) Steering box bracing due to larger tires
9) Welding skills
10) Setting the correct caster in front
11) Setting the correct angle on rear axle to point at transfer case
12) Stronger drag link and tie rod
13) Etc

I'm not trying to discourage you. I just want to be sure that you know
all to expect. This swap is not a "do-it-in-a-weekend" thing.
Especially not if you plan to run 38's. I did my SOA in 6 hours. All
that included was putting the springs on top of the axles and making it
drivable. I've now spent 6 months refining it to where it is usable on
the trail. And after having run Anaconda this past weekend, I think I
might finally have the right combination of stuff!
Well..........there's always something else! :-)

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http://www.goodnet.com/~eller




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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:30:19 -0700
From: "Joe W" <arizonajeep@h...>
Subject: RE: New Dana 44 U-joints

Well... I was thinking about upgrading from my front Dana44 to a Dana
60...but if this product actually goes to market; I'll try it first. I've
only broken one D44 Ujoint up front; its amazing how easy it is to do if you
do the wrong thing like hit the gas when you shouldn't. <grin>.

I hope this product comes out; thanks for the heads up.


Joe West

> -----Original Message-----
> From: LarryM [mailto:jeeperaz@q...]
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 12:30 PM
> To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [az_vjc] New Dana 44 U-joints
>
>
> Pulled this from another list I belong to. FYI... the company
> mentioned has
> a website located at http://www.redlineoffroad.com/
>
> Time will tell.....

>
> Larry
>
>
> **> snip <**
> > > For those of you running Dana 44 front ends I have some
> good news from
> > > Keith over at Redline. He is currently working on a new
> u-joint design
> > > with a company out on the east coast. This new u-joint should be
> available
> > > in about 2 months.
> > >
> > > Here is the deal: This new Dana 44 u-joint will be 50-70%
> stronger (if
> > > not more) than a stock u-joint, so this brings it up into dana 60
> > > strength.
> > > Sounds to good to be true I know.................................
> > >
> > > Here is what I know:
> > >
> > > The u-joint will be cast of 4130 aircraft metal and will be solid
> > > through and through unlike a standard joint that is hallow inside
> allowing
> > > grease to enter for the needle bearings. The new joint
> will not have
> > > needle bearings either, instead it will have a high yield
> super slick
> > > metal coating on the ends that is currently in use in the
> aeronautics
> > > industry and has been taking the place of bearings. This
> means that
> since
> > > you don't need a lubricant or needle bearings you can increase the
> > > strength of the joint big time. The joint will still have
> end caps but
> > > since you don't have needle bearings it allows the joint
> to be much
> larger
> > > in diameter at the neck where the needle bearings use to
> be. The entire
> > > joint will be "thicker" and "solid", not hallow. Cast
> from 4130 air
> craft
> > > grade metal which will increase the strength at least by
> 50% if not more
> > > (still needs to be tested). Keith thinks it will be at
> least 70%. This
> > > joint will be a patent design by Redline and will be sold under
> Redline's
> > > name. Keith is thinking that the joints would sell for
> approx. $50.00
> each
> > > ($100 a set) with a lifetime warranty for any vehicle
> running 38" or
> > > smaller tires.
> > >
> > > This is still in R&D phase and Keith may have a set to
> test in 2 or 3
> > > weeks. Hopefully 2 weeks and I may be testing them in my
> Toy. If all
> > > goes well and the product works out he should start mass
> producing them
> > > and have them on the market in about 2 months from now.
> This could be a
> > > huge breakthrough in the industry from what I can tell.
> Tons of people
> > > running 44 front ends out there.
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 23:33:26 -0000
From: gcdclark@y...
Subject: HELP<<YJ front Lockright installation Question

89yj, non-C clip front end, but on vacuum disconect side (ring-gear)
side there is one c-clip for the 2 piece shaft (vacuum disconect
side).

the problem is that the ring-gear(there is a thin and a large...i have
a large one) has to be removed to get the cross shaft pin out (thus
carrier was removed) from dif.... not....a problem, but on installtion
the c-clip has to be installed (for vaccuum disconnect shaft) before
you put in the guts of the lockright and replace cross shaft. can't do
that because the large wing gear is in the way.

My question is, finally there, will the lockright hold the shaft in
place without the c-clip on the vacuum disconnect side

hope this is clear enough for everyone, thanks in advance





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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 16:34:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Rich Drake <rodrake@y...>
Subject: El Oso Mine Photos

Yesterday was my first drive with the club and I had a great time. Jake and
Rebekah did a great job leading us with a little help from Larry's GPS.
Bryan (and his sweet lifted TJ) and I finished the day off with a Baja style
cruise down the mountain. As Jake said, the trail wasn't too difficult, but
the combination of a few obstacles, some snow, and the great views made it
an enjoyable ride. Check out my PhotoPoint album for a few pictures:
El Oso Mine
Rich Drake


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Message: 24
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 17:46:37 -0700
From: "Eric Herring" <herring@u...>
Subject: RE: Anyone done this? Opinions?

That's an old drag racing trick. It works but probably isn't so hot on the
tires.

Eric Herring 92XJ


-----Original Message-----
From: Pete Wirch [mailto:wirch@m...]
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:03 PM
To: AZVJC
Subject: [az_vjc] Anyone done this? Opinions?


It looks like it could be done using decent quality screws found at the
hardware store. I've never heard of it before. Seems like a cheap
alternative to bead locks which can't be driven on the street.

http://performanceunlimited.com/customservices/rimscrewing.html

Pete







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Message: 25
Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:59:29 -0700
From: "Blair" <blairb20@h...>
Subject: Firstwater still open...

I could definitely be wrong, but it seemed like Firstwater was open today. I
was on a few sections and there were no fences or signs.

-B



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18636 From: <joey@j...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 6:43pm
Subject: Drowned YJ


As you all will soon hear about. I drowned my 93YJ. I leared a lesson
about look before you dive. I will learn from that lesson that is for
sure. The YJ apears untouched but my cameras (sniff) were floating in
the tub. (Any one know a good camera repair shop.) I have a
question.. What imediate attention should one give to a drowned
vehicle? Change fluids, repack barings???
TIA
Joey K
Soggy 93YJ

PS the jeep performed great on dry land after the soaking.


18637 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@e...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 6:44pm
Subject: Re: Drowned YJ


At a minimum, I would change the engine, transmission, transfer case, and
both diff's fluids as soon as possible, as well as to lube any available
grease fittings.

Lon

----- Original Message -----
From: <joey@j...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 7:43 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Drowned YJ


>
> As you all will soon hear about. I drowned my 93YJ. I leared a lesson
> about look before you dive. I will learn from that lesson that is for
> sure. The YJ apears untouched but my cameras (sniff) were floating in
> the tub. (Any one know a good camera repair shop.) I have a
> question.. What imediate attention should one give to a drowned
> vehicle? Change fluids, repack barings???
> TIA
> Joey K
> Soggy 93YJ
>
> PS the jeep performed great on dry land after the soaking.
>
>
>


18638 From: Kevin <nau88xj@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 7:02pm
Subject: Re: Drowned YJ


when i drove my XJ into a river over the hood I had it towed home....then i
changed the engine oil, took out the spark plugs and shot water out of the
holes by turning over the engine a few times, changed both diff fluids,
changed tranny fluid, replaced the fuel filter, put HEET in gas (bonds gas
and water in gas tank to get water out of system safely...and then i closed
my eyes and turned the key...it took a while before the engine finally
started running....but it ran fine after that. I would also repack/replace
bearings depending on if you have the servicable type bearings.

kevin


----- Original Message -----
From: <joey@j...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 7:43 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Drowned YJ


>
> As you all will soon hear about. I drowned my 93YJ. I leared a lesson
> about look before you dive. I will learn from that lesson that is for
> sure. The YJ apears untouched but my cameras (sniff) were floating in
> the tub. (Any one know a good camera repair shop.) I have a
> question.. What imediate attention should one give to a drowned
> vehicle? Change fluids, repack barings???
> TIA
> Joey K
> Soggy 93YJ
>
> PS the jeep performed great on dry land after the soaking.
>
>
>
>
>


18639 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 7:08pm
Subject: Re: Drowned YJ


Welcome to the club!!!!

--- In az_vjc@y..., joey@j... wrote:
>
> As you all will soon hear about. I drowned my 93YJ. I leared a
lesson
> about look before you dive. I will learn from that lesson that is
for
> sure. The YJ apears untouched but my cameras (sniff) were floating
in
> the tub. (Any one know a good camera repair shop.) I have a
> question.. What imediate attention should one give to a drowned
> vehicle? Change fluids, repack barings???
> TIA
> Joey K
> Soggy 93YJ
>
> PS the jeep performed great on dry land after the soaking.


18640 From: <oveson2@j...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 7:14pm
Subject: Re: Need Help with Discon question


Are you losing them when they are connected or when they are
disconnected and on the storage studs?




--- In az_vjc@y..., DAVISis@h... wrote:
> 99 TJ with a 4" lift. I have the TeraFlex new gen swaybar
discons.
> I keep losing the pass side hitch pin and washer. Kinda tired of
> it. What are the ramifications (besides some extra loose travel)
if
> I keep the swaybar disconnected all the time (on and off road)?
>
> TIA,
>
> Glen


18641 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 7:31pm
Subject: Trail report DRY turkey creek


I just got home a few minutes ago had a great fun and met a lot more of you
today I was one to two XJ's on the trip with ten other wranglers,CJ's etc.

Buy the way the creek was far from dry we crossed the RIVER no less than 20
times and several crossings where a bit deep.....most crossing where 6 to
12" with a few well over 18"....not a very technical trail with a few
exceptions the long narrow slot too narrow for any full size most jeeps with
12.5's where running on sidewalls most of the slot and there was a small
section just before where all jeeps got through without bending any sheet
metal....it was a good day onlly one drowning and one torn sidewall. I am
downloading pics now and will be posting them later tonight on photopoint
and will let you all know.

Brian Harmon

Soggy 88 XJ
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18642 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 7:33pm
Subject: Re: Anyone done this? Opinions?


Pete Wirch wrote:
>
> It looks like it could be done using decent quality screws found at the
> hardware store. I've never heard of it before. Seems like a cheap
> alternative to bead locks which can't be driven on the street.
>
> http://performanceunlimited.com/customservices/rimscrewing.html
>
> Pete

Did it years ago on a drag car. There we were running a tube, so I
can't say how they would work tubeless.

--
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Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.


18643 From: Leonard K. Pennock <leonardpennock@h...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 7:37pm
Subject: Re: Drowned YJ


Tempe Camera.

joey@j... wrote:
>
> As you all will soon hear about. I drowned my 93YJ. I leared a lesson
> about look before you dive. I will learn from that lesson that is for
> sure. The YJ apears untouched but my cameras (sniff) were floating in
> the tub. (Any one know a good camera repair shop.) I have a
> question.. What imediate attention should one give to a drowned
> vehicle? Change fluids, repack barings???
> TIA
> Joey K
> Soggy 93YJ
>
> PS the jeep performed great on dry land after the soaking.

--
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Those who walk bravely through life, unafraid of loss or failure,
find that they very rarely lose or fail.


18644 From: Tom Dunn <tdunnsprint@e...>
Date: Sun Feb 11, 2001 8:25pm
Subject: RE: Digest Number 604


Re: 604 Msg 25: Firstwater

I was out on Firstwater today also, looking for quail, and I noticed a lot
of the popular access entrances off the road have been fenced off. Like the
one going up the hill for instance. I never minded having the "Land Closed
for Restoration", I can respect that, and it actually gets to be needed
sometimes (that hill has been torn up pretty well, mudders, etc). But
removing access just because they can, doesn't make any sense to me. Seems
like we'll all have to park in parking lots with latrines, ramadas, and
picnic tables. A true "winderness experience" - ha!
-Tom D, 95 Blk 4Runner

>Message: 25
> Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2001 18:59:29 -0700
> From: "Blair" <blairb20@h...>
>Subject: Firstwater still open...

>I could definitely be wrong, but it seemed like Firstwater was open today.
I
>was on a few sections and there were no fences or signs.

>-B