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18495 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 3:59pm
Subject: El Oso Mine
Has anyone taken the trail before? I'm leading the
trip saturday and am just curious how the trail is and
if there is any difficulty finding it?
Jake
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18496 From: Greg Stapley <love24wheel@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:36pm
Subject: RE: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
Actually on Sat morn I have to do a physical fitness test for the army, so that is out of the question, I might try to get out on sun though..
>From: "Siade, Randy"
>To: "'Greg Stapley'" , tomasr@agcs.com, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:46:19 -0600
>
>The meeting place for the Bumble Bee run is Table Mesa Rd. only becasue of
>it's convience. Bumble Bee is north of Black Canyon City. So come on out for
>some fun!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Stapley [mailto:love24wheel@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:37 PM
>To: tomasr@agcs.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
>
>
>
>Yes, howver the trail specs say to meet at table mesa rd
>
>
>
> >From: Roger Tomas
> >Reply-To: tomasr@agcs.com
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
> >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:56:33 -0700
> >
> >
> >Actually, Bumble Bee is not in the Table Mesa area - it is further north.
> >
> >
> >Greg Stapley wrote:
> > >
> > > apeerantly at 9:30 at table mesa rd they have a bumble bee run.. I might
>go.. we'll see
> > >
> > > >From: "LarryM"
> > > >Reply-To: "LarryM"
> > > >To: "Brian Harmon" ,
> > > >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this
>weekend?
> > > >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:35:18 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Im itching to go out as well. Looks like I will have to fly to London
>the
> > > >following weekend so I need to get in some trail time before then.
> > > >
> > > >Raw Deal?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Brian Harmon
> > > >To:
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:48 PM
> > > >Subject: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im
>itching to
> > > > > go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them
>is
> > > >having
> > > > > surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes
>under the
> > > > > knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for
>the
> > > > > weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I
>live
> > > >in
> > > > > Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Harmon
> >
> >
> >
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18497 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:39pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Great idea Mike. One suggestion...combine it w/ a clean up....a good way to
get people off on the right foot :o)
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <mike.chatfield@p...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> Anyone who's been off-road much is qualified to help instruct.
> I've just noticed that alot of our new members have comments like
> "Just bought an '01 TJ, want to take it off-road" in their profiles.
>
> Tax Day would give us plenty of time to make plans and get things
arranged.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timdonnellan@c... [mailto:Timdonnellan@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:47 PM
> To: mike.chatfield@p...
> Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>
>
> Great idea Mike,
>
> Why dont we do another "tax relief run" at White take mountains and make
it
> a
> class day in wheelin 101 thruogh grad school.
> I would love to help and instruct if you think im qualified
>
> Tim
> 97 tj Barney
> 2000 xj
>
>
>
>
18498 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:43pm
Subject: Re: El Oso Mine
Yes...I've done it several times. I posted a write up on the club web site.
It's generally a class 3...maybe a 3+ in one or 2 spots.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Wagner" <jakewagner@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:59 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] El Oso Mine
> Has anyone taken the trail before? I'm leading the
> trip saturday and am just curious how the trail is and
> if there is any difficulty finding it?
>
> Jake
>
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18499 From: Larry T. <lwt002@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:50pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Everybody-
I second the idea of the clean up. I also like the idea of the coves,
becuase it does have a wide range of terrain and it is ALWAYS in need
of clean up.
If we waited a couple weeks and did the coves I could bring my
trailer and we could load up a bunch of stuff. I would also be
willing to lead a run or whatever.
Larry T
18500 From: Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:52pm
Subject: Rear main seal on a 258
I'm going to replace the rear main seal and oil pan
gasket on an 86 cj7 with the 258. Does the jeep need
to be on jack stands to do the rear main seal? My
book says to put it on jack stands but I don't have
any right now. Do I need to get some?
Thanks,
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18501 From: LarryM <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 5:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Sounds like a good idea. Personally, I hate the Coves. Ugliest place I've
ever been wheelin.... maybe it was all the trash I picked up that turned my
stomach.
White Tanks has some good stuff and P4W is one of my favorite areas.... but
a lot of it has closed last summer.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry T. <lwt002@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 5:50 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> Everybody-
>
> I second the idea of the clean up. I also like the idea of the coves,
> becuase it does have a wide range of terrain and it is ALWAYS in need
> of clean up.
>
> If we waited a couple weeks and did the coves I could bring my
> trailer and we could load up a bunch of stuff. I would also be
> willing to lead a run or whatever.
>
>
> Larry T
>
>
>
>
>
18502 From: <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 5:20pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
How about the sycamore creek area? There is a lot of hills,sand & fun
runs.
John
--- In az_vjc@y..., mike.chatfield@p... wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I've been thinking about putting together a "Beginner's" trail
run.
> I've noticed that we have alot of new Jeepers anxious to get out
and
> try some of the trails, but may be unfamiliar with our trail
ratings,
> or worried that they are not up for alot of the runs we have.
Besides
> alot of runs that are posted are of the 3.5+ to 4.5+ variety.
>
> What I have in mind is to choose an area with a variety of trails,
> have multiple experienced 4-wheelers to provide instruction. Idealy
> it would be a two-part event. A "Four-Wheeling 101" clinic part
and
> a trail run. This could be done in the course of a single day, or
> over a weekend.
>
> For Arizona, the "4-Wheeling 101" course I think should cover:
>
> - Steep Hills (going up and coming down)
> - Rocks
> - Sand
> - Off-Camber trails
> - Twisters (flex that suspension)
>
> There are a few areas that come to mind:
>
> 1. The P4W Ranch area. Depending on how much of the area is still
> available, this area has a multitude of trails and varying types of
4
> wheeling. I think this area has the best chance of providing a
> successful "4-Wheeling 101" course, as there are plenty of "play
> areas."
>
> 2. The South-End of the Whitetank Mts. With its trail variety and
> number of crossing trails, this would make a good area as well.
>
> 3. Florence Junction area. While this is a great area for the
trail
> run, I don't believe that there is much opportunity for a
successful
> "4-Wheeling 101" course.
>
> 4. Table Mesa area. Once again a good area for trail runs, but
not
> much for a "4-Wheeling 101" course.
>
> Is this something you'd be interested in attending (as a beginner)
or
> leading (as a "teacher"), anthing I missed?
>
> - Mike
18503 From: <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 0:32pm
Subject: Fwd: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
In a message dated 2/8/01 6:31:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
xjnation@hotmail.com writes:
<< az_vjc@yahoogroups.com >>
From: "Brian Harmon" xjnation@h...
To: trmn8rjn98@a...
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:31:17 -0700
Dont forget Broken Arrow in Sedona...alittle sand....alittle slick
rock.....alittle off camber...great training ground.
Brian Harmon
>From: trmn8rjn98@aol.com
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 01:20:28 -0000
>
>How about the sycamore creek area? There is a lot of hills,sand & fun
>runs.
>John
>
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., mike.chatfield@p... wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I've been thinking about putting together a "Beginner's" trail
>run.
> > I've noticed that we have alot of new Jeepers anxious to get out
>and
> > try some of the trails, but may be unfamiliar with our trail
>ratings,
> > or worried that they are not up for alot of the runs we have.
>Besides
> > alot of runs that are posted are of the 3.5+ to 4.5+ variety.
> >
> > What I have in mind is to choose an area with a variety of trails,
> > have multiple experienced 4-wheelers to provide instruction. Idealy
> > it would be a two-part event. A "Four-Wheeling 101" clinic part
>and
> > a trail run. This could be done in the course of a single day, or
> > over a weekend.
> >
> > For Arizona, the "4-Wheeling 101" course I think should cover:
> >
> > - Steep Hills (going up and coming down)
> > - Rocks
> > - Sand
> > - Off-Camber trails
> > - Twisters (flex that suspension)
> >
> > There are a few areas that come to mind:
> >
> > 1. The P4W Ranch area. Depending on how much of the area is still
> > available, this area has a multitude of trails and varying types of
>4
> > wheeling. I think this area has the best chance of providing a
> > successful "4-Wheeling 101" course, as there are plenty of "play
> > areas."
> >
> > 2. The South-End of the Whitetank Mts. With its trail variety and
> > number of crossing trails, this would make a good area as well.
> >
> > 3. Florence Junction area. While this is a great area for the
>trail
> > run, I don't believe that there is much opportunity for a
>successful
> > "4-Wheeling 101" course.
> >
> > 4. Table Mesa area. Once again a good area for trail runs, but
>not
> > much for a "4-Wheeling 101" course.
> >
> > Is this something you'd be interested in attending (as a beginner)
>or
> > leading (as a "teacher"), anthing I missed?
> >
> > - Mike
>
>
>
>
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18504 From: <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 0:40pm
Subject: Fwd: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:38:46 -0700
From: "Stu Olson" solson8@q...
To: trmn8rjn98@a...
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
In-Reply-To: F69KtKufVma0osA91E9000016ee@h...
yes....but a poor location to actually conduct training, since the trails
are so heavily traveled....you would for ever be in the way of someone else
trying to get down the trail. I think Mike was thinking of an area where
you could actually practice doing an obstacle many times until one was
confident, and then moving on to the next one. (At least that was my
understanding of the plan)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Harmon [mailto:xjnation@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 18:31
>To: trmn8rjn98@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>
>
>Dont forget Broken Arrow in Sedona...alittle sand....alittle slick
>rock.....alittle off camber...great training ground.
>
>Brian Harmon
>
>
>>From: trmn8rjn98@aol.com
>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>>Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 01:20:28 -0000
>>
>>How about the sycamore creek area? There is a lot of hills,sand & fun
>>runs.
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>--- In az_vjc@y..., mike.chatfield@p... wrote:
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> > I've been thinking about putting together a "Beginner's" trail
>>run.
>> > I've noticed that we have alot of new Jeepers anxious to get out
>>and
>> > try some of the trails, but may be unfamiliar with our trail
>>ratings,
>> > or worried that they are not up for alot of the runs we have.
>>Besides
>> > alot of runs that are posted are of the 3.5+ to 4.5+ variety.
>> >
>> > What I have in mind is to choose an area with a variety of trails,
>> > have multiple experienced 4-wheelers to provide instruction. Idealy
>> > it would be a two-part event. A "Four-Wheeling 101" clinic part
>>and
>> > a trail run. This could be done in the course of a single day, or
>> > over a weekend.
>> >
>> > For Arizona, the "4-Wheeling 101" course I think should cover:
>> >
>> > - Steep Hills (going up and coming down)
>> > - Rocks
>> > - Sand
>> > - Off-Camber trails
>> > - Twisters (flex that suspension)
>> >
>> > There are a few areas that come to mind:
>> >
>> > 1. The P4W Ranch area. Depending on how much of the area is still
>> > available, this area has a multitude of trails and varying types of
>>4
>> > wheeling. I think this area has the best chance of providing a
>> > successful "4-Wheeling 101" course, as there are plenty of "play
>> > areas."
>> >
>> > 2. The South-End of the Whitetank Mts. With its trail variety and
>> > number of crossing trails, this would make a good area as well.
>> >
>> > 3. Florence Junction area. While this is a great area for the
>>trail
>> > run, I don't believe that there is much opportunity for a
>>successful
>> > "4-Wheeling 101" course.
>> >
>> > 4. Table Mesa area. Once again a good area for trail runs, but
>>not
>> > much for a "4-Wheeling 101" course.
>> >
>> > Is this something you'd be interested in attending (as a beginner)
>>or
>> > leading (as a "teacher"), anthing I missed?
>> >
>> > - Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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18505 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 5:47pm
Subject: Re: Turkey Creek
Jake,
Kathy and I went through Turkey Creek last year with Mike Chatfield leading
the run.
I am assuming that you are talking about a TJ. At the time we went through
Turkey Creek, our TJ was stock except for 1 3/4" spacer lift, 30x9.50
factory Wranglers, and limited slip.
You should be able to make it through with no problems, but you may bang the
gas tank in a couple of places, seems that hitting the tank is real common
for TJ's.
Lon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Wagner" <jakewagner@y...>
To: <AZ_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Turkey Creek
> Can a stock vehicle without lockers and just 30x9.50
> BFG ATs make the trail or will I have difficulty?
>
> Jake
>
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18506 From: KHD1972 <KHD1972@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 6:49pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
I love the idea. I'm VERY new to Jeepin and would love the chance to watch
others and get pointers, etc. And I REALLY love the idea of a clean-up as
well. I have not been able to make any of the ones so far.
One request. Can it be on a Sunday? Saturdays are impossible for me,
and I really want to get into the clean up side, as well as the trail
running.
Keirvan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <mike.chatfield@p...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>
>
> > Anyone who's been off-road much is qualified to help instruct.
> > I've just noticed that alot of our new members have comments like
> > "Just bought an '01 TJ, want to take it off-road" in their profiles.
> >
> > Tax Day would give us plenty of time to make plans and get things
> arranged.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Timdonnellan@c... [mailto:Timdonnellan@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:47 PM
> > To: mike.chatfield@p...
> > Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> >
> >
> > Great idea Mike,
> >
> > Why dont we do another "tax relief run" at White take mountains and make
> it
> > a
> > class day in wheelin 101 thruogh grad school.
> > I would love to help and instruct if you think im qualified
> >
> > Tim
> > 97 tj Barney
> > 2000 xj
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
18507 From: KHD1972 <KHD1972@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 6:49pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
I love the idea. I'm VERY new to Jeepin and would love the chance to watch
others and get pointers, etc. And I REALLY love the idea of a clean-up as
well. I have not been able to make any of the ones so far.
One request. Can it be on a Sunday? Saturdays are impossible for me,
and I really want to get into the clean up side, as well as the trail
running.
Keirvan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <mike.chatfield@p...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>
>
> > Anyone who's been off-road much is qualified to help instruct.
> > I've just noticed that alot of our new members have comments like
> > "Just bought an '01 TJ, want to take it off-road" in their profiles.
> >
> > Tax Day would give us plenty of time to make plans and get things
> arranged.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Timdonnellan@c... [mailto:Timdonnellan@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:47 PM
> > To: mike.chatfield@p...
> > Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> >
> >
> > Great idea Mike,
> >
> > Why dont we do another "tax relief run" at White take mountains and make
> it
> > a
> > class day in wheelin 101 thruogh grad school.
> > I would love to help and instruct if you think im qualified
> >
> > Tim
> > 97 tj Barney
> > 2000 xj
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
18508 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:02pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
I think it is a great idea Mike anything I can do just let me know. The
last time we were out near P4W though about everything was closed off. Count
me in to help out though.
Jim Florence
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <mike.chatfield@p...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>
>
> > Anyone who's been off-road much is qualified to help instruct.
> > I've just noticed that alot of our new members have comments like
> > "Just bought an '01 TJ, want to take it off-road" in their profiles.
> >
> > Tax Day would give us plenty of time to make plans and get things
> arranged.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Timdonnellan@c... [mailto:Timdonnellan@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:47 PM
> > To: mike.chatfield@p...
> > Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> >
> >
> > Great idea Mike,
> >
> > Why dont we do another "tax relief run" at White take mountains and make
> it
> > a
> > class day in wheelin 101 thruogh grad school.
> > I would love to help and instruct if you think im qualified
> >
> > Tim
> > 97 tj Barney
> > 2000 xj
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
18509 From: Greg Stapley <love24wheel@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:07pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Count me in, and put my vote for the sycamore area.. Only bad part is that there is alot of people there, se we might be in the way, although if there was alot of us picking up, perhaps we could inspire all the other people to pick up too, or atleast pick up their stuff..
>From: "Hackle"
>To: "#Jeep Club"
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 20:02:13 -0700
>
> I think it is a great idea Mike anything I can do just let me know. The
>last time we were out near P4W though about everything was closed off. Count
>me in to help out though.
>Jim Florence
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chatfield, Mike"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:50 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> >
> >
> > > Anyone who's been off-road much is qualified to help instruct.
> > > I've just noticed that alot of our new members have comments like
> > > "Just bought an '01 TJ, want to take it off-road" in their profiles.
> > >
> > > Tax Day would give us plenty of time to make plans and get things
> > arranged.
> > >
> > > - Mike
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Timdonnellan@cs.com [mailto:Timdonnellan@cs.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:47 PM
> > > To: mike.chatfield@pegs.com
> > > Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> > >
> > >
> > > Great idea Mike,
> > >
> > > Why dont we do another "tax relief run" at White take mountains and make
> > it
> > > a
> > > class day in wheelin 101 thruogh grad school.
> > > I would love to help and instruct if you think im qualified
> > >
> > > Tim
> > > 97 tj Barney
> > > 2000 xj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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18510 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:45pm
Subject: Spare Tire Bike Rack For Sale/Hi Lift for sale
I have a bike rack that goes on the back spare tire
for sale. Been used twice and is just taking up
space. Also have a 48" Hi-Lift Jack for Sale. Never
been used!
$50 for each item!
E-mail me: jakewagner@y...
Jake
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18511 From: Blair <blairb20@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:50pm
Subject: Beginner's run
I'm up for the Coves or Sycamore and definitely a clean-up.
-B
18512 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:02pm
Subject: Re: Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
Does anyone that is coming have bolt cutters? We might need them to cut the
fencing we are using.
Chris
18513 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:24pm
Subject: Re: Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
Chris it looks like I will be able to make it an I will have a battery
sawzall that should work.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
> Does anyone that is coming have bolt cutters? We might need them to cut
the
> fencing we are using.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
18514 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:24pm
Subject: Re: Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
Thanks! Looking forward to seeing you again.
Chris
> From: "Hackle" <hackle@u...>
> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:24:41 -0700
> To: "#Jeep Club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
>
> Chris it looks like I will be able to make it an I will have a battery
> sawzall that should work.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
>
>
>> Does anyone that is coming have bolt cutters? We might need them to cut
> the
>> fencing we are using.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
18515 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:36pm
Subject: Lighting Question
Is it OK to run 4 KC's (100 watts each) all to one on/off switch,
without using a relay?
Dan
18516 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:51pm
Subject: Re: Beginner's run
I'll be happy to help out with a beginners day, but all of my experience is
with herding full-size (over size?) rigs into places where they really don't
fit. There are many people in the club more qualified to instruct "little"
Jeep owners in the fine points of 'wheeling, but if there are enough folks
out there in large vehicles I'll be happy to spend time with them.
I would think that either the Coves or the south end of the White Tanks
would be good candidates for areas. Both offer several types of
challenges......it kinda depends on what people want. The White Tanks area
is a bit more suited to rock crawling, but the Coves has more hill climbs.
Pam and I are kinda partial to the Coves though. :-)
Combining it with a clean up run is a fantastic idea. Count me in, teaching
or not.
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: Blair <blairb20@h...>
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Beginner's run
>I'm up for the Coves or Sycamore and definitely a clean-up.
>
>-B
>
>
>
>
18517 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 11:41pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Mike...the state 4wd assoc. offers "OR 101" type classes all around the
state...I used to have the number for the Mesa class...I can try to dig it
up if anyone is interested....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
I still miss my ex-wife.....but my aim IS improving
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18518 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@n...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 11:46pm
Subject: Begginers AND
Awhile back (good God must have been two years ago) I mentioned a
maintenence run. It never panned out do to heat and lack of a place. We
could probably combine a Maintanance run with a beginers run. I think there
are possible alot of people that beat there Jeeps but need a begineers
course on maintaining their Jeep. I have tools!
Nick
18519 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 4:28am
Subject: Re: Lighting Question
In a word-no. If you check the current draw on each light you will
probably find that you should use two relays, one for each pair. It is
not really that much more work and everything will stay cool and not
burn up wiring. You still only need one switch. Off Road has small size
relays that are cheep and easy to install. I used them for my lights and
air pump.
Bob
Bob
Dan Coley wrote:
> Is it OK to run 4 KC's (100 watts each) all to one on/off switch,
> without using a relay?
>
> Dan
18495 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 3:59pm
Subject: El Oso Mine
Has anyone taken the trail before? I'm leading the
trip saturday and am just curious how the trail is and
if there is any difficulty finding it?
Jake
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18496 From: Greg Stapley <love24wheel@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:36pm
Subject: RE: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
Actually on Sat morn I have to do a physical fitness test for the army, so that is out of the question, I might try to get out on sun though..
>From: "Siade, Randy"
>To: "'Greg Stapley'" , tomasr@agcs.com, az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: RE: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 17:46:19 -0600
>
>The meeting place for the Bumble Bee run is Table Mesa Rd. only becasue of
>it's convience. Bumble Bee is north of Black Canyon City. So come on out for
>some fun!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Greg Stapley [mailto:love24wheel@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:37 PM
>To: tomasr@agcs.com; az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
>
>
>
>Yes, howver the trail specs say to meet at table mesa rd
>
>
>
> >From: Roger Tomas
> >Reply-To: tomasr@agcs.com
> >To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
> >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
> >Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 09:56:33 -0700
> >
> >
> >Actually, Bumble Bee is not in the Table Mesa area - it is further north.
> >
> >
> >Greg Stapley wrote:
> > >
> > > apeerantly at 9:30 at table mesa rd they have a bumble bee run.. I might
>go.. we'll see
> > >
> > > >From: "LarryM"
> > > >Reply-To: "LarryM"
> > > >To: "Brian Harmon" ,
> > > >Subject: Re: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this
>weekend?
> > > >Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:35:18 -0700
> > > >
> > > >Im itching to go out as well. Looks like I will have to fly to London
>the
> > > >following weekend so I need to get in some trail time before then.
> > > >
> > > >Raw Deal?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: Brian Harmon
> > > >To:
> > > >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:48 PM
> > > >Subject: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hey All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im
>itching to
> > > > > go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them
>is
> > > >having
> > > > > surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes
>under the
> > > > > knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for
>the
> > > > > weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I
>live
> > > >in
> > > > > Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
> > > > >
> > > > > Brian Harmon
> >
> >
> >
>
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18497 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:39pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Great idea Mike. One suggestion...combine it w/ a clean up....a good way to
get people off on the right foot :o)
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chatfield, Mike" <mike.chatfield@p...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:50 PM
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> Anyone who's been off-road much is qualified to help instruct.
> I've just noticed that alot of our new members have comments like
> "Just bought an '01 TJ, want to take it off-road" in their profiles.
>
> Tax Day would give us plenty of time to make plans and get things
arranged.
>
> - Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Timdonnellan@c... [mailto:Timdonnellan@c...]
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:47 PM
> To: mike.chatfield@p...
> Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>
>
> Great idea Mike,
>
> Why dont we do another "tax relief run" at White take mountains and make
it
> a
> class day in wheelin 101 thruogh grad school.
> I would love to help and instruct if you think im qualified
>
> Tim
> 97 tj Barney
> 2000 xj
>
>
>
>
18498 From: DougB <azjeep@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:43pm
Subject: Re: El Oso Mine
Yes...I've done it several times. I posted a write up on the club web site.
It's generally a class 3...maybe a 3+ in one or 2 spots.
Doug
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Wagner" <jakewagner@y...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:59 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] El Oso Mine
> Has anyone taken the trail before? I'm leading the
> trip saturday and am just curious how the trail is and
> if there is any difficulty finding it?
>
> Jake
>
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18499 From: Larry T. <lwt002@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:50pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Everybody-
I second the idea of the clean up. I also like the idea of the coves,
becuase it does have a wide range of terrain and it is ALWAYS in need
of clean up.
If we waited a couple weeks and did the coves I could bring my
trailer and we could load up a bunch of stuff. I would also be
willing to lead a run or whatever.
Larry T
18500 From: Daryl Faust <louddog71@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:52pm
Subject: Rear main seal on a 258
I'm going to replace the rear main seal and oil pan
gasket on an 86 cj7 with the 258. Does the jeep need
to be on jack stands to do the rear main seal? My
book says to put it on jack stands but I don't have
any right now. Do I need to get some?
Thanks,
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18501 From: LarryM <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 5:11pm
Subject: Re: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Sounds like a good idea. Personally, I hate the Coves. Ugliest place I've
ever been wheelin.... maybe it was all the trash I picked up that turned my
stomach.
White Tanks has some good stuff and P4W is one of my favorite areas.... but
a lot of it has closed last summer.
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry T. <lwt002@a...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 5:50 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> Everybody-
>
> I second the idea of the clean up. I also like the idea of the coves,
> becuase it does have a wide range of terrain and it is ALWAYS in need
> of clean up.
>
> If we waited a couple weeks and did the coves I could bring my
> trailer and we could load up a bunch of stuff. I would also be
> willing to lead a run or whatever.
>
>
> Larry T
>
>
>
>
>
18502 From: <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 5:20pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
How about the sycamore creek area? There is a lot of hills,sand & fun
runs.
John
--- In az_vjc@y..., mike.chatfield@p... wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> I've been thinking about putting together a "Beginner's" trail
run.
> I've noticed that we have alot of new Jeepers anxious to get out
and
> try some of the trails, but may be unfamiliar with our trail
ratings,
> or worried that they are not up for alot of the runs we have.
Besides
> alot of runs that are posted are of the 3.5+ to 4.5+ variety.
>
> What I have in mind is to choose an area with a variety of trails,
> have multiple experienced 4-wheelers to provide instruction. Idealy
> it would be a two-part event. A "Four-Wheeling 101" clinic part
and
> a trail run. This could be done in the course of a single day, or
> over a weekend.
>
> For Arizona, the "4-Wheeling 101" course I think should cover:
>
> - Steep Hills (going up and coming down)
> - Rocks
> - Sand
> - Off-Camber trails
> - Twisters (flex that suspension)
>
> There are a few areas that come to mind:
>
> 1. The P4W Ranch area. Depending on how much of the area is still
> available, this area has a multitude of trails and varying types of
4
> wheeling. I think this area has the best chance of providing a
> successful "4-Wheeling 101" course, as there are plenty of "play
> areas."
>
> 2. The South-End of the Whitetank Mts. With its trail variety and
> number of crossing trails, this would make a good area as well.
>
> 3. Florence Junction area. While this is a great area for the
trail
> run, I don't believe that there is much opportunity for a
successful
> "4-Wheeling 101" course.
>
> 4. Table Mesa area. Once again a good area for trail runs, but
not
> much for a "4-Wheeling 101" course.
>
> Is this something you'd be interested in attending (as a beginner)
or
> leading (as a "teacher"), anthing I missed?
>
> - Mike
18503 From: <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 0:32pm
Subject: Fwd: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
In a message dated 2/8/01 6:31:36 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
xjnation@hotmail.com writes:
<< az_vjc@yahoogroups.com >>
From: "Brian Harmon" xjnation@h...
To: trmn8rjn98@a...
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2001 18:31:17 -0700
Dont forget Broken Arrow in Sedona...alittle sand....alittle slick
rock.....alittle off camber...great training ground.
Brian Harmon
>From: trmn8rjn98@aol.com
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 01:20:28 -0000
>
>How about the sycamore creek area? There is a lot of hills,sand & fun
>runs.
>John
>
>
>
>--- In az_vjc@y..., mike.chatfield@p... wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > I've been thinking about putting together a "Beginner's" trail
>run.
> > I've noticed that we have alot of new Jeepers anxious to get out
>and
> > try some of the trails, but may be unfamiliar with our trail
>ratings,
> > or worried that they are not up for alot of the runs we have.
>Besides
> > alot of runs that are posted are of the 3.5+ to 4.5+ variety.
> >
> > What I have in mind is to choose an area with a variety of trails,
> > have multiple experienced 4-wheelers to provide instruction. Idealy
> > it would be a two-part event. A "Four-Wheeling 101" clinic part
>and
> > a trail run. This could be done in the course of a single day, or
> > over a weekend.
> >
> > For Arizona, the "4-Wheeling 101" course I think should cover:
> >
> > - Steep Hills (going up and coming down)
> > - Rocks
> > - Sand
> > - Off-Camber trails
> > - Twisters (flex that suspension)
> >
> > There are a few areas that come to mind:
> >
> > 1. The P4W Ranch area. Depending on how much of the area is still
> > available, this area has a multitude of trails and varying types of
>4
> > wheeling. I think this area has the best chance of providing a
> > successful "4-Wheeling 101" course, as there are plenty of "play
> > areas."
> >
> > 2. The South-End of the Whitetank Mts. With its trail variety and
> > number of crossing trails, this would make a good area as well.
> >
> > 3. Florence Junction area. While this is a great area for the
>trail
> > run, I don't believe that there is much opportunity for a
>successful
> > "4-Wheeling 101" course.
> >
> > 4. Table Mesa area. Once again a good area for trail runs, but
>not
> > much for a "4-Wheeling 101" course.
> >
> > Is this something you'd be interested in attending (as a beginner)
>or
> > leading (as a "teacher"), anthing I missed?
> >
> > - Mike
>
>
>
>
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18504 From: <trmn8rjn98@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 0:40pm
Subject: Fwd: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 18:38:46 -0700
From: "Stu Olson" solson8@q...
To: trmn8rjn98@a...
Subject: RE: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
In-Reply-To: F69KtKufVma0osA91E9000016ee@h...
yes....but a poor location to actually conduct training, since the trails
are so heavily traveled....you would for ever be in the way of someone else
trying to get down the trail. I think Mike was thinking of an area where
you could actually practice doing an obstacle many times until one was
confident, and then moving on to the next one. (At least that was my
understanding of the plan)
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Brian Harmon [mailto:xjnation@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 18:31
>To: trmn8rjn98@aol.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>
>
>Dont forget Broken Arrow in Sedona...alittle sand....alittle slick
>rock.....alittle off camber...great training ground.
>
>Brian Harmon
>
>
>>From: trmn8rjn98@aol.com
>>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>>Subject: [az_vjc] Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>>Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2001 01:20:28 -0000
>>
>>How about the sycamore creek area? There is a lot of hills,sand & fun
>>runs.
>>John
>>
>>
>>
>>--- In az_vjc@y..., mike.chatfield@p... wrote:
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> > I've been thinking about putting together a "Beginner's" trail
>>run.
>> > I've noticed that we have alot of new Jeepers anxious to get out
>>and
>> > try some of the trails, but may be unfamiliar with our trail
>>ratings,
>> > or worried that they are not up for alot of the runs we have.
>>Besides
>> > alot of runs that are posted are of the 3.5+ to 4.5+ variety.
>> >
>> > What I have in mind is to choose an area with a variety of trails,
>> > have multiple experienced 4-wheelers to provide instruction. Idealy
>> > it would be a two-part event. A "Four-Wheeling 101" clinic part
>>and
>> > a trail run. This could be done in the course of a single day, or
>> > over a weekend.
>> >
>> > For Arizona, the "4-Wheeling 101" course I think should cover:
>> >
>> > - Steep Hills (going up and coming down)
>> > - Rocks
>> > - Sand
>> > - Off-Camber trails
>> > - Twisters (flex that suspension)
>> >
>> > There are a few areas that come to mind:
>> >
>> > 1. The P4W Ranch area. Depending on how much of the area is still
>> > available, this area has a multitude of trails and varying types of
>>4
>> > wheeling. I think this area has the best chance of providing a
>> > successful "4-Wheeling 101" course, as there are plenty of "play
>> > areas."
>> >
>> > 2. The South-End of the Whitetank Mts. With its trail variety and
>> > number of crossing trails, this would make a good area as well.
>> >
>> > 3. Florence Junction area. While this is a great area for the
>>trail
>> > run, I don't believe that there is much opportunity for a
>>successful
>> > "4-Wheeling 101" course.
>> >
>> > 4. Table Mesa area. Once again a good area for trail runs, but
>>not
>> > much for a "4-Wheeling 101" course.
>> >
>> > Is this something you'd be interested in attending (as a beginner)
>>or
>> > leading (as a "teacher"), anthing I missed?
>> >
>> > - Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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18505 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 5:47pm
Subject: Re: Turkey Creek
Jake,
Kathy and I went through Turkey Creek last year with Mike Chatfield leading
the run.
I am assuming that you are talking about a TJ. At the time we went through
Turkey Creek, our TJ was stock except for 1 3/4" spacer lift, 30x9.50
factory Wranglers, and limited slip.
You should be able to make it through with no problems, but you may bang the
gas tank in a couple of places, seems that hitting the tank is real common
for TJ's.
Lon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Wagner" <jakewagner@y...>
To: <AZ_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 4:57 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Turkey Creek
> Can a stock vehicle without lockers and just 30x9.50
> BFG ATs make the trail or will I have difficulty?
>
> Jake
>
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18506 From: KHD1972 <KHD1972@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 6:49pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
I love the idea. I'm VERY new to Jeepin and would love the chance to watch
others and get pointers, etc. And I REALLY love the idea of a clean-up as
well. I have not been able to make any of the ones so far.
One request. Can it be on a Sunday? Saturdays are impossible for me,
and I really want to get into the clean up side, as well as the trail
running.
Keirvan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <mike.chatfield@p...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>
>
> > Anyone who's been off-road much is qualified to help instruct.
> > I've just noticed that alot of our new members have comments like
> > "Just bought an '01 TJ, want to take it off-road" in their profiles.
> >
> > Tax Day would give us plenty of time to make plans and get things
> arranged.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Timdonnellan@c... [mailto:Timdonnellan@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:47 PM
> > To: mike.chatfield@p...
> > Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> >
> >
> > Great idea Mike,
> >
> > Why dont we do another "tax relief run" at White take mountains and make
> it
> > a
> > class day in wheelin 101 thruogh grad school.
> > I would love to help and instruct if you think im qualified
> >
> > Tim
> > 97 tj Barney
> > 2000 xj
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
18507 From: KHD1972 <KHD1972@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 6:49pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
I love the idea. I'm VERY new to Jeepin and would love the chance to watch
others and get pointers, etc. And I REALLY love the idea of a clean-up as
well. I have not been able to make any of the ones so far.
One request. Can it be on a Sunday? Saturdays are impossible for me,
and I really want to get into the clean up side, as well as the trail
running.
Keirvan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <mike.chatfield@p...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>
>
> > Anyone who's been off-road much is qualified to help instruct.
> > I've just noticed that alot of our new members have comments like
> > "Just bought an '01 TJ, want to take it off-road" in their profiles.
> >
> > Tax Day would give us plenty of time to make plans and get things
> arranged.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Timdonnellan@c... [mailto:Timdonnellan@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:47 PM
> > To: mike.chatfield@p...
> > Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> >
> >
> > Great idea Mike,
> >
> > Why dont we do another "tax relief run" at White take mountains and make
> it
> > a
> > class day in wheelin 101 thruogh grad school.
> > I would love to help and instruct if you think im qualified
> >
> > Tim
> > 97 tj Barney
> > 2000 xj
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
18508 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:02pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
I think it is a great idea Mike anything I can do just let me know. The
last time we were out near P4W though about everything was closed off. Count
me in to help out though.
Jim Florence
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chatfield, Mike" <mike.chatfield@p...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:50 PM
> Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>
>
> > Anyone who's been off-road much is qualified to help instruct.
> > I've just noticed that alot of our new members have comments like
> > "Just bought an '01 TJ, want to take it off-road" in their profiles.
> >
> > Tax Day would give us plenty of time to make plans and get things
> arranged.
> >
> > - Mike
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Timdonnellan@c... [mailto:Timdonnellan@c...]
> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:47 PM
> > To: mike.chatfield@p...
> > Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> >
> >
> > Great idea Mike,
> >
> > Why dont we do another "tax relief run" at White take mountains and make
> it
> > a
> > class day in wheelin 101 thruogh grad school.
> > I would love to help and instruct if you think im qualified
> >
> > Tim
> > 97 tj Barney
> > 2000 xj
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
18509 From: Greg Stapley <love24wheel@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:07pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Count me in, and put my vote for the sycamore area.. Only bad part is that there is alot of people there, se we might be in the way, although if there was alot of us picking up, perhaps we could inspire all the other people to pick up too, or atleast pick up their stuff..
>From: "Hackle"
>To: "#Jeep Club"
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
>Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 20:02:13 -0700
>
> I think it is a great idea Mike anything I can do just let me know. The
>last time we were out near P4W though about everything was closed off. Count
>me in to help out though.
>Jim Florence
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Chatfield, Mike"
> > To:
> > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:50 PM
> > Subject: RE: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> >
> >
> > > Anyone who's been off-road much is qualified to help instruct.
> > > I've just noticed that alot of our new members have comments like
> > > "Just bought an '01 TJ, want to take it off-road" in their profiles.
> > >
> > > Tax Day would give us plenty of time to make plans and get things
> > arranged.
> > >
> > > - Mike
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Timdonnellan@cs.com [mailto:Timdonnellan@cs.com]
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 3:47 PM
> > > To: mike.chatfield@pegs.com
> > > Cc: az_vjc@egroups.com
> > > Subject: Re: [az_vjc] [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
> > >
> > >
> > > Great idea Mike,
> > >
> > > Why dont we do another "tax relief run" at White take mountains and make
> > it
> > > a
> > > class day in wheelin 101 thruogh grad school.
> > > I would love to help and instruct if you think im qualified
> > >
> > > Tim
> > > 97 tj Barney
> > > 2000 xj
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
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18510 From: Jake Wagner <jakewagner@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:45pm
Subject: Spare Tire Bike Rack For Sale/Hi Lift for sale
I have a bike rack that goes on the back spare tire
for sale. Been used twice and is just taking up
space. Also have a 48" Hi-Lift Jack for Sale. Never
been used!
$50 for each item!
E-mail me: jakewagner@y...
Jake
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18511 From: Blair <blairb20@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 7:50pm
Subject: Beginner's run
I'm up for the Coves or Sycamore and definitely a clean-up.
-B
18512 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:02pm
Subject: Re: Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
Does anyone that is coming have bolt cutters? We might need them to cut the
fencing we are using.
Chris
18513 From: Hackle <hackle@u...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:24pm
Subject: Re: Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
Chris it looks like I will be able to make it an I will have a battery
sawzall that should work.
I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:02 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
> Does anyone that is coming have bolt cutters? We might need them to cut
the
> fencing we are using.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
18514 From: Chris Krieg <rv6a@m...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 8:24pm
Subject: Re: Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
Thanks! Looking forward to seeing you again.
Chris
> From: "Hackle" <hackle@u...>
> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2001 21:24:41 -0700
> To: "#Jeep Club" <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
>
> Chris it looks like I will be able to make it an I will have a battery
> sawzall that should work.
>
> I refuse to belong to any group that would have me as a member!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Krieg" <rv6a@m...>
> To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 9:02 PM
> Subject: Re: [az_vjc] Re: TR - Feb 10th - Martinez Canyon Maintenance Run
>
>
>> Does anyone that is coming have bolt cutters? We might need them to cut
> the
>> fencing we are using.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
18515 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:36pm
Subject: Lighting Question
Is it OK to run 4 KC's (100 watts each) all to one on/off switch,
without using a relay?
Dan
18516 From: Len Sullivan <kermit@e...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 9:51pm
Subject: Re: Beginner's run
I'll be happy to help out with a beginners day, but all of my experience is
with herding full-size (over size?) rigs into places where they really don't
fit. There are many people in the club more qualified to instruct "little"
Jeep owners in the fine points of 'wheeling, but if there are enough folks
out there in large vehicles I'll be happy to spend time with them.
I would think that either the Coves or the south end of the White Tanks
would be good candidates for areas. Both offer several types of
challenges......it kinda depends on what people want. The White Tanks area
is a bit more suited to rock crawling, but the Coves has more hill climbs.
Pam and I are kinda partial to the Coves though. :-)
Combining it with a clean up run is a fantastic idea. Count me in, teaching
or not.
Len
-----Original Message-----
From: Blair <blairb20@h...>
To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Date: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Beginner's run
>I'm up for the Coves or Sycamore and definitely a clean-up.
>
>-B
>
>
>
>
18517 From: T.J. Nosmo-King <ice626@h...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 11:41pm
Subject: Re: [TR] - Feelers on a "Beginner's Run"
Mike...the state 4wd assoc. offers "OR 101" type classes all around the
state...I used to have the number for the Mesa class...I can try to dig it
up if anyone is interested....
TJ Gill
75 CJ5
I still miss my ex-wife.....but my aim IS improving
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18518 From: Nick Notestine <nnote@n...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 11:46pm
Subject: Begginers AND
Awhile back (good God must have been two years ago) I mentioned a
maintenence run. It never panned out do to heat and lack of a place. We
could probably combine a Maintanance run with a beginers run. I think there
are possible alot of people that beat there Jeeps but need a begineers
course on maintaining their Jeep. I have tools!
Nick
18519 From: Bob Nyberg <r.nyberg@w...>
Date: Fri Feb 9, 2001 4:28am
Subject: Re: Lighting Question
In a word-no. If you check the current draw on each light you will
probably find that you should use two relays, one for each pair. It is
not really that much more work and everything will stay cool and not
burn up wiring. You still only need one switch. Off Road has small size
relays that are cheep and easy to install. I used them for my lights and
air pump.
Bob
Bob
Dan Coley wrote:
> Is it OK to run 4 KC's (100 watts each) all to one on/off switch,
> without using a relay?
>
> Dan