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18420 From: David Burke <davewburke@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 10:41am
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilize or Not to Stabilize?
I also removed my stabilizer when I reinforced the tie rod and have not
experienced any ill effects. This may not hold true with stock tires,
but I am running 35" swampers. The rotational mass of the tire could
help keep the steering stable. Just a theory.
-dave
Jay Eller wrote:
> OK! I'd like to discuss the virtues of a steering stabilizer when
> SPECIFICALLY used on a leaf sprung vehicle (CJ7, CJ5, YJ, e
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18421 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 11:44am
Subject: Re: A New Jeep For Smitty
Congrats on your "smart" decision. Your decision to buy is gonna be
made on your cost to "work that needs to be done" ratio. You can buy
a good used TJ with a low miles for a bit less than showroom,
depending on whether you want to buy it with lift, tires, etc or do
it yourself. If you buy a TJ with a lift, make sure it's at least a
good company's lift, and not just springs and shocks to make it
look "awesome" on the street if you really want to do some good
wheeling with it.
If you get a CJ or YJ, you'll pay obviously less, but may or may not
have to put a lot of out of pocket cash in to fixing/upgrading,
especially if it's been used. That's my assumption, as I have never
purchased or owned a YJ or CJ.
Every jeep has (from an
engineering/marketing/driving/wheeling/quality/cost standpoint) it's
pros and cons. You just have to figure out what's best for you.
Second, do not for any reason whatsoever even consider purchasing
from Topless 4x4 in Scottsdale. They have no idea what it takes to
build a jeep, yet try to sell you one that is "off-road worthy" my
girlfriend (and my tools) are intimately familiar with the "used"
jeeps they sell, and I have also heard numerous horror stories from
them. In our case Tara was sold a 98TJ with 30K miles with: cracked
exhaust manifold, worn springs, shocks that couldn't support their on
weight and lord knows what else I didn't find before we got rid of
it. She paid as much for it as buying a brand new TJ and putting a
quality Teraflex lift on it. In other words, she was ripped off.
Other people on this list may have different stories/opinions, but
that is mine.
Third, everyone has their opinion on what works and what doesn't.
You can't get around that. However, if you know much about wheeling,
especially in AZ where rocks are the norm....you need lots of flex.
I hear people all the time saying how TJ's can't flex well, yet I own
a TJ with a Teraflex lift (and many other people do to) and beg to
differ. They may be a bit softer than a YJ or CJ, but I guarantee
the flex is as good if not better (some YJ/CJ owners will agree and
some won't). I'm sure this will start an "argument" but isn't
discussion the point of posting on a "discussion" board? (Ok so that
was my way of saying "go with a TJ!" =)
Finally, if you do buy used, take someone who is very familiar with
the model you are purchasing to help check it out, could pay off in
the long run.
My 2 1/2 cents...
Dan
'00TJ
lifted/locked/chopped
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepinsmitty@y... wrote:
> Ok,
> I am new to the Jeep Club here.
> I am looking to buy a "new" Jeep, I don't want a showroom Jeep
though.
> So I am looign for a good Used Jeep.
> Any advice on Wether eI should go old School witha CJ or should I
go
> with a YJ or newer?
> I had an old 83 CJ7 when I was in Highschool and right after I got
> out. But, I had to sell it. Now I am looking to get back to the way
I
> was meant to be, In a Jeep..
> Any Thoughts would be appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Smitty
18422 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 0:23pm
Subject: Re: Shackle reversal discussion. Opinions wanted.
Back in my YJ days I had a shackle reversal. My experiences with it is the same as Daver's. To do it again I would not have done the shackle reversal. The biggest reason is the lost traction when trying to climb the front tire up an obstacle. With the shackle up front the tire is forced into the obstacle (rather than back) resulting in better traction.
Scott
Daver wrote:
This is from Parts Mike:
"Why I don't like the shackle reversal. I have done this on a couple of
my own Jeeps (I owned a 1956 CJ6 that was stock shackle reversal, 55-56
CJ5 & 6 had this). Shackle reversal on paper looks great as it should
help the "ride" without affecting handling (negatively) and not hurt
offroad capabilities. Well in the real world it does 2 things that are
positive 1. The ride is slightly better 2. The approach angle is the
greatest positive attribute as you can mount the leading eye of the
spring against the frame. On the negative side, nosedive when stopping,
the front axle must be moved forward, therefore you will have to move
the steering box as the draglink and tierod cross, on steep downgrades
the frontend will "dig in" as the shackle moves rearward, when trying to
get over objects the reverse shackle "gives" therefore reducing the
ability of the tire to have maximum pressure on the object you are
trying to get over, with a SOA the twisting motion of the axle will
cause the shackle to move forward and bend the spring from the center of
the axle to the shackle, this is really reduces spring life and causes
the Jeep to "hop" which means you are not getting anywhere and will
probably break something. These are my opinions based on actual
happenings. Mike"
Having said that, I have seen a lot of shackle reversals work very well,
even on SOA vehicles. Just some info for you.
amstaff@extremezone.com wrote:
> Hi folks: It's about time to do the SOA on my YJ. I'm pretty clear
> where I'm going, but need some thoughts on doing a shackle reversal.
> The sticking point, as I see it, is the fact that I'm used massaged
> Wrangler springs as the basis for my spring over.
>
> There seems to be a debate as to whether reversed shackles are a help
> or hindrance, specifically when used in an SOA application with stock
> springs.
>
> Looking for comments either way on this one. This is a daily driver
> Jeep that loves to hit the rock trails on the weekends. I do drive to
> the trailhead, not a trailer queen.
> Dion
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18423 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 0:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: A New Jeep For Smitty
Dan has a good point, no matter what jeep you decide
to buy, if you are not comfortable with looking for
certain aspects, post a message and I am sure you will
get numerous responses as to who will go look at one
with you....
Mike
--- Dan Coley <mt_b@y...> wrote:
> Congrats on your "smart" decision. Your decision to
> buy is gonna be
> made on your cost to "work that needs to be done"
> ratio. You can buy
> a good used TJ with a low miles for a bit less than
> showroom,
> depending on whether you want to buy it with lift,
> tires, etc or do
> it yourself. If you buy a TJ with a lift, make sure
> it's at least a
> good company's lift, and not just springs and shocks
> to make it
> look "awesome" on the street if you really want to
> do some good
> wheeling with it.
>
> If you get a CJ or YJ, you'll pay obviously less,
> but may or may not
> have to put a lot of out of pocket cash in to
> fixing/upgrading,
> especially if it's been used. That's my assumption,
> as I have never
> purchased or owned a YJ or CJ.
>
> Every jeep has (from an
> engineering/marketing/driving/wheeling/quality/cost
> standpoint) it's
> pros and cons. You just have to figure out what's
> best for you.
>
> Second, do not for any reason whatsoever even
> consider purchasing
> from Topless 4x4 in Scottsdale. They have no idea
> what it takes to
> build a jeep, yet try to sell you one that is
> "off-road worthy" my
> girlfriend (and my tools) are intimately familiar
> with the "used"
> jeeps they sell, and I have also heard numerous
> horror stories from
> them. In our case Tara was sold a 98TJ with 30K
> miles with: cracked
> exhaust manifold, worn springs, shocks that couldn't
> support their on
> weight and lord knows what else I didn't find before
> we got rid of
> it. She paid as much for it as buying a brand new
> TJ and putting a
> quality Teraflex lift on it. In other words, she
> was ripped off.
>
> Other people on this list may have different
> stories/opinions, but
> that is mine.
>
> Third, everyone has their opinion on what works and
> what doesn't.
> You can't get around that. However, if you know much
> about wheeling,
> especially in AZ where rocks are the norm....you
> need lots of flex.
> I hear people all the time saying how TJ's can't
> flex well, yet I own
> a TJ with a Teraflex lift (and many other people do
> to) and beg to
> differ. They may be a bit softer than a YJ or CJ,
> but I guarantee
> the flex is as good if not better (some YJ/CJ owners
> will agree and
> some won't). I'm sure this will start an "argument"
> but isn't
> discussion the point of posting on a "discussion"
> board? (Ok so that
> was my way of saying "go with a TJ!" =)
>
> Finally, if you do buy used, take someone who is
> very familiar with
> the model you are purchasing to help check it out,
> could pay off in
> the long run.
>
> My 2 1/2 cents...
>
> Dan
> '00TJ
> lifted/locked/chopped
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepinsmitty@y... wrote:
> > Ok,
> > I am new to the Jeep Club here.
> > I am looking to buy a "new" Jeep, I don't want a
> showroom Jeep
> though.
> > So I am looign for a good Used Jeep.
> > Any advice on Wether eI should go old School witha
> CJ or should I
> go
> > with a YJ or newer?
> > I had an old 83 CJ7 when I was in Highschool and
> right after I got
> > out. But, I had to sell it. Now I am looking to
> get back to the way
> I
> > was meant to be, In a Jeep..
> > Any Thoughts would be appreciated.
> > Thank you,
> > Smitty
>
>
>
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2001 TJ
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18424 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 0:46pm
Subject: Cleaning out garage, Part's for sale
The following was off my 1984 CJ-7, and is for sale.
1 pair of NEW Con-Fer rear shackles, with bolts 5-3/4" c-c. $25
1 Pair of front shackles 5" c-c $10
1 set of front "Slickrock" shackle hangers. $ 40
Currie HD cro-moly Tie-Rod and Draglink set with all tie-rod ends. $135
F&R U-bolt skid plates. $10
Drop pitman arm. $25
Factory hardtop, Black. $225
The following brake parts were all new about 4000 miles ago. I kept them
separate as far as left and right.
Rotors, Calipers & Pads $100
GM P/U Stuff:
B&M finned aluminum auto trans pan, 3 QT more capacity. Fits a GM 4L80E.
$75
Hypertech Power Programmer, fits any 1998 GM P/U. $110
Stock mass airflow sensor, 2000 GM P/U. $10
Brand new in box, Lock Rite for a DANA 70. $225
That's all I found so far.
Blake
18425 From: David Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 1:14pm
Subject: ...
Hey looking for a few part's that someone might have lying around.
Stock YJ leaf springs
Dana 60 axle shafts any spline count broken are okay. What I really
need is the part that bolts to the outer hub that protects the bearings.
This axle is in a pickup bed trailer. Somebody took the axle shaft's out and
the bearings are exposed now.
18426 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 1:41pm
Subject: [TR] Bumble Bee Creek - Saturday, February 24, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Randy Siade is leading a Bumble Bee Creek trail run on Saturday, February 24, 2001.
When: Feb. 24 at 9:30am
Where: Meet at Table Mesa Road
Rating: 4.5
Length: Depends on number of vehicles
CB Channel: 7
The trail starts just south of Bumble Bee (FR684), and follows a class 2 trail for a ways, until you get down into the bottom of a canyon. You'll know it when you get there, by the large cottonwoods in it. Turn right up the canyon and keep an eye out for a wash on the right...this will take you to Bumble Bee Creek trail. The sandy wash turns into a narrow slot w/ a decent sized waterfall that you need to scramble up. If there's water in the creek, things will get slick. From there you just have to pick your way through the obstacles. The trail will eventually exit to the right and will take to back to the main trail.
Bumble Bee Creek is a relatively short but very challenging trail. Lockers (front and rear) and at least 33's are highly recommended.
The trail starts just south of Bumble Bee (FR684), and follows a class 2 trail for a ways, until you get down into the bottom of a canyon. You'll know it when you get there, by the large cottonwoods in it. Turn right up the canyon and keep an eye out for a wash on the right...this will take you to Bumble Bee Creek trail.
The sandy wash turns into a narrow slot w/ a decent sized waterfall that you need to scramble up. If there's water in the creek, things will get slick. From there you just have to pick your way through the obstacles. The trail will eventually exit to the right and will take to back to the main trail.
Remember to bring your Camera and Water.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the List or For More Information
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
18427 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 2:11pm
Subject: FOR SALE
Well, I was thinking again which always causes me problems. My TJ is no
longer a candidate for a family vehicle ever again so I'm doing some
conversions to it. Part of these conversions is making a new tire mount on
top of an diamond plate tonneau cover so I don't plan on using my swing out
anymore. And so, the following is for sale to get a little money for the
new mods to be done. E-mail me with any questions or give me a call at home
(480)539-8827. Prices can be a little flexible. There are some more pics
on my web site under 'Stuff I've Built'. http://www.wirch.2y.net:61000
Item:
Airtight rear bumper w/ swing out tire carrier and pintle hitch with 2" ball
$300
http://www.wirch.2y.net:61000/Fab/Swing_Out_7.jpg
Airtight front bumper with integrated winch mount $200 obo
http://www.wirch.2y.net:61000/Fab/Front_Bumper_3.JPG
Cloth rear seat from a 99 TJ Sport with 2 10" Rockford Fosgate subs in a
custom built box $300 obo
http://www.wirch.2y.net:61000/Fab/Subs_9.JPG
http://www.wirch.2y.net:61000/Fab/Subs_5.JPG
Thanks,
Pete
18428 From: <joey@j...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 2:26pm
Subject: Old Poll revised to say YJ for the Track Bar question.
Ok. I guess it is a mostly YJ specific question. So I revised the
poll to be specific for a YJ Jeep.
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the az_vjc
group:
Does your YJ Jeep run full time with a Track Bar?
o Both Track Bars on
o Both Track Bars Removed
o Just Front Track Bar on
o Just Rear Track Bar on
o Remove Just for Trails
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not
collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web
site listed above.
Thanks!
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18429 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 2:48pm
Subject: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
Hey All,
Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im itching to
go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them is having
surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes under the
knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for the
weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I live in
Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
Brian Harmon
88 XJ, 6.5" RE lift, arb rear, gearless front, 33X9.5 bigO xt's.etc.
Http://www.cherokee-nation.com
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18430 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 2:56pm
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilize or Not to Stabilize?
I going to suggest that the Chevy improving bumpsteer, etc by having a stabilizer is
true. The steering geometry is TOTALLY different than a CJ/YJ/etc in how the "drag
link" on the Chevy is really short and is very different. Chevy's (straight axled
versions) are notorious for bump steer with lifts and needing the stabilizer to
help. I think this is why it is needed.
Just a side note to all who replied. A lot of you are replying just to me. Be sure
your posts are also being sent to the list. This is all really good stuff that
everyone should learn from. Be sure to hit "reply all", rather than "reply" because
just the reply will reply to the sender only. And when you hit "reply all" be sure
to remove the sender from the distribution list. This way the sender doesn't get a
copy from you and a duplicate copy from the list. We get enough email already
without the duplicates. Thanks.....
--
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http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
18431 From: <Jeepguy@z...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 3:12pm
Subject: confused
Okay I am getting a little confused here. Where are the track bars
and what do they do?? I helped my buddy put an adjustible trackbar on
his bronco after he lifted it, and it had to do with steering
correct? I remember trying to get the front end pointing the same way
as the tires (LOL) so what does disco-ing the track bar do?? I have
JKS swaybar discos and I get a LOT of flex. Okay last question... any
adverse effects from removing the rear swaybar?? -Rob
18432 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 4:27pm
Subject: Jeep Dana20 with Bronco Dana20 gears?
Hey all--
Anyone here done the tcase gear swap from a Bronco Dana20 to a Jeep
Dana20? I've got a 2.05:1 low range D20 from a 77 CJ7 that I would
like to do a lower-range conversion on. What exact parts do I need?
I can't justify spending the ludicrous $$ for the TeraLow conversion
to only give my tcase a 3.15:1 reduction. Besides, I don't need gold-
plated gears :)
I replaced my D18 with a D20 tcase so I've got all of my 18's gears,
but when I tried to swap them in, the gears wouldn't mesh properly,
so I figured I'd wait and do it some other time.
Also, what low range gear ratio does the bronco swap give? I
remember something like 3.15:1 or 3.65:1 but I can't remember. Any
help here would be great.
Jeff
18433 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 4:35pm
Subject: RE: New poll for az_vjc
I suppose it is possible for some TJ owners to run without trac bars, (I do
not know any) but doing so would seriously risk damage to the control arms
since all lateral stress would be put on them, a task for which they are not
designed. (Unless I don't fully understand that part of the TJ's suspension
system.)
In my opinion, gathering this data without qualifying what Jeep it is
associated with would render data that means nothing (or at least it would
mean nothing to me). Maybe I am missing something here?
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daver [mailto:daver@c...]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 08:31
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] New poll for az_vjc
>
>
>az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>> Does you Jeep run full time with a
>> Track Bar?
>>
>> o Both Track Bars on
>> o Both Track Bars Removed
>> o Just Front Track Bar on
>> o Just Rear Track Bar on
>> o Remove Just for Trails
>
>Incidently, whetherl you have a YJ, TJ, CJ, or whatever would make a big
>difference in this question, I believe.
>
>For the record, my YJ lost it's rear trackbar and also the swaybar in
>front. The front trackbar, however, is held on with a tine pin, removed
>and tied up for trails.
>
>
>
>
18434 From: LarryM <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 4:35pm
Subject: Re: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
Im itching to go out as well. Looks like I will have to fly to London the
following weekend so I need to get in some trail time before then.
Raw Deal?
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
> Hey All,
>
> Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im itching to
> go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them is
having
> surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes under the
> knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for the
> weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I live
in
> Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
>
> Brian Harmon
> 88 XJ, 6.5" RE lift, arb rear, gearless front, 33X9.5 bigO xt's.etc.
>
> Http://www.cherokee-nation.com
>
>
>
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18435 From: <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Dana20 with Bronco Dana20 gears?
Jeff,
the Bronco Dana20 low range is only 2.46:1. from what i hear the swap isnt a completely cheap one. id guess at around $400 in aquiring the parts unless you already have a Bronco Dana20. the Teralow gears will give you very close to the same reduction as their 4:1 gears for a Dana300 or the NP231. this is probably the way i will eventually go someday when i win the lotto. another option you have is to look for a Dana300 from a 1980 scout. this case has a 2.62:1 low range and will accept 4:1 gears. it also has the same bolt pattern as the Dana20 so it would be a bolt in swap. the downside is they only made these for one year, 1980, so if you find one you will probably have to pay about $500 to get it.
by the way, your Dana18 gears are most likely 2.46:1 just like the Bronco Dana20.
hope this helps
Joey
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeffm@d... wrote:
> Hey all--
>
> Anyone here done the tcase gear swap from a Bronco Dana20 to a Jeep
> Dana20? I've got a 2.05:1 low range D20 from a 77 CJ7 that I would
> like to do a lower-range conversion on. What exact parts do I need?
> I can't justify spending the ludicrous $$ for the TeraLow conversion
> to only give my tcase a 3.15:1 reduction. Besides, I don't need gold-
> plated gears :)
>
> I replaced my D18 with a D20 tcase so I've got all of my 18's gears,
> but when I tried to swap them in, the gears wouldn't mesh properly,
> so I figured I'd wait and do it some other time.
>
> Also, what low range gear ratio does the bronco swap give? I
> remember something like 3.15:1 or 3.65:1 but I can't remember. Any
> help here would be great.
>
> Jeff
18436 From: Jesus Chio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:52pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Dana20 with Bronco Dana20 gears?
I have a D20 with those gears, need EB D20 gears, D18 or T18 not sure output
parts, I paid $600 for labor and parts.
Its nice with a 2.47:1 or 2.46:1
EB D20 Is not cheap, $200 and up, D18 is rare. I have one ;)
Jesus Chio
Chief Editor
http://www.alloffroad.com
Free webpages:
http://signup.alloffroad.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeffm@d...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:27 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Dana20 with Bronco Dana20 gears?
> Hey all--
>
> Anyone here done the tcase gear swap from a Bronco Dana20 to a Jeep
> Dana20? I've got a 2.05:1 low range D20 from a 77 CJ7 that I would
> like to do a lower-range conversion on. What exact parts do I need?
> I can't justify spending the ludicrous $$ for the TeraLow conversion
> to only give my tcase a 3.15:1 reduction. Besides, I don't need gold-
> plated gears :)
>
> I replaced my D18 with a D20 tcase so I've got all of my 18's gears,
> but when I tried to swap them in, the gears wouldn't mesh properly,
> so I figured I'd wait and do it some other time.
>
> Also, what low range gear ratio does the bronco swap give? I
> remember something like 3.15:1 or 3.65:1 but I can't remember. Any
> help here would be great.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
18437 From: Greg Stapley <love24wheel@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 5:09pm
Subject: Re: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
apeerantly at 9:30 at table mesa rd they have a bumble bee run.. I might go.. we'll see
>From: "LarryM"
>Reply-To: "LarryM"
>To: "Brian Harmon" ,
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
>Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:35:18 -0700
>
>Im itching to go out as well. Looks like I will have to fly to London the
>following weekend so I need to get in some trail time before then.
>
>Raw Deal?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Brian Harmon
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:48 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
>
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im itching to
> > go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them is
>having
> > surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes under the
> > knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for the
> > weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I live
>in
> > Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
> >
> > Brian Harmon
> > 88 XJ, 6.5" RE lift, arb rear, gearless front, 33X9.5 bigO xt's.etc.
> >
> > Http://www.cherokee-nation.com
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> >
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18438 From: Rollie kent <jeeprkl@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 5:20pm
Subject: BFG's rock crawling
Has anyone heard about a rock crawling contest in Johnson Valley?
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18439 From: Keith - ALLOFFROAD.COM <crusari@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 5:27pm
Subject: Re: BFG's rock crawling
Johson Valley ARCA february 15-17
10.5 hour drive from here :)
Keith Auble - editor
WWW.ALLOFFROAD.COM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rollie kent
To: egroupII ; jeepsonline@egroups.com ; yjwrangler@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:20 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] BFG's rock crawling
Has anyone heard about a rock crawling contest in Johnson Valley?
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18440 From: ebnhils <ebnhils@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 5:47pm
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilize or Not to Stabilize?
I have a SOA YJ with no track bars and no steering stabilizer. Removing the
track bars was the first thing that I did when I got my Jeep. I my opinion a
leaf sprung Jeep does not need a track bar, never felt any diffrence. I
don't think that removing the track bar could make rolling any easier.
About 3 mounths ago I bent my stabilizer and took it off, I can not feel any
diffreance at all. I have even driven up to 65 mph on a dirt road with the
sway bar disconnected and the 33's down to 10 psi and no diffreance. Just my
observations.
Eben
92 SOA YJ 33's
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:26 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Steering Stabilize or Not to Stabilize?
> OK! I'd like to discuss the virtues of a steering stabilizer when
> SPECIFICALLY used on a leaf sprung vehicle (CJ7, CJ5, YJ, etc). I've run
one
> for many years on my CJ, thinking it was necessarily. Recently I upgraded
my
> tie rod to something that is twice as big in diameter, thereby nullifying
the
> brackets that I used for my stabilizer. On the suggestion of a friend who
> said to remove it and never run it again, I did just that. Believe it or
not,
> I see absolutely no difference. I've run it up to 70 mph and nothing. I
am
> also SOA and run 33's. My friend who suggested has not run one for at
least 5
> years and has never noticed any issues. He too is SOA with 35's. Has
anyone
> else noticed this or run without one with no ill effects?
>
> I understand the importance of one on a coil sprung vehicle, so I'm not
> discussing that here (as well as the personal stories of one making a
> difference on their vehicles). Only the use of one on a leaf sprung
vehicle.
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
>
>
>
>
>
>
18441 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 6:06pm
Subject: [TR] El Oso Mine - Saturday, February 10, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Jake is leading an El Oso Mine trail run on Saturday, February 10, 2001.
When: Sat 2/10
Where: El Oso Mine/4 Peaks Area
Rating: 3.0
Length: 3-5 hrs
CB Channel: 4
Meet at the Restroom area on the 4 Peaks Road (About a mile off the Beeline) at 10am. Never been to the Mine so if anyone has, please let me know!
El Oso trail is the old ridge trail that runs north along the ridge line from Four Peaks. It goes to the El Oso mine and another mine. It's been replaced by a main trail that runs to the west of El Oso. The E.O. trail parallels this newer (easier) trail along the eastern slope of the ridge line, and rejoins this trail...which will take you to Edwards Park (nice Camp area). Generally a class 3 trail that doesn't get used all that much any more....but it's a great trail to do. You'll be treated to beautiful views set in mixed pines and oak forests.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the List or For More Information
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18442 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 6:13pm
Subject: FS: mtn bike rack for 2" hitch
About a month ago, I responded to a member's post. He indicated he wanted
my Hollywood 2" receiver rack. Another member also expressed an interest.
The first gent did not come through so it is once again up for grabs, and I
don't have the e-mail from the 2nd person. It is able to clear a rear
mounted spare, such as on a TJ's rear tire carrier or the factory carrier on
my XJ. Pivots down to clear the lift gate on my XJ.
Virtually brand new. Easily holds 3 bikes (designed for 4 if you can make
them fit).
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
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18443 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 6:16pm
Subject: Re: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
I'll be around, Im always up for table mesa runs...
Russell
Brian Harmon wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im itching to
> go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them is having
> surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes under the
> knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for the
> weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I live in
> Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
>
> Brian Harmon
> 88 XJ, 6.5" RE lift, arb rear, gearless front, 33X9.5 bigO xt's.etc.
>
> Http://www.cherokee-nation.com
>
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18444 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 6:32pm
Subject: Re: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
Check the "trips" section on the website, there is a Turkey Creek run
planned for Sunday.
Lon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
To: "Brian Harmon" <xjnation@h...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
> I'll be around, Im always up for table mesa runs...
> Russell
>
> Brian Harmon wrote:
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im itching
to
> > go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them is
having
> > surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes under
the
> > knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for the
> > weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I
live in
> > Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
> >
> > Brian Harmon
> > 88 XJ, 6.5" RE lift, arb rear, gearless front, 33X9.5 bigO xt's.etc.
> >
> > Http://www.cherokee-nation.com
> >
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> > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com
>
>
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18420 From: David Burke <davewburke@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 10:41am
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilize or Not to Stabilize?
I also removed my stabilizer when I reinforced the tie rod and have not
experienced any ill effects. This may not hold true with stock tires,
but I am running 35" swampers. The rotational mass of the tire could
help keep the steering stable. Just a theory.
-dave
Jay Eller wrote:
> OK! I'd like to discuss the virtues of a steering stabilizer when
> SPECIFICALLY used on a leaf sprung vehicle (CJ7, CJ5, YJ, e
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18421 From: Dan Coley <mt_b@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 11:44am
Subject: Re: A New Jeep For Smitty
Congrats on your "smart" decision. Your decision to buy is gonna be
made on your cost to "work that needs to be done" ratio. You can buy
a good used TJ with a low miles for a bit less than showroom,
depending on whether you want to buy it with lift, tires, etc or do
it yourself. If you buy a TJ with a lift, make sure it's at least a
good company's lift, and not just springs and shocks to make it
look "awesome" on the street if you really want to do some good
wheeling with it.
If you get a CJ or YJ, you'll pay obviously less, but may or may not
have to put a lot of out of pocket cash in to fixing/upgrading,
especially if it's been used. That's my assumption, as I have never
purchased or owned a YJ or CJ.
Every jeep has (from an
engineering/marketing/driving/wheeling/quality/cost standpoint) it's
pros and cons. You just have to figure out what's best for you.
Second, do not for any reason whatsoever even consider purchasing
from Topless 4x4 in Scottsdale. They have no idea what it takes to
build a jeep, yet try to sell you one that is "off-road worthy" my
girlfriend (and my tools) are intimately familiar with the "used"
jeeps they sell, and I have also heard numerous horror stories from
them. In our case Tara was sold a 98TJ with 30K miles with: cracked
exhaust manifold, worn springs, shocks that couldn't support their on
weight and lord knows what else I didn't find before we got rid of
it. She paid as much for it as buying a brand new TJ and putting a
quality Teraflex lift on it. In other words, she was ripped off.
Other people on this list may have different stories/opinions, but
that is mine.
Third, everyone has their opinion on what works and what doesn't.
You can't get around that. However, if you know much about wheeling,
especially in AZ where rocks are the norm....you need lots of flex.
I hear people all the time saying how TJ's can't flex well, yet I own
a TJ with a Teraflex lift (and many other people do to) and beg to
differ. They may be a bit softer than a YJ or CJ, but I guarantee
the flex is as good if not better (some YJ/CJ owners will agree and
some won't). I'm sure this will start an "argument" but isn't
discussion the point of posting on a "discussion" board? (Ok so that
was my way of saying "go with a TJ!" =)
Finally, if you do buy used, take someone who is very familiar with
the model you are purchasing to help check it out, could pay off in
the long run.
My 2 1/2 cents...
Dan
'00TJ
lifted/locked/chopped
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeepinsmitty@y... wrote:
> Ok,
> I am new to the Jeep Club here.
> I am looking to buy a "new" Jeep, I don't want a showroom Jeep
though.
> So I am looign for a good Used Jeep.
> Any advice on Wether eI should go old School witha CJ or should I
go
> with a YJ or newer?
> I had an old 83 CJ7 when I was in Highschool and right after I got
> out. But, I had to sell it. Now I am looking to get back to the way
I
> was meant to be, In a Jeep..
> Any Thoughts would be appreciated.
> Thank you,
> Smitty
18422 From: Scott Kruize <osmtj@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 0:23pm
Subject: Re: Shackle reversal discussion. Opinions wanted.
Back in my YJ days I had a shackle reversal. My experiences with it is the same as Daver's. To do it again I would not have done the shackle reversal. The biggest reason is the lost traction when trying to climb the front tire up an obstacle. With the shackle up front the tire is forced into the obstacle (rather than back) resulting in better traction.
Scott
Daver wrote:
This is from Parts Mike:
"Why I don't like the shackle reversal. I have done this on a couple of
my own Jeeps (I owned a 1956 CJ6 that was stock shackle reversal, 55-56
CJ5 & 6 had this). Shackle reversal on paper looks great as it should
help the "ride" without affecting handling (negatively) and not hurt
offroad capabilities. Well in the real world it does 2 things that are
positive 1. The ride is slightly better 2. The approach angle is the
greatest positive attribute as you can mount the leading eye of the
spring against the frame. On the negative side, nosedive when stopping,
the front axle must be moved forward, therefore you will have to move
the steering box as the draglink and tierod cross, on steep downgrades
the frontend will "dig in" as the shackle moves rearward, when trying to
get over objects the reverse shackle "gives" therefore reducing the
ability of the tire to have maximum pressure on the object you are
trying to get over, with a SOA the twisting motion of the axle will
cause the shackle to move forward and bend the spring from the center of
the axle to the shackle, this is really reduces spring life and causes
the Jeep to "hop" which means you are not getting anywhere and will
probably break something. These are my opinions based on actual
happenings. Mike"
Having said that, I have seen a lot of shackle reversals work very well,
even on SOA vehicles. Just some info for you.
amstaff@extremezone.com wrote:
> Hi folks: It's about time to do the SOA on my YJ. I'm pretty clear
> where I'm going, but need some thoughts on doing a shackle reversal.
> The sticking point, as I see it, is the fact that I'm used massaged
> Wrangler springs as the basis for my spring over.
>
> There seems to be a debate as to whether reversed shackles are a help
> or hindrance, specifically when used in an SOA application with stock
> springs.
>
> Looking for comments either way on this one. This is a daily driver
> Jeep that loves to hit the rock trails on the weekends. I do drive to
> the trailhead, not a trailer queen.
> Dion
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18423 From: Mike Baney <jeepin_in_az@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 0:44pm
Subject: Re: Re: A New Jeep For Smitty
Dan has a good point, no matter what jeep you decide
to buy, if you are not comfortable with looking for
certain aspects, post a message and I am sure you will
get numerous responses as to who will go look at one
with you....
Mike
--- Dan Coley <mt_b@y...> wrote:
> Congrats on your "smart" decision. Your decision to
> buy is gonna be
> made on your cost to "work that needs to be done"
> ratio. You can buy
> a good used TJ with a low miles for a bit less than
> showroom,
> depending on whether you want to buy it with lift,
> tires, etc or do
> it yourself. If you buy a TJ with a lift, make sure
> it's at least a
> good company's lift, and not just springs and shocks
> to make it
> look "awesome" on the street if you really want to
> do some good
> wheeling with it.
>
> If you get a CJ or YJ, you'll pay obviously less,
> but may or may not
> have to put a lot of out of pocket cash in to
> fixing/upgrading,
> especially if it's been used. That's my assumption,
> as I have never
> purchased or owned a YJ or CJ.
>
> Every jeep has (from an
> engineering/marketing/driving/wheeling/quality/cost
> standpoint) it's
> pros and cons. You just have to figure out what's
> best for you.
>
> Second, do not for any reason whatsoever even
> consider purchasing
> from Topless 4x4 in Scottsdale. They have no idea
> what it takes to
> build a jeep, yet try to sell you one that is
> "off-road worthy" my
> girlfriend (and my tools) are intimately familiar
> with the "used"
> jeeps they sell, and I have also heard numerous
> horror stories from
> them. In our case Tara was sold a 98TJ with 30K
> miles with: cracked
> exhaust manifold, worn springs, shocks that couldn't
> support their on
> weight and lord knows what else I didn't find before
> we got rid of
> it. She paid as much for it as buying a brand new
> TJ and putting a
> quality Teraflex lift on it. In other words, she
> was ripped off.
>
> Other people on this list may have different
> stories/opinions, but
> that is mine.
>
> Third, everyone has their opinion on what works and
> what doesn't.
> You can't get around that. However, if you know much
> about wheeling,
> especially in AZ where rocks are the norm....you
> need lots of flex.
> I hear people all the time saying how TJ's can't
> flex well, yet I own
> a TJ with a Teraflex lift (and many other people do
> to) and beg to
> differ. They may be a bit softer than a YJ or CJ,
> but I guarantee
> the flex is as good if not better (some YJ/CJ owners
> will agree and
> some won't). I'm sure this will start an "argument"
> but isn't
> discussion the point of posting on a "discussion"
> board? (Ok so that
> was my way of saying "go with a TJ!" =)
>
> Finally, if you do buy used, take someone who is
> very familiar with
> the model you are purchasing to help check it out,
> could pay off in
> the long run.
>
> My 2 1/2 cents...
>
> Dan
> '00TJ
> lifted/locked/chopped
>
>
> --- In az_vjc@y..., jeepinsmitty@y... wrote:
> > Ok,
> > I am new to the Jeep Club here.
> > I am looking to buy a "new" Jeep, I don't want a
> showroom Jeep
> though.
> > So I am looign for a good Used Jeep.
> > Any advice on Wether eI should go old School witha
> CJ or should I
> go
> > with a YJ or newer?
> > I had an old 83 CJ7 when I was in Highschool and
> right after I got
> > out. But, I had to sell it. Now I am looking to
> get back to the way
> I
> > was meant to be, In a Jeep..
> > Any Thoughts would be appreciated.
> > Thank you,
> > Smitty
>
>
>
=====
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18424 From: Blake Van de Loo <blake@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 0:46pm
Subject: Cleaning out garage, Part's for sale
The following was off my 1984 CJ-7, and is for sale.
1 pair of NEW Con-Fer rear shackles, with bolts 5-3/4" c-c. $25
1 Pair of front shackles 5" c-c $10
1 set of front "Slickrock" shackle hangers. $ 40
Currie HD cro-moly Tie-Rod and Draglink set with all tie-rod ends. $135
F&R U-bolt skid plates. $10
Drop pitman arm. $25
Factory hardtop, Black. $225
The following brake parts were all new about 4000 miles ago. I kept them
separate as far as left and right.
Rotors, Calipers & Pads $100
GM P/U Stuff:
B&M finned aluminum auto trans pan, 3 QT more capacity. Fits a GM 4L80E.
$75
Hypertech Power Programmer, fits any 1998 GM P/U. $110
Stock mass airflow sensor, 2000 GM P/U. $10
Brand new in box, Lock Rite for a DANA 70. $225
That's all I found so far.
Blake
18425 From: David Smith <dwsmith69@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 1:14pm
Subject: ...
Hey looking for a few part's that someone might have lying around.
Stock YJ leaf springs
Dana 60 axle shafts any spline count broken are okay. What I really
need is the part that bolts to the outer hub that protects the bearings.
This axle is in a pickup bed trailer. Somebody took the axle shaft's out and
the bearings are exposed now.
18426 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 1:41pm
Subject: [TR] Bumble Bee Creek - Saturday, February 24, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Randy Siade is leading a Bumble Bee Creek trail run on Saturday, February 24, 2001.
When: Feb. 24 at 9:30am
Where: Meet at Table Mesa Road
Rating: 4.5
Length: Depends on number of vehicles
CB Channel: 7
The trail starts just south of Bumble Bee (FR684), and follows a class 2 trail for a ways, until you get down into the bottom of a canyon. You'll know it when you get there, by the large cottonwoods in it. Turn right up the canyon and keep an eye out for a wash on the right...this will take you to Bumble Bee Creek trail. The sandy wash turns into a narrow slot w/ a decent sized waterfall that you need to scramble up. If there's water in the creek, things will get slick. From there you just have to pick your way through the obstacles. The trail will eventually exit to the right and will take to back to the main trail.
Bumble Bee Creek is a relatively short but very challenging trail. Lockers (front and rear) and at least 33's are highly recommended.
The trail starts just south of Bumble Bee (FR684), and follows a class 2 trail for a ways, until you get down into the bottom of a canyon. You'll know it when you get there, by the large cottonwoods in it. Turn right up the canyon and keep an eye out for a wash on the right...this will take you to Bumble Bee Creek trail.
The sandy wash turns into a narrow slot w/ a decent sized waterfall that you need to scramble up. If there's water in the creek, things will get slick. From there you just have to pick your way through the obstacles. The trail will eventually exit to the right and will take to back to the main trail.
Remember to bring your Camera and Water.
Enjoy and remember to TREAD Lightly!
Click Here To Add Your Name to the List or For More Information
Thank You,
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18427 From: Pete Wirch <wirch@m...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 2:11pm
Subject: FOR SALE
Well, I was thinking again which always causes me problems. My TJ is no
longer a candidate for a family vehicle ever again so I'm doing some
conversions to it. Part of these conversions is making a new tire mount on
top of an diamond plate tonneau cover so I don't plan on using my swing out
anymore. And so, the following is for sale to get a little money for the
new mods to be done. E-mail me with any questions or give me a call at home
(480)539-8827. Prices can be a little flexible. There are some more pics
on my web site under 'Stuff I've Built'. http://www.wirch.2y.net:61000
Item:
Airtight rear bumper w/ swing out tire carrier and pintle hitch with 2" ball
$300
http://www.wirch.2y.net:61000/Fab/Swing_Out_7.jpg
Airtight front bumper with integrated winch mount $200 obo
http://www.wirch.2y.net:61000/Fab/Front_Bumper_3.JPG
Cloth rear seat from a 99 TJ Sport with 2 10" Rockford Fosgate subs in a
custom built box $300 obo
http://www.wirch.2y.net:61000/Fab/Subs_9.JPG
http://www.wirch.2y.net:61000/Fab/Subs_5.JPG
Thanks,
Pete
18428 From: <joey@j...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 2:26pm
Subject: Old Poll revised to say YJ for the Track Bar question.
Ok. I guess it is a mostly YJ specific question. So I revised the
poll to be specific for a YJ Jeep.
Enter your vote today! A new poll has been created for the az_vjc
group:
Does your YJ Jeep run full time with a Track Bar?
o Both Track Bars on
o Both Track Bars Removed
o Just Front Track Bar on
o Just Rear Track Bar on
o Remove Just for Trails
To vote, please visit the following web page:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/az_vjc/polls
Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are not
collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups web
site listed above.
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18429 From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 2:48pm
Subject: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
Hey All,
Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im itching to
go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them is having
surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes under the
knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for the
weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I live in
Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
Brian Harmon
88 XJ, 6.5" RE lift, arb rear, gearless front, 33X9.5 bigO xt's.etc.
Http://www.cherokee-nation.com
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18430 From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 2:56pm
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilize or Not to Stabilize?
I going to suggest that the Chevy improving bumpsteer, etc by having a stabilizer is
true. The steering geometry is TOTALLY different than a CJ/YJ/etc in how the "drag
link" on the Chevy is really short and is very different. Chevy's (straight axled
versions) are notorious for bump steer with lifts and needing the stabilizer to
help. I think this is why it is needed.
Just a side note to all who replied. A lot of you are replying just to me. Be sure
your posts are also being sent to the list. This is all really good stuff that
everyone should learn from. Be sure to hit "reply all", rather than "reply" because
just the reply will reply to the sender only. And when you hit "reply all" be sure
to remove the sender from the distribution list. This way the sender doesn't get a
copy from you and a duplicate copy from the list. We get enough email already
without the duplicates. Thanks.....
--
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http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
18431 From: <Jeepguy@z...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 3:12pm
Subject: confused
Okay I am getting a little confused here. Where are the track bars
and what do they do?? I helped my buddy put an adjustible trackbar on
his bronco after he lifted it, and it had to do with steering
correct? I remember trying to get the front end pointing the same way
as the tires (LOL) so what does disco-ing the track bar do?? I have
JKS swaybar discos and I get a LOT of flex. Okay last question... any
adverse effects from removing the rear swaybar?? -Rob
18432 From: <jeffm@d...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 4:27pm
Subject: Jeep Dana20 with Bronco Dana20 gears?
Hey all--
Anyone here done the tcase gear swap from a Bronco Dana20 to a Jeep
Dana20? I've got a 2.05:1 low range D20 from a 77 CJ7 that I would
like to do a lower-range conversion on. What exact parts do I need?
I can't justify spending the ludicrous $$ for the TeraLow conversion
to only give my tcase a 3.15:1 reduction. Besides, I don't need gold-
plated gears :)
I replaced my D18 with a D20 tcase so I've got all of my 18's gears,
but when I tried to swap them in, the gears wouldn't mesh properly,
so I figured I'd wait and do it some other time.
Also, what low range gear ratio does the bronco swap give? I
remember something like 3.15:1 or 3.65:1 but I can't remember. Any
help here would be great.
Jeff
18433 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 4:35pm
Subject: RE: New poll for az_vjc
I suppose it is possible for some TJ owners to run without trac bars, (I do
not know any) but doing so would seriously risk damage to the control arms
since all lateral stress would be put on them, a task for which they are not
designed. (Unless I don't fully understand that part of the TJ's suspension
system.)
In my opinion, gathering this data without qualifying what Jeep it is
associated with would render data that means nothing (or at least it would
mean nothing to me). Maybe I am missing something here?
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: Daver [mailto:daver@c...]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 08:31
>To: az_vjc@yahoogroups.com
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] New poll for az_vjc
>
>
>az_vjc@yahoogroups.com wrote:
>> Does you Jeep run full time with a
>> Track Bar?
>>
>> o Both Track Bars on
>> o Both Track Bars Removed
>> o Just Front Track Bar on
>> o Just Rear Track Bar on
>> o Remove Just for Trails
>
>Incidently, whetherl you have a YJ, TJ, CJ, or whatever would make a big
>difference in this question, I believe.
>
>For the record, my YJ lost it's rear trackbar and also the swaybar in
>front. The front trackbar, however, is held on with a tine pin, removed
>and tied up for trails.
>
>
>
>
18434 From: LarryM <jeeperaz@q...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 4:35pm
Subject: Re: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
Im itching to go out as well. Looks like I will have to fly to London the
following weekend so I need to get in some trail time before then.
Raw Deal?
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Harmon <xjnation@h...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:48 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
> Hey All,
>
> Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im itching to
> go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them is
having
> surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes under the
> knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for the
> weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I live
in
> Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
>
> Brian Harmon
> 88 XJ, 6.5" RE lift, arb rear, gearless front, 33X9.5 bigO xt's.etc.
>
> Http://www.cherokee-nation.com
>
>
>
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18435 From: <monosyllabicguy@w...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 4:45pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Dana20 with Bronco Dana20 gears?
Jeff,
the Bronco Dana20 low range is only 2.46:1. from what i hear the swap isnt a completely cheap one. id guess at around $400 in aquiring the parts unless you already have a Bronco Dana20. the Teralow gears will give you very close to the same reduction as their 4:1 gears for a Dana300 or the NP231. this is probably the way i will eventually go someday when i win the lotto. another option you have is to look for a Dana300 from a 1980 scout. this case has a 2.62:1 low range and will accept 4:1 gears. it also has the same bolt pattern as the Dana20 so it would be a bolt in swap. the downside is they only made these for one year, 1980, so if you find one you will probably have to pay about $500 to get it.
by the way, your Dana18 gears are most likely 2.46:1 just like the Bronco Dana20.
hope this helps
Joey
--- In az_vjc@y..., jeffm@d... wrote:
> Hey all--
>
> Anyone here done the tcase gear swap from a Bronco Dana20 to a Jeep
> Dana20? I've got a 2.05:1 low range D20 from a 77 CJ7 that I would
> like to do a lower-range conversion on. What exact parts do I need?
> I can't justify spending the ludicrous $$ for the TeraLow conversion
> to only give my tcase a 3.15:1 reduction. Besides, I don't need gold-
> plated gears :)
>
> I replaced my D18 with a D20 tcase so I've got all of my 18's gears,
> but when I tried to swap them in, the gears wouldn't mesh properly,
> so I figured I'd wait and do it some other time.
>
> Also, what low range gear ratio does the bronco swap give? I
> remember something like 3.15:1 or 3.65:1 but I can't remember. Any
> help here would be great.
>
> Jeff
18436 From: Jesus Chio - Alloffroad.com <jchio@a...>
Date: Thu Feb 8, 2001 4:52pm
Subject: Re: Jeep Dana20 with Bronco Dana20 gears?
I have a D20 with those gears, need EB D20 gears, D18 or T18 not sure output
parts, I paid $600 for labor and parts.
Its nice with a 2.47:1 or 2.46:1
EB D20 Is not cheap, $200 and up, D18 is rare. I have one ;)
Jesus Chio
Chief Editor
http://www.alloffroad.com
Free webpages:
http://signup.alloffroad.com
----- Original Message -----
From: <jeffm@d...>
To: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:27 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] Jeep Dana20 with Bronco Dana20 gears?
> Hey all--
>
> Anyone here done the tcase gear swap from a Bronco Dana20 to a Jeep
> Dana20? I've got a 2.05:1 low range D20 from a 77 CJ7 that I would
> like to do a lower-range conversion on. What exact parts do I need?
> I can't justify spending the ludicrous $$ for the TeraLow conversion
> to only give my tcase a 3.15:1 reduction. Besides, I don't need gold-
> plated gears :)
>
> I replaced my D18 with a D20 tcase so I've got all of my 18's gears,
> but when I tried to swap them in, the gears wouldn't mesh properly,
> so I figured I'd wait and do it some other time.
>
> Also, what low range gear ratio does the bronco swap give? I
> remember something like 3.15:1 or 3.65:1 but I can't remember. Any
> help here would be great.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
18437 From: Greg Stapley <love24wheel@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 5:09pm
Subject: Re: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
apeerantly at 9:30 at table mesa rd they have a bumble bee run.. I might go.. we'll see
>From: "LarryM"
>Reply-To: "LarryM"
>To: "Brian Harmon" ,
>Subject: Re: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
>Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2001 17:35:18 -0700
>
>Im itching to go out as well. Looks like I will have to fly to London the
>following weekend so I need to get in some trail time before then.
>
>Raw Deal?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Brian Harmon
>To:
>Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 3:48 PM
>Subject: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
>
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im itching to
> > go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them is
>having
> > surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes under the
> > knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for the
> > weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I live
>in
> > Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
> >
> > Brian Harmon
> > 88 XJ, 6.5" RE lift, arb rear, gearless front, 33X9.5 bigO xt's.etc.
> >
> > Http://www.cherokee-nation.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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18438 From: Rollie kent <jeeprkl@h...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 5:20pm
Subject: BFG's rock crawling
Has anyone heard about a rock crawling contest in Johnson Valley?
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18439 From: Keith - ALLOFFROAD.COM <crusari@p...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 5:27pm
Subject: Re: BFG's rock crawling
Johson Valley ARCA february 15-17
10.5 hour drive from here :)
Keith Auble - editor
WWW.ALLOFFROAD.COM
----- Original Message -----
From: Rollie kent
To: egroupII ; jeepsonline@egroups.com ; yjwrangler@egroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 6:20 PM
Subject: [az_vjc] BFG's rock crawling
Has anyone heard about a rock crawling contest in Johnson Valley?
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18440 From: ebnhils <ebnhils@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 5:47pm
Subject: Re: Steering Stabilize or Not to Stabilize?
I have a SOA YJ with no track bars and no steering stabilizer. Removing the
track bars was the first thing that I did when I got my Jeep. I my opinion a
leaf sprung Jeep does not need a track bar, never felt any diffrence. I
don't think that removing the track bar could make rolling any easier.
About 3 mounths ago I bent my stabilizer and took it off, I can not feel any
diffreance at all. I have even driven up to 65 mph on a dirt road with the
sway bar disconnected and the 33's down to 10 psi and no diffreance. Just my
observations.
Eben
92 SOA YJ 33's
----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Eller <jay@t...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 9:26 AM
Subject: [az_vjc] Steering Stabilize or Not to Stabilize?
> OK! I'd like to discuss the virtues of a steering stabilizer when
> SPECIFICALLY used on a leaf sprung vehicle (CJ7, CJ5, YJ, etc). I've run
one
> for many years on my CJ, thinking it was necessarily. Recently I upgraded
my
> tie rod to something that is twice as big in diameter, thereby nullifying
the
> brackets that I used for my stabilizer. On the suggestion of a friend who
> said to remove it and never run it again, I did just that. Believe it or
not,
> I see absolutely no difference. I've run it up to 70 mph and nothing. I
am
> also SOA and run 33's. My friend who suggested has not run one for at
least 5
> years and has never noticed any issues. He too is SOA with 35's. Has
anyone
> else noticed this or run without one with no ill effects?
>
> I understand the importance of one on a coil sprung vehicle, so I'm not
> discussing that here (as well as the personal stories of one making a
> difference on their vehicles). Only the use of one on a leaf sprung
vehicle.
> --
> ----------------------------
> Jay Eller
> http://www.goodnet.com/~eller
>
>
>
>
>
>
18441 From: AzVJC Website <azvjc@a...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 6:06pm
Subject: [TR] El Oso Mine - Saturday, February 10, 2001
Hello All,
This is an automated message from the website, please do not reply to it!
Jake is leading an El Oso Mine trail run on Saturday, February 10, 2001.
When: Sat 2/10
Where: El Oso Mine/4 Peaks Area
Rating: 3.0
Length: 3-5 hrs
CB Channel: 4
Meet at the Restroom area on the 4 Peaks Road (About a mile off the Beeline) at 10am. Never been to the Mine so if anyone has, please let me know!
El Oso trail is the old ridge trail that runs north along the ridge line from Four Peaks. It goes to the El Oso mine and another mine. It's been replaced by a main trail that runs to the west of El Oso. The E.O. trail parallels this newer (easier) trail along the eastern slope of the ridge line, and rejoins this trail...which will take you to Edwards Park (nice Camp area). Generally a class 3 trail that doesn't get used all that much any more....but it's a great trail to do. You'll be treated to beautiful views set in mixed pines and oak forests.
Click Here To Add Your Name to the List or For More Information
Thank You,
- The AzVJC Website
18442 From: Stu Olson <solson8@q...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 6:13pm
Subject: FS: mtn bike rack for 2" hitch
About a month ago, I responded to a member's post. He indicated he wanted
my Hollywood 2" receiver rack. Another member also expressed an interest.
The first gent did not come through so it is once again up for grabs, and I
don't have the e-mail from the 2nd person. It is able to clear a rear
mounted spare, such as on a TJ's rear tire carrier or the factory carrier on
my XJ. Pivots down to clear the lift gate on my XJ.
Virtually brand new. Easily holds 3 bikes (designed for 4 if you can make
them fit).
Stu
Stu Olson N7QJP
Phoenix, AZ
http://www.stu-offroad.com
http://www.users.uswest.net/~solson8
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18443 From: Russell Gevarter <gev39@y...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 6:16pm
Subject: Re: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
I'll be around, Im always up for table mesa runs...
Russell
Brian Harmon wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im itching to
> go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them is having
> surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes under the
> knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for the
> weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I live in
> Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
>
> Brian Harmon
> 88 XJ, 6.5" RE lift, arb rear, gearless front, 33X9.5 bigO xt's.etc.
>
> Http://www.cherokee-nation.com
>
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18444 From: Lon Robinson <lrobinson@e...>
Date: Wed Feb 7, 2001 6:32pm
Subject: Re: anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
Check the "trips" section on the website, there is a Turkey Creek run
planned for Sunday.
Lon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Russell Gevarter" <gev39@y...>
To: "Brian Harmon" <xjnation@h...>
Cc: <az_vjc@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2001 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [az_vjc] anyone doing a run around table mesa this weekend?
> I'll be around, Im always up for table mesa runs...
> Russell
>
> Brian Harmon wrote:
>
> > Hey All,
> >
> > Its been a while since Ive been on a trail with you guys and Im itching
to
> > go...I also have a few friends that wish to go with me one of them is
having
> > surgey next week and wants to have a little fun before she goes under
the
> > knife....I am fixing the front axle this week and will be ready for the
> > weekend. Saturday or sunday would be fine...table mesa area since I
live in
> > Flagstaff, the florence area is kinda far.
> >
> > Brian Harmon
> > 88 XJ, 6.5" RE lift, arb rear, gearless front, 33X9.5 bigO xt's.etc.
> >
> > Http://www.cherokee-nation.com
> >
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